74% of births in Parkland public hospital in Dallas Tx are by ILLEGAL moms

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Munky

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They are people just like you or I.

-John

No they are not... I am an American and pay my taxes. They are here illegally, and are popping out anchor babies whose asses my tax money supports. Spare me the libnut emotional BS.
 

bfdd

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Really now! :(

I think the American Indian is granted Indigenous People status as far as the Americas go... But, I guess if you go far enough back you have to start somewhere... Eden? Africa and the Moonbeam Chimp? Whatever...

The European came first and took a bit more than corn from the folks living here and Manifest Destiny'd over their land and person.... That they could not prevent this travesty is not to say they like all people who end up subordinated to the powerful deserve their lot in life... Especially when we are suppose to be a Nation of Laws...
Yes exactly my point, "Native Americans" don't deserve jack shit for losing. Sorry they don't, not a goddamn cent, not a goddamn sqft of land, nothing. They should be just like you and I and if they have a problem with that they can get killed off rebelling. There were people on NA before their ancestors showed up here and they killed them off. So this whole "indigenous" shit is retarded. They aren't like aboriginals in Australia which have a 25,000 year genetic split from the rest of humanity.

I agree. We conquered the Indians. They should be paying US money, not the other way around. We should have rights over them, not the other way around.

what the crazy? they should be AMERICANS and be treated the same as every other citizen of the USA.
 

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Good news: in about 18 years, the anchor babies will turn Texas into a blue state.
 

dainthomas

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No they are not... I am an American and pay my taxes. They are here illegally, and are popping out anchor babies whose asses my tax money supports. Spare me the libnut emotional BS.

This has been debunked so many times. They pay sales and property taxes (through rent). The ones with fake SS numbers (a separate issue) also have income tax withheld that they never see a refund of. So one could make the argument that a higher percentage of their income goes to taxes than yours.

Of course, those who get paid cash don't pay the income tax part, but it's not like citizens and legal residents don't do the same thing. How many people on these forums list their income from computer repair side-jobs on their tax returns?
 

nobodyknows

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What would be best would be to see everyone clambering to get into the US... it would indicate that the US was once again the leader of the World's Economy... Or would it?
To me it is all about what causes folks to come here... it seems counter intuitive for folks to want being here if our economy is all in shatters... Who is right and who is wrong?
Sure we create laws for immigration because we feel we have to limit the population and what drains our economy. But when we don't wish to abide by our own laws in some cases we are hypocritical. I don't like being that way... Either all laws are to be enforced or we are seen to be discriminatory against a class of people, in this case.
Born in the USA is a nice song but should it convey citizenship? Some should argue that Life begins at conception and therefore, prove you got pregnant in the USA... :sneaky: I say, Yes.. it does because it is what we've stated in law since the beginning.
Treaties are our law too as they are embodied in our Constitution as such.
Honor them or don't enter into them.

You sidestepped my question rather then answering it. We have educated people from all over the world standing in line WAITING to get into this country. Expalin to me why they have to wait but your willing to let any Mexican who can walk come into the country and then grant them amnesty? Explain that and quit talking in circles please.

The immigration policy of this country should be what the majority of American citizens want, not what the Mexicans want.
 

nobodyknows

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This has been debunked so many times. They pay sales and property taxes (through rent). The ones with fake SS numbers (a separate issue) also have income tax withheld that they never see a refund of. So one could make the argument that a higher percentage of their income goes to taxes than yours.

Of course, those who get paid cash don't pay the income tax part, but it's not like citizens and legal residents don't do the same thing. How many people on these forums list their income from computer repair side-jobs on their tax returns?

It has? See my sig and quit being a dumb ass.
 

Munky

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This has been debunked so many times. They pay sales and property taxes (through rent). The ones with fake SS numbers (a separate issue) also have income tax withheld that they never see a refund of. So one could make the argument that a higher percentage of their income goes to taxes than yours.

Of course, those who get paid cash don't pay the income tax part, but it's not like citizens and legal residents don't do the same thing. How many people on these forums list their income from computer repair side-jobs on their tax returns?

My tax money pays for their freaking hospital visit, via Medicaid. That includes the baby delivery, and any other medical service they conveniently chose to get in the ER. You haven't even began to debunk anything, merely trying to sweep the issue under the rug.
 
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1. Protect the Border.
2. National Sales Tax = catches everyone regardless of citizenship status.
3. Documentation = Document the undocumented, when receiving state or government services.

Follow through on those three issues first; then everything else is worth consideration.

Your plan only works if they drop the income tax. If not, legal Americans and residents are getting double taxed, while the illegals are still getting away with not paying income taxes.

If someone comes in for government services and is "undocumented" then they do need to be documented and be put on a bus to Mexico.
 

rpanic

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My tax money pays for their freaking hospital visit, via Medicaid. That includes the baby delivery, and any other medical service they conveniently chose to get in the ER. You haven't even began to debunk anything, merely trying to sweep the issue under the rug.

Not to mention that if you live in an area with illegals like LA and have kids you get double fucked. You get to pay taxes and then have to pay for private school because they have screwed up most of the schools. No way in hell do they contribute as much as they take just with the money eaten up by their anchor babies alone. We pay for everything once they have a kid here, food, school, medical, they use all of the services paid for by US citizens. If we were counting some Illegal that just came here and worked the cost probably would break even for taxpayers, but that’s not the reality of what is happening because they are popping out so anchor babies that we are on the hook for.
 

nick1985

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This has been debunked so many times. They pay sales and property taxes (through rent).

Do they pay more in sales tax than they recieve through social services? You dont even have to answer that, as we all know the answer.
 

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This has been debunked so many times. They pay sales and property taxes (through rent). The ones with fake SS numbers (a separate issue) also have income tax withheld that they never see a refund of. So one could make the argument that a higher percentage of their income goes to taxes than yours.

Of course, those who get paid cash don't pay the income tax part, but it's not like citizens and legal residents don't do the same thing. How many people on these forums list their income from computer repair side-jobs on their tax returns?

For most places property tax is roughly 1-2% of the property value.
If they rent an place for $600/month - their property tax donation is about 60-100/year

If they are getting paid $10/hr (unlikely), that is 20K/yr.

Sales taxes may consume 2-3% of salary after non-taxable items are accounted for.
So they are contributing $400/yr

Total $500 yr.

Edcuational in a public school costs more than that.
An ER visit will be $250 and up.

My last grandkids birth was $5K.

Granddaughter has a mild athesma (sp) - Medication for her is $100/month
It is a reasonable guess that illegals have no insurance; so going to the ER for a checkup and getting meds from the pharmacy will hit $300 easily.

Recalculate your math to see if their meager contribution make up for their costs on the medical system alone.
 

ShawnD1

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Edcuational in a public school costs more than that.

In a few threads where I said most people pull out more than they put in, it was established that public school is often in the ballpark of 10k per year. Illegal immigrants are definitely a net drain on society.
 

bfdd

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In a few threads where I said most people pull out more than they put in, it was established that public school is often in the ballpark of 10k per year. Illegal immigrants are definitely a net drain on society.

I always find it funny when people try to say the opposite.
 

LunarRay

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I always find it funny when people try to say the opposite.

Gee... Let me ask you a question...or two.

IF there is such a thing as fixed and variable costs... what makes up the 10k attribution to the immigrant kid attending this school?
For the sake of debate assume the class size with out the kid is 39 and with him it is 40. IOW, what is the marginal cost of educating that next kid?

Is there any value assigned to the cultural diversity that might be added to that class?
 
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ShawnD1

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Gee... Let me ask you a question...or two.

IF there is such a thing as fixed and variable costs... what makes up the 10k attribution to the immigrant kid attending this school?
For the sake of debate assume the class size with out the kid is 39 and with him it is 40. IOW, what is the marginal cost of educating that next kid?

This is an excellent point. I know that letting 2 extra people live in my single bedroom apartment comes at no personal cost to myself because the rent didn't increase and the cost of insurance didn't increase. Sure I now sleep on the couch and I need to wait in line if want to use the bathroom, but it comes at no personal cost so I can't complain.

Americans are such selfish assholes. Why can't you just let all of Mexico move into the US? Back in my day, university lectures had 200 people per room. You should do that with your public schools as well. Instead of hiring extra teachers to keep a constant teacher to student ratio as the country is swarmed, Americans should just share the resources. It comes at no cost because it's not like 1 on 1 time with a teacher helps children learn anything.
 

bfdd

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Gee... Let me ask you a question...or two.

IF there is such a thing as fixed and variable costs... what makes up the 10k attribution to the immigrant kid attending this school?
For the sake of debate assume the class size with out the kid is 39 and with him it is 40. IOW, what is the marginal cost of educating that next kid?

Is there any value assigned to the cultural diversity that might be added to that class?

Yes 10k to 400k looks like nothing and is a small percentage, but it's still 10k we're spending that we shouldn't have to. Just because more of something makes another look less doesn't actually make it less.
 

LunarRay

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You sidestepped my question rather then answering it. We have educated people from all over the world standing in line WAITING to get into this country. Expalin to me why they have to wait but your willing to let any Mexican who can walk come into the country and then grant them amnesty? Explain that and quit talking in circles please.

The immigration policy of this country should be what the majority of American citizens want, not what the Mexicans want.

I suppose the answer might be that I consider the Mexican to be an American Indian and part of the Apache group of Indians. IF the Apache can roam about his former homeland then why not all the Apache... both in Mexico and the US... I just can't see this border thing as it applies to the Indian. I presume there may be some reason that the European is educated and you assess the Indian as being uneducated and that may be true... but why?

The policy ought to be subordinated to our laws among which a treaty is part of... I'm not really sure if there is a clear line of who is the heir to the rights but there should be one...
 

LunarRay

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Yes 10k to 400k looks like nothing and is a small percentage, but it's still 10k we're spending that we shouldn't have to. Just because more of something makes another look less doesn't actually make it less.

I'd prefer to educate all the kids who are here... enable them to be the best they can be and just maybe we'll all benefit as a result.
I believe you can't put in what God left out but you can sure try to make folks more able to move this country ahead through education than letting them sit on the corner and have to steal to live... Education is the foundation for prosperity...
Our European folks possess this already but they are older than the kid we speak of... let him advance and compete on a fair basis...

I have a sneaky feeling that if the economy was flurishing this would be a non issue or at best a minor one... IF we can get the economy going and return manufacturing to the US we'd need tons more people to produce what we demand... and we'd have the tax base to eliminate the concerns that plague some of us today...
 

bfdd

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I'd prefer to educate all the kids who are here... enable them to be the best they can be and just maybe we'll all benefit as a result.
I believe you can't put in what God left out but you can sure try to make folks more able to move this country ahead through education than letting them sit on the corner and have to steal to live... Education is the foundation for prosperity...
Our European folks possess this already but they are older than the kid we speak of... let him advance and compete on a fair basis...

I have a sneaky feeling that if the economy was flurishing this would be a non issue or at best a minor one... IF we can get the economy going and return manufacturing to the US we'd need tons more people to produce what we demand... and we'd have the tax base to eliminate the concerns that plague some of us today...

I would love to educate everyone here too, that doesn't change what we're saying. If these people were paying income tax etc it wouldn't even be an issue, but they aren't so it is. Do you not understand that? I'm not saying to STOP educating these kids, I'm saying currently illegals are a drain on our economy and this is one of the reasons.
 

LunarRay

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I would love to educate everyone here too, that doesn't change what we're saying. If these people were paying income tax etc it wouldn't even be an issue, but they aren't so it is. Do you not understand that? I'm not saying to STOP educating these kids, I'm saying currently illegals are a drain on our economy and this is one of the reasons.

Ok... I see what you're saying and I'm not saying they're not additive... but am saying that today they cost us but tomorrow they could be providing more than the citizen sitting on the corner... That is one of my points.. but not the only one..
I think they, The Mexican, has a situation unlilke the European seeking entry.. legal like or otherwise. I recognize the law as it stands makes entry without permission a crime... regardless of who. But, I'm trying to argue that the Mexican is a Native American just like the ones living in the US.. and they migrate here and there... Maybe you don't agree they are as I suggest... ok.. that is a reasonable position.. I think the Treaties we entered into giving rights to land ownership do not simply vanish because someone decides to vanish them... or deny them... to me they existed then and now... IF owning land is not a citizenship grant I can understand that... but it would enable being on the land legally...
In any event... we simply see the same thing a bit differently and that is normal but what we ought to do will be based on economic considerations as well as the right way to do things.... IF I had a vote in it all.
 

ShawnD1

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I suppose the answer might be that I consider the Mexican to be an American Indian and part of the Apache group of Indians.

I didn't read too far into what you quoted. Are you talking about one specific Mexican or are your talking about most of Mexico? Many/most Mexicans are of European decent.

Canada and USA were jacked by English blokes who look like this:
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Everything south of the US was jacked by the Spanish. They look like this:
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Spanish women look like this:
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