7800 GS superclocked review at Extremetech

[beggerking]

here

"binned" part... umm.. not so comforting..

 

[Corporate Thug]

makes it more tempting, depending on availablity

 

[beggerking]

how is it more tempting?...

you mean unlocking pipelines etc?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: beggerking
here

"binned" part... umm.. not so comforting..

?

bot ATI and Nvidia do this

all them X800GT, GTO, GTO2's were from binned parts, ie parts that didnt make the grade to be X850XT's and the like, admittedly alot of them are just fine, but thats how it works.

7800GT's are simply G70 chips that possibly dont work with all 24pipe lines, so they disable a quad and put it in a lower part.

part binning, speed binning what ever u wanna call it is exactly how they make GPU's for different products.

if an NV40 didnt turn out to run 16 pipes and 400mhz it was put in a 6800GT and not an ultra, if it turned out with only 12 functioning pipes they put it in the 6800NU...etc etc.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: beggerking
how is it more tempting?...

you mean unlocking pipelines etc?

exactly, though nvidia seem to have figured out how to stop people doing it. even though the chips only 16 pipes, the yields on the G70's must be pretty damn good by now, so with reduced heat due to less active pixel pipelines theres potential for these cards to get some serious overclocks.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: beggerking
how is it more tempting?...

you mean unlocking pipelines etc?

exactly, though nvidia seem to have figured out how to stop people doing it. even though the chips only 16 pipes, the yields on the G70's must be pretty damn good by now, so with reduced heat due to less active pixel pipelines theres potential for these cards to get some serious overclocks.

I seriously hope so.. this card is probably the last generation for us AGPers..
Though extremetech makes it sound bad..IMHO

So this is a "binned" part, where Nvidia takes chips that have an error in one or two places on the chip or won't run at full clock speed and disables a couple of pixel shader "quads," a couple of vertex units, and half the ROPs. Then they sell it as a different part, at a greatly reduced price.

 

[RussianSensation]

I just fail to understand 1 point...all AGP users keep saying how 7800GS is important to them because it'll extend the life of their rig. Predicting the future is difficult, but I am willing to wager games will be a lot like COD2 and FEAR for shader use. Then, 7800GS doesn't seem so good for a $300 part, even when it is superoverclocked. Just because it can be faster than X800XT, it still doesn't mean it's a good value for $300. Why not just pick up a used X800Pro/X850Pro/6800GT or something along those lines to hold them over until full overhaul?

 

[v8envy]

Other things to think about: what's the resale value of that card going to be like in a year? I mean, by that point the 7800GS will go from mainstream to budget in terms of relative performance. How many people will still be desperately clinging to their crusty box a year from now?

And I'm just waiting to see what happens when people with 2-3 year old dust-filled aging power supply equipped boxes try to overclock their $300 video cards by 30-50%. Should be fun to watch this forum for the cries for help.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I just fail to understand 1 point...all AGP users keep saying how 7800GS is important to them because it'll extend the life of their rig. Predicting the future is difficult, but I am willing to wager games will be a lot like COD2 and FEAR for shader use. Then, 7800GS doesn't seem so good for a $300 part, even when it is superoverclocked. Just because it can be faster than X800XT, it still doesn't mean it's a good value for $300. Why not just pick up a used X800Pro/X850Pro/6800GT or something along those lines to hold them over until full overhaul?

I was hoping for the price to drop to ~$250 - $200
7800 gets better H.263 decoding support than 6800 series.
SM3.0
and is alot faster in high res with AA/AF turned on.
faster in current games as well as future games than x800 or 6800gs.

and less power consuming than x800 or 6800, runs cooler too

 

[djnsmith7]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: beggerking
here

"binned" part... umm.. not so comforting..

?

bot ATI and Nvidia do this

all them X800GT, GTO, GTO2's were from binned parts, ie parts that didnt make the grade to be X850XT's and the like, admittedly alot of them are just fine, but thats how it works.

7800GT's are simply G70 chips that possibly dont work with all 24pipe lines, so they disable a quad and put it in a lower part.

part binning, speed binning what ever u wanna call it is exactly how they make GPU's for different products.

if an NV40 didnt turn out to run 16 pipes and 400mhz it was put in a 6800GT and not an ultra, if it turned out with only 12 functioning pipes they put it in the 6800NU...etc etc.

AMD & Intel both use a similar process for manufacturing CPU's & achieving the desired speeds...For the most part, they all come off the same wafers & the same depositions...Depending on the testing, some CPU's come out at higher speeds & some at slower...

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: v8envy
Other things to think about: what's the resale value of that card going to be like in a year? I mean, by that point the 7800GS will go from mainstream to budget in terms of relative performance. How many people will still be desperately clinging to their crusty box a year from now?

And I'm just waiting to see what happens when people with 2-3 year old dust-filled aging power supply equipped boxes try to overclock their $300 video cards by 30-50%. Should be fun to watch this forum for the cries for help.

Technology and Resale never go together man.