7600GS or 7800GS?

[foolfromhell]

I have a budget, but might be able to stretch it for a 7800GS.
whats the main difference in performance? Worth $100?

 

[TheRyuu]

By the time you get to the level of the 7800GS, it almost becomes better to upgrade to a cheap PCIe system. You might want to look into a cheap Sck939 system.

 

[foolfromhell]

Originally posted by: wizboy11
By the time you get to the level of the 7800GS.

What do you mean? By the $100, I mean teh difference between the 7600GS and 7800GS was $100

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: foolfromhell

Originally posted by: wizboy11
By the time you get to the level of the 7800GS.

What do you mean? By the $100, I mean teh difference between the 7600GS and 7800GS was $100

I mean for the $$$ you have to lay down for the 7800GS it just isn't worth it. You can get a 7900GT+cheap PCIe mobo for ~same price (maby a little more).

Maby my brain isn't working right, it's 2 in the morning :disgust: me need sleep.....

 

[foolfromhell]

unfortunately, I have Socket 478. Cant upgrade to PCI-E, and my processor may be old, but not at all defunct for gaming even games like Oblivion.
Is the 7800GS same performance as the 7900GT?
Or are there Socket 478 mobos that support PCI-E?
EDIT:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130539
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130046
they are $100+. Maybe there are more?

 

[Sniper82]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127221
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130017

O/c that 3200+ to around 2.2-2.4Ghz(should hit that or better). The 7600GT has a $30 rebate and performs better than the 7600GS. Just a guess but I would say the 7600GT is about on par with the 7800GS if not as fast. I bet you wouldn't see any difference in games.

You could always sell your curent combo once upgrading. Honestly for just what $50-60 more(if you was buying 7800GS) I'd say thats the best option. When games like Crysis,UT2007,ect come the P4(?) will be showing it's age.

 

[fliguy84]

For Oblivion, 7800gs is the best choice. But with conroe coming out soon, you might want to consider upgrading to PCIE

 

[foolfromhell]

I am low on cash, just wanted a better case and new GFX card. Cant afford to switch case+processor+GFX card+mobo
I dont wanna be on the bleeding edge. In about 2 years, I might switch to a better system. Just something to pull through till then

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: foolfromhell
unfortunately, I have Socket 478. Cant upgrade to PCI-E, and my processor may be old, but not at all defunct for gaming even games like Oblivion.
Is the 7800GS same performance as the 7900GT?
Or are there Socket 478 mobos that support PCI-E?
EDIT:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130539
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130046
they are $100+. Maybe there are more?

those won't work with your processor, iirc. they're not pentium 4 boards. they're pentium-m boards, and they're not interchangeable, even if they are the same number of pins.


edit: the 7800GS is $300? OMFG!

get this 7600GT
get this sempron and this board if you've got DDR SDRAM already. overclock the snot out of the processor and it will game just fine.

if you have RDRAM, you'll need to upgrade the ram to DDR2 most likely. that'll require an AM2 sempron and board, or maybe a pentium-d 805 and board. that might blow your budget, except that you'd have a rig that is dual core and has upgradeable ram and video card for probably $75 or so more than the 7800GS. if you factor in that you can sell your old stuff here on FSFT, you might be able to up your budget by that amount anyway.

check out the budget rig article on the main anandtech page for more.

 

[foolfromhell]

The way i see it, I could get a new PCI-E mobo with current processor or get the 7800GS. Is there ABSOLUTELY no mobo that supports my processor AND has PCI-E?

 

[Maxspeed996]

Originally posted by: foolfromhell
The way i see it, I could get a new PCI-E mobo with current processor or get the 7800GS. Is there ABSOLUTELY no mobo that supports my processor AND has PCI-E?

No there is not. I believe Albatron used to make one , but they sold out so fast good luck finding one. I've not even seen one for sale anywhere in like almost a year.

 

[Maxspeed996]

and by the way , the 7800gs is a pimp card for the money. If you don't want to upgrade your 478 socket processor yet. it's a little pricey. But it will extend the life of your machine for at least another year..now when some of the newer games start to come out, you'll see new options that this card won't support...Dx10 being one.
I bought mine , maybe 4-5 months ago. And I'm glad I did , either way , this rig will fall down to my secondary rig when I upgrade this fall or early next year. Either way , $300 for a years worth of use isn't a bad price to pay in my book. But in the long run , we gotta let these 478 socket boards go to the wayside. for the money spent on this card , I think about what I could have gotten in a PCI-x flavor....it still makes me sick. LOL!

 

[foolfromhell]

Guess i should just hold out till I can get a DX10 with Conroe...

 

[schneiderguy]

:Q theres a AGP 7600gs?

 

[EvanAdams]

What is your current setup? It might be wiser to just go the X800 way for now and then do a full upgrade when you have time. The would be less wallet pain now and you'd have better options down the road.

The problem with the 7800gs is you are paying for the privilidge of having the fastest AGP on the market. Thus it is always more financially sound to drop down a level and later on do a full upgrade when DX10, DX10 cards, Conroe, and Vista are available. Don't forget the price you'll have to pay to upgrade to vista in your computations.

 

[foolfromhell]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
:Q theres a AGP 7600gs?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130036
Its gonna come soon.
I dont care bout being on the bleeding edge of AGP cards. I just want to be able to play games like Oblivion with high settings and HDR with at-least 30FPS.

 

[EvanAdams]

Originally posted by: foolfromhell

I dont care bout being on the bleeding edge of AGP cards. I just want to be able to play games like Oblivion with high settings and HDR with at-least 30FPS.

So you do care then about being on the bleeding edge of grafics then.

 

[foolfromhell]

bleeding edge is like dual or quad SLI 7900GTXs or having 4 computers running a beowulf cluster to play games (My friend told me hes seen this). Anyway, I have modded Oblviion to run at 15FPS on a Nvidia 6600 on max settings. a 7800GS will allow me to go to 30-40FPS

 

[zerocool84]

well i just recently got a 7800GS and i think it's great. i upgraded from a 6800nu that i've had for 2 years now so i know i wont upgrade every year. this should hold me over until AM2 goes down in price a little more then i'll get a whole new system

 

[impemonk]

15fps is ridonkulously bad man... Just get the 7800GS since your outlook for upgrading is in about 2 years. Conroe prices would have gone down by then as well as mobos, vid cards, etc.

Also, I take it you're not the person to want to splurge so much money to get the best when it comes out, so with that point taken I say get the 7800GS. Or even that 7600GS when it comes out.

 

[Maxspeed996]

Like I said earlier , I feel like I spent to much money on the card , because it's AGP. But is it worth $300 to tide you over for a while still? (maybe another year?) to me , it was. And it is the fastest AGP card you can find .....well there is one other...but it's not available here in the states....you all know what I'm talkin about....
Get the 7800gs co Superclock , and accept no substitutes.

 

[mobutu]

THIS will be faster than 6600GT, 6800GT on AGP
THIS is what you want:
Leadtek WinFast A7600 GT TDH, 7600GT, AGP 8x, 256MB DDR3, 128-bit, 560 MHz Core Clock, HDTV / Dual link DVI-I/ D-Sub Output, Multi-Display
http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/company/press_2.asp?newsid=138
... and probably a lot cheaper than an 7800GS AGP

It should be out pretty soon.

 

[Auric]

If yer not married to Nvidia then consider an X800 16 pipe model for better bang for the buckaroo. See hot deals as ATI is flogging refurbs on the cheap.

If you don't mind replacing the mobo then consider an Albatron PX915P4C, Asus P4GD1, Asrock P4Dual-915GL, &c. ... imported if necessary... at least the extra cost would be better spent than on an overpriced AGP (and offset by cheaper PCIe) and allow for future viddy upgrades too.

Still doesn't make much sense for the effort involved though, regarless of cost. I would prolly go with a used AGP card until you can afford to replace the mobo with a current generation and sell off the old gear to reduce the difference. Well, actually, I already considered all this awhile back.

 

[mwmorph]

I feel thetre are a bevy of options unexplored here.

Elfenix, the AMD suggestion has merit, but the Sempy is hardly a decent processor, even oced. A Northwood P4, oced is hardly a bad processor, actualyl probably very competitive with a sempy.

Now this si ATI's reigon. ATI has much better choices for AGP. The $300 7800gs is actualyl slightly slower than a cheaper X850XT and probably just slightly faster than a X800XT. If you want New, the X800XT AIW AGP is only $260. It has a tv tuner too.

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=AT-AIW...fd487212e12f8259e0c623c3dd17faaadc8b96

If you want used, a X800xt agp in the for sale/trade forums in good condition is under $200.

Of course you can wait until the comparable 7600gt comes out too, but for this moment in time, ATI is a clear value leader in AGP.

 

[mobutu]

Leadtek 7600GT DDR3:
http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/3d_graphi...rview.asp?pronameid=287&lineid=1&act=1