754's are cheap

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: n7
S754 is more alive than i realized...

You can pretty much justify both platforms

Yes you can. I've recommended both platforms dependent on intended use and budget. Really funny, yet sad to see people blindly insist on socket 939. Example I pulled out of thin air:

NOOB: My mom has a Celeron 900MHz that died. I need a replacement board/CPU/RAM for under $200 shipped. All she does is browse internet and send emails and will use this system as is until it dies again. Any suggestions? I was thinking of a cheap socket 754 board with integrated video, 512MB RAM and a Sempron.

LEET HARDWARE SNOB: Socket 754 suxors!!! Get a socket 939 - make sure you get an Nforce4 chipset.

Originally posted by: Hacp
Heh 2800+ sempron
Nice 754 ocing mobo with pci-e
GTO squared

Equals- Value budget system that roxs.

:thumbsup:

There are a lot of budget options in socket 754-land. Sempron 2500+ can be had for just over $50. Some A64 are still available with more cache and higher multipliers - $129 for 3400+ A64 that runs at 2.4GHz which will outperform a socket 939 3500+ in everything except memory benchmarks. $162 for a 3700+ is also a reasonable value.

Cheap CPUs with $60-or-cheaper Nforce3 overclocking-friendly motherboards plus a $125 Geforce 6800LE (overclocked and pipe-unlocked for near GT performance) will also make a rocking uber-budget gamer.

Originally posted by: Jeeper94

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Are there any good Socket 754 NF4 boards for overclocking?

DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb
Edit: my bad, I just realized you said NF4. I'm not up to speed on S754 NF4 boards.

DFI makes the Infinity series, socket 754 NF4 chipset with overclocking nearly as good as the LANPARTY series (just lacking the extreme memory voltages and such).

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
No dual-channel=Sluggish City USA

Only if you live or die by Sandra memory benchmarks.

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
there is absolutely nothing wrong with socket 754 AMD64 proc's... if your on a budjet and arent a gamer or benchmark junky then you will be fine.

Well, benchmark junky I can understand. Gamer? WTF dude? Gaming is all about the video card. I'm willing to wager that USING THE SAME VIDEO CARD for all intents and purposes of gaming a socket 754 system will perform as well as a socket 939 system for less money.

Video card will be the same/cost the same for whatever card such as 7800GT

Motherboard... overall socket 939 boards tend to cost more, but there are some budget ones. Foxconn makes Nforce4-4X boards in both socket types within about $2 of each other, so let's say they are the same.

CPU... socket 939 3500+ (512k cache, 2.2GHz) is $191. Socket 754 3700+ (1MB cache, 2.4GHz) is $162.

If you compare them unoverclocked and regardless of being "future proof" (which is silly with socket M2 coming out, unless you have that Asrock 939SATA2 board) which platform will score higher in gaming benchmarks? Well, they should be the same since they have the same video card, but the socket 754 is $30 cheaper. Which will score higher in all other benchmarks except memory intensive? The socket 754, at $30 less.

"Future proof?" Socket M2 is coming out, plus many people upgrade motherboards when they upgrade CPUs.

Overclockability? That's the wildcard. It isn't unknown for Venice chips to hit 2.7GHz, but "guaranteed" is more like 2.5GHz. Earlier Newcastles were mostly good for 2.3-2.4GHz, but more recent ones can hit 2.6GHz+ without too much problem. The cheaper Sempron chips should overclock really well except they are limited by their low multiplier.

You know what, socket 754 is budjet but its good. I bet I could not OC a socket 754 chip over 700 Mhz!!!! so whats the better bang for buck? now if your not a overclocker then 754 is fine.

How much you wanna bet??????????

 

[Shenkoa]

How much do you got?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
How much do you got?

You are about to make a sucker bet Shenkoa...it's already been done.

 

[Tarrant64]

Few more cents here...

I'm really stuck on the fact that if you are sticking with a mid-range video card, that AGP or PCI-e will make 'NO' difference. I believe they are still producing high-end AGP cards that perform just the same as PCI-e. So really the only thing lost is upgradeability in the future whether it be X2, or M2, or whatever. Granted, M2 is a whole new socket, right?

754 or 939, whatever you can afford. But you can save a few bucks with a 754 and still perform a few % benchmark wise(doubt there would be any real world difference) behind a 939.

 

[dannybin1742]

i upgraded about 6 months ago from an radeon 9700 pro, AXP barton mobile 2200+ at 2.5ghz to an A64 3200+ (1mb cache, 2ghz, purchased from a user on these forums) not oced and the dfi nf4 250gb MB($120 at the time), and a 6600gt agp and i don't even oc this and its much much faster than my axp, doom 3 plays great, max res on my 19" lcd monitor. i think i may just upgrade the motherboard in a few months to the new epox board that has sli for s754 and just buy 2 6800gt from the fs ft thread here or one 7800gtx

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: n7
S754 is more alive than i realized...

You can pretty much justify both platforms

Yes you can. I've recommended both platforms dependent on intended use and budget. Really funny, yet sad to see people blindly insist on socket 939. Example I pulled out of thin air:

NOOB: My mom has a Celeron 900MHz that died. I need a replacement board/CPU/RAM for under $200 shipped. All she does is browse internet and send emails and will use this system as is until it dies again. Any suggestions? I was thinking of a cheap socket 754 board with integrated video, 512MB RAM and a Sempron.

LEET HARDWARE SNOB: Socket 754 suxors!!! Get a socket 939 - make sure you get an Nforce4 chipset.

Originally posted by: Hacp
Heh 2800+ sempron
Nice 754 ocing mobo with pci-e
GTO squared

Equals- Value budget system that roxs.

:thumbsup:

There are a lot of budget options in socket 754-land. Sempron 2500+ can be had for just over $50. Some A64 are still available with more cache and higher multipliers - $129 for 3400+ A64 that runs at 2.4GHz which will outperform a socket 939 3500+ in everything except memory benchmarks. $162 for a 3700+ is also a reasonable value.

Cheap CPUs with $60-or-cheaper Nforce3 overclocking-friendly motherboards plus a $125 Geforce 6800LE (overclocked and pipe-unlocked for near GT performance) will also make a rocking uber-budget gamer.

Originally posted by: Jeeper94

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Are there any good Socket 754 NF4 boards for overclocking?

DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb
Edit: my bad, I just realized you said NF4. I'm not up to speed on S754 NF4 boards.

DFI makes the Infinity series, socket 754 NF4 chipset with overclocking nearly as good as the LANPARTY series (just lacking the extreme memory voltages and such).

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
No dual-channel=Sluggish City USA

Only if you live or die by Sandra memory benchmarks.

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
there is absolutely nothing wrong with socket 754 AMD64 proc's... if your on a budjet and arent a gamer or benchmark junky then you will be fine.

Well, benchmark junky I can understand. Gamer? WTF dude? Gaming is all about the video card. I'm willing to wager that USING THE SAME VIDEO CARD for all intents and purposes of gaming a socket 754 system will perform as well as a socket 939 system for less money.

Video card will be the same/cost the same for whatever card such as 7800GT

Motherboard... overall socket 939 boards tend to cost more, but there are some budget ones. Foxconn makes Nforce4-4X boards in both socket types within about $2 of each other, so let's say they are the same.

CPU... socket 939 3500+ (512k cache, 2.2GHz) is $191. Socket 754 3700+ (1MB cache, 2.4GHz) is $162.

If you compare them unoverclocked and regardless of being "future proof" (which is silly with socket M2 coming out, unless you have that Asrock 939SATA2 board) which platform will score higher in gaming benchmarks? Well, they should be the same since they have the same video card, but the socket 754 is $30 cheaper. Which will score higher in all other benchmarks except memory intensive? The socket 754, at $30 less.

"Future proof?" Socket M2 is coming out, plus many people upgrade motherboards when they upgrade CPUs.

Overclockability? That's the wildcard. It isn't unknown for Venice chips to hit 2.7GHz, but "guaranteed" is more like 2.5GHz. Earlier Newcastles were mostly good for 2.3-2.4GHz, but more recent ones can hit 2.6GHz+ without too much problem. The cheaper Sempron chips should overclock really well except they are limited by their low multiplier.

You know what, socket 754 is budjet but its good. I bet I could not OC a socket 754 chip over 700 Mhz!!!! so whats the better bang for buck? now if your not a overclocker then 754 is fine.

Do a search in the archives on my Palermo Sempron 2800+ thread. I achieved a 1.12ghz overclock with it. So, how much do you want to bet? Or rather, how much do you want to hand over?

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
No dual-channel=Sluggish City USA

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Zap
Overclockability? That's the wildcard. It isn't unknown for Venice chips to hit 2.7GHz, but "guaranteed" is more like 2.5GHz. Earlier Newcastles were mostly good for 2.3-2.4GHz, but more recent ones can hit 2.6GHz+ without too much problem. The cheaper Sempron chips should overclock really well except they are limited by their low multiplier.

You know what, socket 754 is budjet but its good. I bet I could not OC a socket 754 chip over 700 Mhz!!!! so whats the better bang for buck? now if your not a overclocker then 754 is fine.

How much you wanna bet??????????

My A64 2800+ Newcastle will POST at 2.7GHz - that's a 900MHz overclock. Now, I say POST - not stable. My Epox board has passive Northbridge cooling so that might be the culprit - the motherboard not being able to handle 300MHz. At 2.5GHz (700MHz OC) it seems completely stable at default voltage (IIRC). I actually haven't tried it in-between the two. Right now I have it running at 2.4GHz with RightMark slowing it down to 1.33GHz during low CPU usage. Why? It runs pretty darn quiet at slower speeds. The noisiest part of my system is when my HDDs are churning, causing some case buzzing (two HDDs using grommets but not suspended, case is Compucase LX-6A19).

But yeah, you're probably right, you probably couldn't OC a socket 754 CPU over 700MHz. :roll:

J/K

 

[DarkKnight69]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Heh 2800+ sempron
Nice 754 ocing mobo with pci-e
GTO squared

Equals- Value budget system that roxs.

How right you are, got a 3100+ (@2.55) and a NF3 with a 9800XT, that rips games very nicely. And the mobile chips go 754 iirc.

 

[Shenkoa]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
How much do you got?

You are about to make a sucker bet Shenkoa...it's already been done.

Horse Radish, you are all shanagins!

 

[SPQQKY]

You can really build a nice gaming rig that would be fast and cheap for s754. Epox is out with a s754 nF4 SLI mobo, pair that with a couple of 6600s and a 2800+ Sempron 64 and you have a fast and cheap system. As I understand it you could hit 2.5GHz no problem with such a rig.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
And the mobile chips go 754 iirc.

Yup, the older mobiles and the new Turions. People have use the older mobiles and DTR chips on desktop boards. Haven't heard about the Turion yet, either success or failure.

 

[SPQQKY]

oops.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
How much do you got?

You are about to make a sucker bet Shenkoa...it's already been done.

Horse Radish, you are all shanagins!

OK...I give...can't find a definition for "Shanigans". What is it?

 

[forumposter32]

Why can't you people just use benchmarks instead of arguing?

CPU benchmarks
http://www23.tomshardware.com/

UT2004 benchmark
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/2005-17gpu_20.html

That last benchmark is to prove that gaming is not all about the GPU. Unreal Tournament 2004 is heavilly dependant on the CPU. How can you tell this? All cards on the first chart of that page are around the same frame per second. The ones with higher resolutions with AA on have slower frame rates so you see that the CPU for some games provides the base of your performance.

Then I saw some CPU scaling with the 7800 GTX where it was obvious the Athlon 64 3000+ was holding it back. I might add that link later.

\EDIT: Here's one link...
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/athlon_64_geforce_7800_gtx_scaling/page5.asp

 

[cryptonomicon]

with 6600gts/6800gts falling into a sweet price point, the 754 platform has never looked so attractive. also s754 semprons are really excellent processors, and angry_games at DFI-street attained a 1GHZ overclock off a 90nm sempron (from 1600mhz to 2600mhz).

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Have you guys seen the prices on some used socket 754 boards on ebay? They're super cheap.

Picked up a DFI LP 250GB for $55 shipped right here in FS/FT for my kid's system

 

[elcamino74ss]

I picked up my combo off the fs/ft here a few months ago.

$200 for
Soltek NF3 250gb board, AMD64 2800, 2 x 512 G.Skill CAS2

Was a very good bargain upgrade from my old P3 933

Combo it with an evga 6600gt for under 150 and it runs most games out there nicely.

 

[Bull Dog]

see this thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1708047&enterthread=y

 

[mamisano]

Really love my 3400+ 1MB Cache A64. Picked it up on Ebay for $175 shipped, almost a year ago. Paired it with an MSI K8T Neo FIS2R, Adaptec 6-channel SATA Raid card and 3x Hitachi tk250's, and 2x GEIL 1GB PC3200 Value ram. It is happily powering my home server 24x7 and with Cool-n-Quiet usually runs at 800mhz

There are also some nice ATI based S754 boards available.