BoomerD
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A poem written by French people is NOT our immigration law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus
"Emma Lazarus (July 22, 1849 November 19, 1887) was an American poet born in New York City."
A poem written by French people is NOT our immigration law.
They are people just like you or I.
-John
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus
"Emma Lazarus (July 22, 1849 November 19, 1887) was an American poet born in New York City."
My point still stands. A poem is not law
Yes exactly my point, "Native Americans" don't deserve jack shit for losing. Sorry they don't, not a goddamn cent, not a goddamn sqft of land, nothing. They should be just like you and I and if they have a problem with that they can get killed off rebelling. There were people on NA before their ancestors showed up here and they killed them off. So this whole "indigenous" shit is retarded. They aren't like aboriginals in Australia which have a 25,000 year genetic split from the rest of humanity.Really now!
I think the American Indian is granted Indigenous People status as far as the Americas go... But, I guess if you go far enough back you have to start somewhere... Eden? Africa and the Moonbeam Chimp? Whatever...
The European came first and took a bit more than corn from the folks living here and Manifest Destiny'd over their land and person.... That they could not prevent this travesty is not to say they like all people who end up subordinated to the powerful deserve their lot in life... Especially when we are suppose to be a Nation of Laws...
I agree. We conquered the Indians. They should be paying US money, not the other way around. We should have rights over them, not the other way around.
No they are not... I am an American and pay my taxes. They are here illegally, and are popping out anchor babies whose asses my tax money supports. Spare me the libnut emotional BS.
Good news: in about 18 years, the anchor babies will turn Texas into a blue state.
What would be best would be to see everyone clambering to get into the US... it would indicate that the US was once again the leader of the World's Economy... Or would it?
To me it is all about what causes folks to come here... it seems counter intuitive for folks to want being here if our economy is all in shatters... Who is right and who is wrong?
Sure we create laws for immigration because we feel we have to limit the population and what drains our economy. But when we don't wish to abide by our own laws in some cases we are hypocritical. I don't like being that way... Either all laws are to be enforced or we are seen to be discriminatory against a class of people, in this case.
Born in the USA is a nice song but should it convey citizenship? Some should argue that Life begins at conception and therefore, prove you got pregnant in the USA... :sneaky: I say, Yes.. it does because it is what we've stated in law since the beginning.
Treaties are our law too as they are embodied in our Constitution as such.
Honor them or don't enter into them.
This has been debunked so many times. They pay sales and property taxes (through rent). The ones with fake SS numbers (a separate issue) also have income tax withheld that they never see a refund of. So one could make the argument that a higher percentage of their income goes to taxes than yours.
Of course, those who get paid cash don't pay the income tax part, but it's not like citizens and legal residents don't do the same thing. How many people on these forums list their income from computer repair side-jobs on their tax returns?
This has been debunked so many times. They pay sales and property taxes (through rent). The ones with fake SS numbers (a separate issue) also have income tax withheld that they never see a refund of. So one could make the argument that a higher percentage of their income goes to taxes than yours.
Of course, those who get paid cash don't pay the income tax part, but it's not like citizens and legal residents don't do the same thing. How many people on these forums list their income from computer repair side-jobs on their tax returns?
1. Protect the Border.
2. National Sales Tax = catches everyone regardless of citizenship status.
3. Documentation = Document the undocumented, when receiving state or government services.
Follow through on those three issues first; then everything else is worth consideration.
My tax money pays for their freaking hospital visit, via Medicaid. That includes the baby delivery, and any other medical service they conveniently chose to get in the ER. You haven't even began to debunk anything, merely trying to sweep the issue under the rug.
This has been debunked so many times. They pay sales and property taxes (through rent).
This has been debunked so many times. They pay sales and property taxes (through rent). The ones with fake SS numbers (a separate issue) also have income tax withheld that they never see a refund of. So one could make the argument that a higher percentage of their income goes to taxes than yours.
Of course, those who get paid cash don't pay the income tax part, but it's not like citizens and legal residents don't do the same thing. How many people on these forums list their income from computer repair side-jobs on their tax returns?
Edcuational in a public school costs more than that.
In a few threads where I said most people pull out more than they put in, it was established that public school is often in the ballpark of 10k per year. Illegal immigrants are definitely a net drain on society.
I always find it funny when people try to say the opposite.
Gee... Let me ask you a question...or two.
IF there is such a thing as fixed and variable costs... what makes up the 10k attribution to the immigrant kid attending this school?
For the sake of debate assume the class size with out the kid is 39 and with him it is 40. IOW, what is the marginal cost of educating that next kid?
Gee... Let me ask you a question...or two.
IF there is such a thing as fixed and variable costs... what makes up the 10k attribution to the immigrant kid attending this school?
For the sake of debate assume the class size with out the kid is 39 and with him it is 40. IOW, what is the marginal cost of educating that next kid?
Is there any value assigned to the cultural diversity that might be added to that class?
You sidestepped my question rather then answering it. We have educated people from all over the world standing in line WAITING to get into this country. Expalin to me why they have to wait but your willing to let any Mexican who can walk come into the country and then grant them amnesty? Explain that and quit talking in circles please.
The immigration policy of this country should be what the majority of American citizens want, not what the Mexicans want.
Yes 10k to 400k looks like nothing and is a small percentage, but it's still 10k we're spending that we shouldn't have to. Just because more of something makes another look less doesn't actually make it less.
I'd prefer to educate all the kids who are here... enable them to be the best they can be and just maybe we'll all benefit as a result.
I believe you can't put in what God left out but you can sure try to make folks more able to move this country ahead through education than letting them sit on the corner and have to steal to live... Education is the foundation for prosperity...
Our European folks possess this already but they are older than the kid we speak of... let him advance and compete on a fair basis...
I have a sneaky feeling that if the economy was flurishing this would be a non issue or at best a minor one... IF we can get the economy going and return manufacturing to the US we'd need tons more people to produce what we demand... and we'd have the tax base to eliminate the concerns that plague some of us today...
I would love to educate everyone here too, that doesn't change what we're saying. If these people were paying income tax etc it wouldn't even be an issue, but they aren't so it is. Do you not understand that? I'm not saying to STOP educating these kids, I'm saying currently illegals are a drain on our economy and this is one of the reasons.
I suppose the answer might be that I consider the Mexican to be an American Indian and part of the Apache group of Indians.
