74% of Republicans on Obamacare are satisfied with it

[SilentRunning]

So assuming an equal distribution of Republicans who signed up with new coverage under Obamacare and those who still have a grandfathered plan.

8 million (reported enrollment although 2.5 million is missing)/ 314 million *.74 =0.0188

So about 1.8% of Republicans have said the were satisfied.

 

[Jhhnn]

So assuming an equal distribution of Republicans who signed up with new coverage under Obamacare and those who still have a grandfathered plan.

8 million (reported enrollment although 2.5 million is missing)/ 314 million *.74 =0.0188

So about 1.8% of Republicans have said the were satisfied.

Your assumption has no basis in fact. Furthermore, you're attempting to discredit what appears to be honest polling by attempting to trivialize it.

Confronted with information contrary to what you believe, you simply avoid its validity by any means possible.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt. It's a feature of right wing ideology.

 

[SilentRunning]

Your assumption has no basis in fact. Furthermore, you're attempting to discredit what appears to be honest polling by attempting to trivialize it.

Confronted with information contrary to what you believe, you simply avoid its validity by any means possible.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt. It's a feature of right wing ideology.

Even if you assume that 100% of the new enrollments are Republicans the poll only represents 8.4% of Republicans. So yes, I am discrediting something which appears to be an "honest poll" while really presenting misleading results to the progressive sheeple.

 

[sunzt]

Even if you assume that 100% of the new enrollments are Republicans the poll only represents 8.4% of Republicans. So yes, I am discrediting something which appears to be an "honest poll" while really presenting misleading results to the progressive sheeple.

Are you familiar with sampling and polling methodology? Do you know why and how elections are called with less than 100% of precincts reporting votes?

 

[fskimospy]

Even if you assume that 100% of the new enrollments are Republicans the poll only represents 8.4% of Republicans. So yes, I am discrediting something which appears to be an "honest poll" while really presenting misleading results to the progressive sheeple.

I get the sense that you don't understand how polling and statistics work. You realize that we can get highly accurate polls of what the US population thinks by sampling around .0003% of the population, right?

 

[werepossum]

Obamacare... not quite as shitty as you thought

Wrong. By definition those paying a penalty do not have an Obamacare plan, and so will not be counted.

Yep, and yep. Although to be fair, the Pubbies are responsible for there being more people paying penalties than would be as designed.

Obama care, better than the shit we had before, but still a step in the wrong direction.

At least I can understand the moral attempt to insure as many as possible. I just think that the goal could be better accomplished. I don't think it will do much to reduce costs, but I hope it helps more than it hurts.

Hey, for a government project I consider this to be a win.

I do (cautiously) think it helps more than it hurts. It's not my preferred plan and I would like the Pubbies to come up with a better plan, but at this point I think the onus is on them to show that it IS a better plan by implementing it in a few willing states. The implementation of Obamacare was terribly botched and a major societal disruption, but now it's here and working reasonably well for most people. I don't see much point in flat-out repealing it which won't unscrew most of those screwed by it and would re-screw those it really helps, or in replacing it with another nationwide plan which could easily be just as poorly implemented.

 

[desy]

Yes I recall polling anything more than a couple/ three thousand people doesn't increase your statistical accuracy very much if you make sure the demographics are right

 

[glenn1]

In the real world, they are satisfied. But you are free to "deskew" the poll for us.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/04/04/94-free-healthcare/

 

[SilentRunning]

I get the sense that you don't understand how polling and statistics work. You realize that we can get highly accurate polls of what the US population thinks by sampling around .0003% of the population, right?

You do realize this was not a sample of the population. This was a sample of a subset of the population. An 8 million (at best) subset of 314 million. People who got new coverage under obamacare (which includes people with free medicaid coverage and people who got subsidies on exchanges.)

 

[Matt1970]

Pray tell, in what fairytale are people paying higher premiums and MASSIVELY increased deductibles satisfied with their health care?

That's what everyone is missing here. The survey wasn't about premiums or deductibles or with the fact that they were forced to change doctors or hospital and doesn't even ask if they are overall satisfied, it just asks if they are happy with their "coverage".

This is a compilation of many many polls and they all seem to say the same thing. People are overall unhappy with the ACA by an average of 39% in favor and 54% opposed. That has been relatively unchanged all along.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

 

[theeedude]

That's what everyone is missing here. The survey wasn't about premiums or deductibles or with the fact that they were forced to change doctors or hospital and doesn't even ask if they are overall satisfied, it just asks if they are happy with their "coverage".

This is a compilation of many many polls and they all seem to say the same thing. People are overall unhappy with the ACA by an average of 39% in favor and 54% opposed. That has been relatively unchanged all along.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Yeah, it doesn't ask them if they got laid last night and are overall satisfied with life. Just whether they are happy with their coverage, which is what Obamacare is about.

 

[Matt1970]

Yeah, it doesn't ask them if they got laid last night and are overall satisfied with life. Just whether they are happy with their coverage, which is what Obamacare is about.

Move the goalposts much?

 

[theeedude]

Move the goalposts much?

Not as much as the GOP has been moving them on Obamacare, and Obama still keeps scoring.

 

[Spungo]

75% of obama care has yet to kick in..and it won't till your obama leave office.

This is what orange face Boner was suing Obama over. The dems passed healthcare reform like they promised, but Obama chose to make it not kick in until after the 2014 election because he knows that it would cost the democrats the 2014 election.

What did people think Boner was doing? He was demanding Obamacare take effect immediately because it would instigate a crisis and cause his party to win a large majority this year. This is what politicians do every day.

 

[Matt1970]

Not as much as the GOP has been moving them on Obamacare, and Obama still keeps scoring.

Oh ya, because that is what Obamacare has been about all along. What is covered and what is not. It was never about lowering premiums, or pre-existing conditions, or quality of care, or even getting people on insurance to begin with.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is what orange face Boner was suing Obama over. The dems passed healthcare reform like they promised, but Obama chose to make it not kick in until after the 2014 election because he knows that it would cost the democrats the 2014 election.

What did people think Boner was doing? He was demanding Obamacare take effect immediately because it would instigate a crisis and cause his party to win a large majority this year. This is what politicians do every day.

So, uhh, what is Boehner doing filing suit *now* when there will be no outcome prior to the election? Is that pandering, grandstanding, or both?

What reason is there to think that employees of large companies will be less satisfied with ACA compliant plans than people who have them through the exchanges?

Praying for failure isn't a reason, is it?

 

[Jhhnn]

That's what everyone is missing here. The survey wasn't about premiums or deductibles or with the fact that they were forced to change doctors or hospital and doesn't even ask if they are overall satisfied, it just asks if they are happy with their "coverage".

This is a compilation of many many polls and they all seem to say the same thing. People are overall unhappy with the ACA by an average of 39% in favor and 54% opposed. That has been relatively unchanged all along.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Yes, Repub fear mongering has had an effect on the opinions of people who have no direct experience with ACA compliant plans. That stands in sharp contrast with the opinions of people who actually have ACA plans through the exchanges.

That delta merely shows that propaganda works.

Many employer sponsored plans are already ACA compliant with participants ignorant of that fact, as well.

 

[Spungo]

So, uhh, what is Boehner doing filing suit *now* when there will be no outcome prior to the election? Is that pandering, grandstanding, or both?

Grandstanding. He's mostly trying to draw attention to the fact that Obama is a criminal. Obamacare is now the law of the land. It went through all of the proper channels, and it passed. Now Obama is trying to use executive orders to overrule congress, which is illegal.

An analogy would make it easier to understand what's going on. Suppose we passed marijuana reform. It goes through the entire process, it goes through congress, the senate, and it's signed by the president. That becomes the new law - marijuana is legal for everyone. But wait, the president signs an executive order saying anyone caught with marijuana will be arrested. Can the president legally do that? The answer is no, and that's why Obama is being sued.
Imagine how angry people would be if Romney were president and he issued an executive order making abortion illegal in all states. He would immediately be sued because his executive order goes against the current laws. The president is supposed to have less power than congress.

 

[mirageracerx]

well i for one am not satisfied with it. i pay more for less. went through exchanges and all. the world hates my generation for some reason. *shrugs*

 

[Pneumothorax]

well i for one am not satisfied with it. i pay more for less. went through exchanges and all. the world hates my generation for some reason. *shrugs*

Would we have Obama in office if we took our Gen X/Y/Millenials out of the last 2 presidential cycles ?

 

[theeedude]

Oh ya, because that is what Obamacare has been about all along. What is covered and what is not. It was never about lowering premiums, or pre-existing conditions, or quality of care, or even getting people on insurance to begin with.

It was all about it all along. But you are free to claim otherwise. It doesn't surprise me that you conservatives would be wrong about this like you are wrong about everything else.

 

[Smoblikat]

When theres a total of 7 people enrolled that 74% number doesnt seem that impressive.............

 

[First]

It was all about it all along. But you are free to claim otherwise. It doesn't surprise me that you conservatives would be wrong about this like you are wrong about everything else.

What's interesting is people claiming ACA to be unpopular when polls show liberals that are unhappy with Obamacare tip the scale to negative "support"...except those 20% of liberals are unhappy because ACA doesn't go far enough in terms of government control, which is why all polls on ACA that break down individual components of ACA show it to be clearly popular by solid majorities when those 20% of liberals are asked how they feel about the individual components. For example, Bloomberg's poll here, reposted below:

Overall, do you support or oppose the Affordable Care Act, often called Obamacare?
(If oppose : ) Do you oppose the law because it went too far, or because it did not go far enough?

39 Support
42 Oppose, went too far
11 Oppose, did not go far enough
8 Not sure

Since the health care law went into effect on January 1st
of this year, have you experienced a big change, a little
change, or no real change in your health care?

24 Big change
15 Little change
60 No real change
1 Not sure

For each of the following provisions of the health care law, please tell me if you support or oppose this provision.
(Read list. Rotate.)

Support Oppose
Not
Sure

Eliminates lifetime caps on how much insurance companies must pay for a
person’s health care 55 37 8
Prohibits insurance companies from denying coverage based on pre-existing
conditions 65 32 3
Allows children up to age 26 to remain on their parents’ policies 75 23 2
Mandates everyone to have health insurance 46 52 2

What is your opinion of the health care law? (Read list.)


It should be
repealed
It may need small
modifications, but we
should see how it works It should be left alone Not sure
32 56 10 2

 

[fskimospy]

You do realize this was not a sample of the population. This was a sample of a subset of the population. An 8 million (at best) subset of 314 million. People who got new coverage under obamacare (which includes people with free medicaid coverage and people who got subsidies on exchanges.)

The title of the thread is quite clear, that the sample is of those Republicans who got coverage under the ACA. If the population you're studying is smaller that means you need a smaller sample to get one that's statistically valid (although at numbers like this the sample size doesn't really change much).

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue anymore. Are you trying to say that we should ask Republicans that don't have ACA related plans if they are okay with the ACA related plan they don't have? This is nonsensical.

 

[Matt1970]

It was all about it all along. But you are free to claim otherwise. It doesn't surprise me that you conservatives would be wrong about this like you are wrong about everything else.

Except people can actually go back and listen to the speeches Obama made when pushing this through. I think you will find a lot more mentions about just getting people insured and saving them money rather than getting them more coverage.