The whole SM3 thing is overrated. Last gen all the Nv fanboys were chanting "you need SM3!" and now I hear "Meh, if it doesnt work, the developers will find a way around it" Well, we've seen developers find a way to do HDR, HDR + AA, soft shadows, with or without SM3. And now in a modern game like FEAR, you cant even use AA with soft shadows, because otherwise the performance on the latest and greatest cards would be abysmal (or at least certain latest cards). And forget about eye candy on the gf6 series, despite the SM3 support. I'd like to see how the final version of COD2 runs, as well as Unreal 3. I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of ppl started upgrading to the gf8 as soon as it's available because the gf7 would already run these games like a$$. History has once again been repeated when the first generation of cards to use some new feature are now obsolete when the feature actually becomes widely used in games.
WhoBeDaPlaya
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I'm just switching over to PCI-E. Getting a 6600GT, hunkering down and waiting for all the BS to blow over 
Gamingphreek
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What. A 1600XT never comes within a far cry of the 7800GTX. I have no clue what they are talking about there. There is ZERO competition between the X1600XT and any of the high end cards. THe 7800GT even trumps the X1800XL. Methinks you are misinterpreting it M0RPH.
SM3 has nothing to do with HDR (and vice versa). HDR can only be done with AA in a non FP Blending (OpenEXR) environment. In otherwords neither card can do AA and HDR in Far CRy, but HL2 Lost Coast uses a different method that is somewhat lower quality, but can be used with AA.
Actually OpenEXR can use AA, its just the way the hardware was designed for the 6800 and 7800 that the FP buffer was at the end of the pipeline which is after AA is applied.
You might have stated your "opinion" that both fail the DCT test but the article YOU linked to claims only 7800GTX failing the test. So for the third time, until someone confirms that X1800 also fails the same test, dont try to jump to any conclusions.Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: crazydingo
Vertex texture fetch is optional. I think you should look up the word optional at dictionary.com
If that feature is present in the DCT then fair and square, it fails. Until that is proven (by Fuad or some one else) why dont YOU give it a rest. (and stop jumping on me?)
Ya see, the thing is I started this thread stating both camps fail the test. But that is not good enough for you. And I don't think it will ever be good enough. You are totally one sided and really do not display a willingness to actually discuss this stuff. Am I wrong? If so, please tell me why. Thanks.
Clueless again? Just like when I posted the IQ links leading to [ H ] and you conveniently avoided that thread from then on.
Hey look crazy dingo crapping in another thread...Fowl animal you are....I can just go around and follow your stench and see you offer nothing to the forums...
Yes that is right the impotence of the mods to take care of chronic crappers like yourself means the thread stickied above means "dingo crap"....very sad indeed
Can you try once or twice in a day to contribute to the forum???
Yes that is right the impotence of the mods to take care of chronic crappers like yourself means the thread stickied above means "dingo crap"....very sad indeed
Can you try once or twice in a day to contribute to the forum???
Quoted for posterity. Do you think you're contributing anything beneficial here? Try looking at your own posts before you talk about someone else.
I contribute more in 2 hours in here and cpu forum then you have contributed in weeks...Since personal attacks are no longer frowned upon I can call you as I see you...Trolls, troublemakers, a55hats, etc...
Cookie Monster
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The inquirer:
THEO PUBLISHED SOME SM3 tests the other day to check out an ATI claim about NVidia's compliance or lack thereof on current cards. You can read the original article here. NVidia was obviously a little peeved by this, and issued the following response:
The current debate over WHQL waivers and SM3 compliance forces us to take a public stance regarding these issues. Microsoft is the ultimate judge of pass/fail for a particular hardware/software combination. NVIDIA hardware passes WHQL as judged by Microsoft, and fully supports all the features of SM3. Other hardware also passes WHQL for SM3, while not necessarily fully supporting all of the SM3 features.
When a vendor fails to implement a required feature (such as Vertex Texture),
typically Microsoft would either fail to certify the hardware/driver, or issue a waiver for the lack of the feature. We would not expect tests to be changed or the interpretation of the DirectX specification to be changed.
A failure in a WHQL DCT test is by itself not an indication of hardware or driver flaws. There can be several causes for this, including test errors, and hardware mismatches with refrast (the Microsoft software reference rasterizer). A mismatch with refrast can be due to the hardware producing superior, inferior, or simply different images than refrast.
WHQL failures and errata by themselves are a poor and inaccurate indication of Windows and DirectX compliance. Microsoft is the sole arbiter of WHQL passage, and further questions on this topic should be directed to Dean Lester.
We agree with this argument. Pass/Fail on these tests have one judge, Microsoft. It made the spec, it made the tests, and it grades you.
The rules may be a bit obtuse, and I can almost guarantee that no one outside of the industry fully understands the problems involved, but there is indeed a process. Nvidia passed and got the driver equivalent of a gold star an a pat on the head.
The graphics industry is one of those segments that makes the Intel/AMD shenanigans look like a bunch of nine year old girls in Sunday dresses having a tea party
Press releases, clandestine powerpoints, and late night phone calls are all part of this world. They are soon followed by counter press releases, counter clandestine powerpoints and counter late night phone calls. This is all in the name of PR, and until Microsoft says NVDA did not pass, it ends at PR. Damn interesting though. µ
Insults in the only language you know, cant converse in any other form. :roll:Instead of contributing to the topic, you attack me.
I simply asked for confirmation of X1K series failing the DCT test.
No it is called sinking down to yours and M0RPHs level of thread crapping, that the MODs have evidently said is fine...
Which isnt anything different from your normal self! Look in the mirror, you havent "contributed" anything here. :laugh:
Back on topic.
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