7850 vs current nvidia offerings

[skipsneeky2]

Looking to purchase perhaps a 7850,from what i am getting at it appears to be as fast as a gtx560ti if not faster,while sporting 2gb of vram making it the only logical choice,besides maybe the 560ti 448 core.

Having recently traded my old reference 7970 for a notebook as i really needed one and came up good on the deal,i decided its replacement has to be much cooler,quieter,and that can play BF3 on 1080p high settings,while not being as hot or as loud as the 7970 or even close.

I may try a msi twin frozer model of a 7850 or 560ti 448,but as far as i know when it comes to cool and quiet,a msi twin frozer 7850 may be hard to beat when it comes to performance and noise.

So what you guys think?Is the 7850 the next best thing since sliced bread for my cool and quiet gaming needs?:biggrin:

 

[Jaydip]

Yeah go for 7850 now or wait for the NV refresh.But it can be a long wait.I like the ASUS Direct CU II cards but that's a personal preference.

 

[Olikan]

So what you guys think?Is the 7850 the next best thing since sliced bread for my cool and quiet gaming needs?:biggrin:

the 7850 can be overclocked and beat anything, besides kepler, that nvidia have now

 

[flexy]

The 7850 would save so much power, you could buy a new card every 2 years just from the power savings over a GTX 570 or 580. Ok..kidding...but the 7850 *is* a great card.

 

[Zebo]

Only card I'd get over 7850 is GTX 448 classfied ultra for $239 at new egg. It beats a 7870 out of the box and is built like a tank, lifetime warranty, with evgas trade if you don't like it or want better when 670s come you can exchange. It's problem is it uses like 120W more.



Here is a slower version of it reviewed. "ultra" version being clocked even higher!
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/36565-evga-geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-classified/?page=6

 

[flexy]

That 560 EVGA Classified is €(!)260 here, don't forget it also has only 1.25GB ram. Seeing the significant 120W more power consumption, you would have a hard time selling me that card. I am also pretty sure that the 670/670TI coming in May might be around in the same price range +/-. While i am otherwise not really "against" the 448 cards, i think it would make sense to hold out and simply wait for May to see what else is coming.

I am also basically having the trigger on the "buy" button on the 7850s right now...but i have to force myself just to wait for the mid-range Keplers. There are just some things which might want me to get Nvidia (3D Vision/Cuda) and slightly better drivers..otherwise the 7850 is worth to get it alone for the "tweak factor", overclocking, reduced power consumption etc.etc..

AMD just did such a great job with their current ones..i really think Nvidia has to learn from them. Smaller cards, less noise, much less power consumption..is just so much more attractive.

 

[Zebo]

Yeah but classified ultra, faster, at newegg and only $239 dollars, and with trade up so you can play now and get 670s in exchange when they come. Get better performance now with no worries about future since you have upgrade options.

If you're in europe I have no idea about pricing and performance. Hard enough to keep up here.

That classified ultra 448 was $90 more just two weeks ago.

 

[Arzachel]

Only card I'd get over 7850 is GTX 448 classfied ultra for $239 at new egg. It beats a 7870 out of the box and is built like a tank, lifetime warranty, with evgas trade if you don't like it or want better when 670s come you can exchange. It's problem is it uses like 120W more.



Here is a slower version of it reviewed. "ultra" version being clocked even higher!
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/36565-evga-geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-classified/?page=6

If you're not going to overclock, this is a great deal, but it's noisier, hotter and pulls much more power. When you can get a 7850 for the same money that overclocks up to around the same level on stock volts while still beating that 560 Ti 448 on power/heat/noise and while having more headroom to spare, I can only recommend it to people who really, really don't want to move the slider that says "core clocks"

 

[skipsneeky2]

That 560 EVGA Classified is €(!)260 here, don't forget it also has only 1.25GB ram. Seeing the significant 120W more power consumption, you would have a hard time selling me that card. I am also pretty sure that the 670/670TI coming in May might be around in the same price range +/-. While i am otherwise not really "against" the 448 cards, i think it would make sense to hold out and simply wait for May to see what else is coming.

I am also basically having the trigger on the "buy" button on the 7850s right now...but i have to force myself just to wait for the mid-range Keplers. There are just some things which might want me to get Nvidia (3D Vision/Cuda) and slightly better drivers..otherwise the 7850 is worth to get it alone for the "tweak factor", overclocking, reduced power consumption etc.etc..

AMD just did such a great job with their current ones..i really think Nvidia has to learn from them. Smaller cards, less noise, much less power consumption..is just so much more attractive.

Yeah the gtx560ti 448 does look pretty terrible when you mention how much power it can use,also it lacking a bit of memory compared to the 7850.

Main focus of the purchase is the lowest amount of wattage and quiet computing/gaming ,and the 7850 does look hard to beat.

Yeah the time of purchase will be more then likely the 3rd week of May just to give nvidia time to release any other cards,by then its their offerings or the 7850 for certain.

 

[Ieat]

I got in on the deal for the evga gtx 560 448 at Amazon for $190AR 2 weeks ago. Running 2 in sli and at that price they are awesome. But yeah at roughly the same price I would go for a 7850.

 

[Zebo]

You can OC 448 too. I see them get 950-1050Mhz all the time which will destroy whatever OC (about 1250max) you get from 7850. Power is issue that's it every other way 448 is better. Warranty nV features upgrade.

Ram? performance speaks for itself beating 2GB 7870 let alone 7850.


If it wasnt that particular 448, evga classfied ultra for $239, I'd go 7850 though. It's just that card is guaranteed high performance no ocing crap shoot, and has upgarde/lifetime.

Waiting is the best idea right now since nV has no 28nm competition in budget range so AMD can charge higher. Plus I'd want to see what they bring power/performance/prise wise to table.

 

[Arzachel]

You can OC 448 too. I see them get 950-1050Mhz all the time which will destroy whatever OC (about 1250max) you get from 7850. Power is issue that's it every other way 448 is better. Warranty nV features upgrade.

Ram? performance speaks for itself beating 2GB 7870 let alone 7850.

... that's on water. With a 5.2ghz 2500k. You're saying that a 1250 core 7850(~45% oc, which isn't even the highest people have reached on air) is worse than a 560Ti 448 at 1000 core(~36% oc, haven't seen anyone hit that on air though)? A stock 7850 beats a stock 560Ti 448 and GCN scales as well as Fermi, if not better, with clocks. ...Are you sure?

 

[Zebo]

... that's on water. With a 5.2ghz 2500k. You're saying that a 1250 core 7850(~45% oc, which isn't even the highest people have reached on air) is worse than a 560Ti 448 at 1000 core(~36% oc, haven't seen anyone hit that on air though)? A stock 7850 beats a stock 560Ti 448 and GCN scales as well as Fermi, if not better, with clocks. ...Are you sure?

Yes and Yes. http://www.overclock.net/t/1180276/gtx-560-ti-448-core-oc-clubGCN doesn't scale as well either has lower IPC that's why a that classfied ultra can beat 7870 despite being clocked 200Mhz lessor. Adding 200mhz to thermi is more signifigant than 200 to GCN.

 

[Arzachel]

Yes and Yes. http://www.overclock.net/t/1180276/gtx-560-ti-448-core-oc-club

You linked a 200+ page thread with a first page that has worse results than an oc'ed 7850 gets. You're really not helping your case. Good thing I already searched for anyone getting 1ghz core on air (nope, not can't find even one) and I found comparison with the same processor(2500k oc'ed to 4.2ghz):
560ti 448@950mhz
7850@1290mhz

 

[Ieat]

A stock 7850 beats a stock 560Ti 448 and GCN scales as well as Fermi, if not better, with clocks. ...Are you sure?

Hold up when did a stock 7850 start beating a stock gtx 560 448?

gtx 560 448 = gtx 480

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_560_Ti_448_Cores_DirectCU_II/27.html

7850 8% slower then gtx 480

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/26.html

 

[Zebo]

You linked a 200+ page thread with a first page that has worse results than an oc'ed 7850 gets. You're really not helping your case. Good thing I already searched for anyone getting 1ghz core on air (nope, not can't find even one) and I found comparison with the same processor(2500k oc'ed to 4.2ghz):
560ti 448@950mhz
7850@1290mhz

That's done one air? Never seen a 7850 get much past 1200 on air. Read the thread 950 is common on air. Which beats 1200 7850 and above 1Ghz is not so rare.

 

[Arzachel]

Hold up when did a stock 7850 start beating a stock gtx 560 448?

gtx 560 448 = gtx 480

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_560_Ti_448_Cores_DirectCU_II/27.html

7850 8% slower then gtx 480

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/26.html

The 7850 is slightly slower than the GTX570 as per the Anandtech review, Losing in Dirt 3, BF3 and Batman while wining in Civ 5, rest is about even. The GTX560ti 448 performs worse than the GTX570. AS for why the total score is so low in techpowerup's review, check the Dragon Age 2 benches. I'm guessing it's a driver issue.

 

[Arzachel]

That's done one air? Never seen a 7850 get much past 1200 on air. Read the thread 950 is common on air. Which beats 1200 7850 and above 1Ghz is not so rare.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18389760
Yes, that's on air. On a reference card with the stock cooler. Someone also did a 1325 core, but he had a stock 2500k. Can you link any 1ghz core 560ti 448's on air? Dug a bit through google but failed to find any and the 200 page thread is a bit too much for me

 

[Zebo]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18389760
Yes, that's on air. On a reference card with the stock cooler. Someone also did a 1320, but he had a stock 2500k.

What ever these two ppgs speak for themselves. 448 averages way higher than 7850

http://3dmark.com/search?resultTypeId=232&linkedDisplayAdapters=1&cpuModelId=0&chipsetId=757

http://3dmark.com/search?resultTypeId=232&linkedDisplayAdapters=1&cpuModelId=0&chipsetId=764

I don't take one sample as the rule.

 

[Zebo]

Hold up when did a stock 7850 start beating a stock gtx 560 448?

gtx 560 448 = gtx 480

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_560_Ti_448_Cores_DirectCU_II/27.html

7850 8% slower then gtx 480

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/26.html

7850 is the best bang for the buck overall because of sucking pwr of thermi, but you asked about nVs offerings. Can't go wrong with 448 or 7850.

 

[Arzachel]

What ever these two ppgs speak for themselves. 448 averages way higher than 7850

http://3dmark.com/search?resultTypeId=232&linkedDisplayAdapters=1&cpuModelId=0&chipsetId=757

http://3dmark.com/search?resultTypeId=232&linkedDisplayAdapters=1&cpuModelId=0&chipsetId=764

I don't take one sample as the rule.

Eh, here's a thread(mostly 7870's though) with more people hitting >1200mhz core clocks but when you're comparing guys with water cooling setups to people oc'ing on air I guess no amount of reason will change your opinion.

 

[jacktesterson]

mine is running just fine. Benches faster than a stock 7950 using a tiny .15v increase.

Runs cool, sips power... and can outperform a GTX 580 for $200 ish.

Best bang for buck, which is what I'm all about.

 

[skipsneeky2]

mine is running just fine. Benches faster than a stock 7950 using a tiny .15v increase.

Runs cool, sips power... and can outperform a GTX 580 for $200 ish.

Best bang for buck, which is what I'm all about.

That is very good to hear.:biggrin:

Me after dealing with that hot loud 7970,i am looking for a quiet eco friendly card with bang for buck and sips power,perhaps wowing me in both departments like the 8800gts 512mb from evga did back in December of 2007.

As we speak,i got that very 8800gts i purchased in December of 2007 as my back up gaming card and even at 100% fanspeed,the card is quiet,but kinda hot,so hoping a twin frozr 7850 or even your version of the 7850 blows me away,but gonna wait till about the end of May,see if nvidia pulls a rabbit out of the hat with a gtx660ti or something first which i doubt as i haven't even as much have heard a rumor of any other nvidia card in the lineup coming out yet.

What are your average load temperatures with your oc at what fan speed?

 

[jacktesterson]

I have a Defined fan setting. It runs at 35% up to 70 degrees, then kicks in to 75%.

It rarely ever kicks in while gaming, and if it does, its for a minute tops.

Idles in low 30's, load in low 60's

at 35% I can't hear the GPU over my case fans

 

[kalrith]

If you're looking for cool and quiet (which the OP is), then the 7850 is the best choice.

If you're going to OC (which I am), then IMO the 7850 is the best choice.

If you're not going to OC and you don't care about how much power the card uses, then there are probably better choices out there especially in the used market.