7800 GT/GTX AGP, where are you already
- Thread starter wkinney
- Start date
I find it hard to believe...just like AMD stopped putting our s754 derivatives of its s939 line, and Intel stopped s478 versions of its s775 line. They want to push the new technology.
I dont think they even announced the AGP version of these..
the older news http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24391
the older news http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24391
Farmer
Diamond Member
- Dec 23, 2003
- 3,334
- 2
- 81
AGP is already old and dead? I don't think so, not yet at least. More than half the people in the computer world still use computers with *only* an AGP slot. Also be reminded that most users who could buy a 7800GT/GTX PCI-E to use already have graphics cards that are newer than since PCI-E became mainstream (i.e., 6800, X8--).
But yes, since most all new motherboards are shipping with PCI-E, AGP will die out. You'll have to look at the statistics for that one.
How many of these super-high-end cards do you think the graphics card makers sell to builders like Dell or Alienware?
But yes, since most all new motherboards are shipping with PCI-E, AGP will die out. You'll have to look at the statistics for that one.
How many of these super-high-end cards do you think the graphics card makers sell to builders like Dell or Alienware?
THIS topic is dead and old. There has been no announcement of 7800 Series AGP and probably will not be one.
i dont see why not. i think nvidia could make a lot of money if they released the card. i think their hopes now are to force people to buy a whole new platform, but most people just wont, and buy one of the agp cards from ATi which are really cheap right now.
The question I have is why would you bother paying that much for an AGP card????
I think it would much better serve your needs to upgrade to a PCI-E MOBO and go that direction.
If I read you correctly in saying that AGP is alive and kicking and that OEM manufacturers want AGP cards still, and that people who would buy a 7800GT/GTX already have an AGP card that suffices them??? This is insane.... Let me tell you why:
1. OEM's already use PCI-E in high volume. PCI-E has even been shipping on Dell BUSINESS systems since the GX280 came out (about 6 months ago by now). Much less their dimension line who has had PCI-E boards for almost a year. Alienware ships DUAL SLI PCI-E options already and command a very good price for them. Why would they need an AGP version now. To my knowledge, Dell's lineup consists of almost all PCI-E versions, and any AGP versions of their systems they sell would never even have the option to come configured with an AGP 7800. That is insane, who wants a low end Dell with a 7800 in it?
2. People who bought a 6600/6800 or X800 are the same performance enthusiasts that are going to buy the 7800. Enthusiasts are "enthusiasts" and will pay money to have good equipment to game on. The 6800 was an early adopters card and unless bought recently still is. Early adopters dont tend to hang on to equipment. They sell it and buy better. No early adopting 7800GT/GTX buyer is interested in hanging on to old technology. They clearly are buying the 7800 because they want the latest greatest and fastest technology which sadly AGP isnt. If an AGP version of the 7800 EVER comes out, it will very likely be when the 7800 is really nothing big anymore. I would predict in a little over a year from now.
3. Before you say I am wrong, look around, the manufacturers of these cards already know they dont need to keep making bleeding edge AGP cards. All their roadmaps are pointing to more bandwidth that needs faster bus speed headroom. AGP is going to become like PCI video cards became, old news... Sure they made PCI video cards for a time and still do today, but does any gamer really want a PCI video card? No, the manufacturer's no longer put quality cards in the PCI factor and AGP will be the same.
4. Anyone who would buy a 7800GT/GTX today would also likely buy a PCI-E awesome motherboard with a CPU to match. They want fast computer gaming, otherwise they are just COMPLETELY misled.
I would love to see some good AGP cards coming in the future, but reality is, it isnt going to happen for many reasons. But mostly, not enough people would buy the AGP versions of the cards to make them worthwhile. ATI and NVidia already know this...
They will make the card of course, but it wont sell very well with enthusiasts in mind. ATI knows their bread and butter in the profit margins will be to sell the Crossfire editions which will all need DUAL PCI-E boards. AGP will be a second thought. Also, who knows how long after their actual release of the bridged version will release. Probably enough after they try to force as many people over to their Crossfire series. What is the resistance with PCI-E anyways? A new motherboard? Sheesh they are getting very cheap these days to plop down for a new board that supports all your old stuff, but now has PCI-E. I guess OEM systems will have the biggest issue, but you dont buy OEM systems to be incredibly upgradeable later, this is nothing new. And I'll add something the OEM would rather you not do. They would rather you buy a new system from them, no secret there...
newParadigm
Diamond Member
- Jul 30, 2003
- 3,667
- 1
- 0
That is not what I said...
"ATI knows their bread and butter in the profit margins will be to sell...."
Hard to argue they wouldnt get good profit margins in their high end stuff they sell...
But maybe your asking if I think they will make most of their money in high end sales? It's hard to say because really I dont have ATI's or NVidia's sales figures or their individual project R&D costs as well as production figures. The whole, sell a lot of cheap stuff or sell a little of expensive stuff is hard, where I dont know where their business plan is. I would guess their best money is probably in chipsets, licensing of product to other manufacturers, and OEM lower end cards due to volume sales. None of which come in to play with High End variants like AGP versions of their best cards.
Proof of high end sales pushing their bottom dollar quota. Well I wouldnt say proof is even necessary. If high end sales werent needed for profit, would they even exist???
High end sales push their low end sales further which is no secret in business.
ok, so instead of spending just 400 dollars grabbing a video card, people would rather spend all the extra money on new parts?
Assuming you are talking to me (if not I apologize), that is not my point... My point is that people that buy the 7800GT/GTX (to overdramatize the obvious) are not putting the card in their spanking new AthlonXP system, or if they are, they are going about it the wrong way entirely. The video card should match the system in other words. If you want more power by dropping in the 7800GT/GTX in your Athlon XP2200 system, you are getting a little bit out of balance... A 6600 would have been more than sufficient. See what I mean? By the time that 2200 stops being able to play games, the 7800 will still have head room to grow. Of course I know I am overdramatizing the facts, but just to make my point... There is obviously some grey area. Some people will be on the fence for the upgrade. Likely the OP of the thread in this case, but not where the majority of users are, at least in my experience. Everyone is entitled to disagree by all means...
Why can't you guys understand that AGP is going out?
Same thing happened years ago when PCI was replaced by AGP for high end graphics cards. At first, people were holding on to their PCI cards, or buying new PCI cards saying there was no use in getting agp. Of course, AGP took over fairly rapidly and all the vid card makers went to AGP for their top-of-the-line cards.
Same thing happened years ago when PCI was replaced by AGP for high end graphics cards. At first, people were holding on to their PCI cards, or buying new PCI cards saying there was no use in getting agp. Of course, AGP took over fairly rapidly and all the vid card makers went to AGP for their top-of-the-line cards.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 24K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter