73% of Americans support raising taxes on the wealthy

Indus

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http://americablog.com/2016/02/most-voters-are-ready-for-a-political-revolution-per-new-poll.html

A poll conducted by Morning Consult and Vox shows that 54% of registered voters either strongly or somewhat agree with the statement that, “In the next decade, a political revolution might be necessary to redistribute money from the wealthiest Americans to the middle class.” Just 30% strongly or somewhat disagreed with the statement.

Majorities of registered voters also approved of Sanders’s economic agenda when they were presented in isolation. 73% support raising taxes on the wealthy, 66% support raising taxes on big corporations, 55% support single payer health care and 59% support free college.

Bear in mind that this is simply one poll in a vacuum, and could easily change if, say, meaningful wealth redistribution became an issue in the general election and was subjected to months of conservative attacks. While a majority of registered voters agreed with the need for a political revolution to redistribute wealth from the top to the middle, a similar majority also agreed that “big government” is a greater threat to the country’s future than “big business.” Voters hold inconsistent political opinions; go figure.

However, this finding still serves as one point of vindication for Bernie Sanders’s argument that he is as if not more electable than Hillary Clinton in the general election — an argument based on the premise that he can expand the Democratic electorate by bringing in non-voters and social conservatives who are frustrated with the ongoing decline of the American middle class.

Case in point: Majorities of both Tea Party supporters and registered voters who sat out the 2012 election are in favor of redistribution:

There are a number of explanations for these findings. For starters, it isn’t news that non-voters are more economically liberal than voters; whether an economically progressive platform is enough to turn them into voters without major changes to our electoral system remains a more open question. Additionally, members of the Tea Party are likely responding to the words “middle class” much more favorably than they would if the proposition was redistribution “from the wealthiest Americans to the poor.”

In any case, this poll goes to show that when Bernie Sanders says that Americans are hungry for a political revolution, and that they perceive the current distribution of wealth as unfair and in need of change, he isn’t making stuff up.

And my question is.. is this for real? Are we the people finally fed up of the 1% getting it all?

What do you think? It's obvious millenials don't look at the world the same way older voters do but if this is very much for real.. what are the long term consequences of this?
 

alcoholbob

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What do you mean "we" the people? Didnt you say you had an IQ of 180? If thats the case you should be in the 0.1% of the 1%, unless you decided not to be a multi millionare for lifestyle/hipster reasons. :D
 

Mxylplyx

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The Republican establishment quite masterfully manipulated their voting base to carry the water for the wealthy in this country by distracting them with dog whistle issues like abortion and gay marriage that the wealthy couldnt give two shits about. It really is quite astonishing that so many of the working poor have been convinced to vote against their own best interests, though I suspect that whole paradigm is breaking down now that the establishment no longer controls the message. Economic populism is about to be in vogue I think, and the wealthy better learn to embrace it before the pitch forks come out.
 

glenn1

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http://americablog.com/2016/02/most-voters-are-ready-for-a-political-revolution-per-new-poll.html

And my question is.. is this for real? Are we the people finally fed up of the 1% getting it all?

What do you think? It's obvious millenials don't look at the world the same way older voters do but if this is very much for real.. what are the long term consequences of this?

If you're going to cite voter support for an issue as reason to pass it, then you can't turn around and dismiss voter support for other issues you dislike such as Voter ID and its 70% plus voter support. Be careful what you wish for summoning the tyranny of the majority, you might find that it wants to do a helluva lot more stuff you hate in exchange for that petty swipe at the rich.
 

Sonikku

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How about we just go back to PreReagan tax levels and we never broach this subject again.
 

Indus

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I have zero issues with voter ID.. I have a US passport, I have a NYS driving license, I have a birth certificate. In fact when I registered to vote, I believe I had to give my state driving license id#.
 

glenn1

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I favor FDR's tax plan personally.. look it up.. it was the best thing ever in the last 5000 years.

Sure, maybe you can get pointers from the French, I hear that plan worked great for them. Le Pen winning the first round Dec 2015 elections and relegating Hollande's Socialists to third, and losing to Sarkozy in the 2nd round by nearly 10 points is a ringing endorsement of your approach.
 

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I'm all for the results but let's face it, an online poll on Vox is hardly a balanced and widely representative sample. If something like that were Bernie would be a shoe-in for the primaries.
 

EOM

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This just in: 99.3% of people don't mind raising taxes when it won't affect their own paycheck
 

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I'm all for the results but let's face it, an online poll on Vox is hardly a balanced and widely representative sample. If something like that were Bernie would be a shoe-in for the primaries.

It's probably due to the lack of women on the internet. If you looked at 4chan or youtube, you would assume some kind of plague killed all women. This site is mostly men as well. The internet (men) want Bernie to win. Women, in general, want Hillary to win.

As an internet keynesian/MMT economist, I think we need to lower taxes. Putting more money in everyone's pocket is called a helicopter drop, and it's used to increase aggregate demand. It's hard to demand goods when half of your pay is jacked by the state.
 

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In an unprecedented poll, a full 100% of Americans asked said that their own taxes were too high and supported raising taxes on someone else instead.
 

JSt0rm

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In an unprecedented poll, a full 100% of Americans asked said that their own taxes were too high and supported raising taxes on someone else instead.


this just in; 50% of the middle class votes against their own interests in the name of ideology.
 

cubby1223

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this just in; 50% of the middle class votes against their own interests in the name of ideology.

In another poll recently conducted, 60% of internet forum junkies believe they know what's best for everyone else ;)
 
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Of course the not 1% would want them to pay more so their tax burden could hopefully be less to survive better :)
 

Exophase

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It's probably due to the lack of women on the internet. If you looked at 4chan or youtube, you would assume some kind of plague killed all women. This site is mostly men as well. The internet (men) want Bernie to win. Women, in general, want Hillary to win.

Well as far as using the internet in general goes I don't think it's overall that different between men and women, at least not anymore..

But when it comes to talking to people you don't know on forums or comments sections it's more men, and much more so for one based around a tech site like AT.

I'd guess that women tend to use the internet more to talk to people they know in person (via social media, ie Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest, Twitter, Tumblr to some extent) vs men using it talk to people they don't know in person. But that's just a hunch, I don't know if there's any data that'd show more on that outside of demographic breakdowns for some popular sites.

As an internet keynesian/MMT economist, I think we need to lower taxes. Putting more money in everyone's pocket is called a helicopter drop, and it's used to increase aggregate demand. It's hard to demand goods when half of your pay is jacked by the state.

Increasing taxes for the very wealthy is quite a bit different from increasing taxes on everyone and could even be accompanied with lower median taxes, or increased social services that also effectively put more money in more people's pockets. That's not to say that the very wealthy don't contribute to the economy but they don't spend a lot more than the typical person on investing in more money, or niche goods that don't distribute out as much.
 

Exophase

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Of course the not 1% would want them to pay more so their tax burden could hopefully be less to survive better :)

Sure, the majority will usually go with their own interests. Although some would probably agree with the increased taxes even if it meant they had to pay more too.

Economically speaking, Bernie's tax plans could work out really badly for me. I'm making a lot of money right now but I don't expect it to last, with a gradual tapering down over the next several months or couple years (app sales, and I don't expect to hit a similar demand again). So what I'm making now goes towards trying to secure a large enough principle that can generate a comfortable (but still fairly modest) level of yearly investment income (assuming the market and my investments manage okay in the long term). I'd be considered 1% for now but over the long term probably not.

A sudden big increase in taxes would knock a huge dent in this, assuming it gets passed soon enough. This could mean the difference of having to work several years to make up the difference.

Still, I support this because I think it's better for the country.
 

JSt0rm

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actually the majority doesnt go with their own interests. Look at the nordic countries if you want to see societies that are collectively intelligent and vote in the best interests of everyone.
 

ivwshane

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It's probably due to the lack of women on the internet. If you looked at 4chan or youtube, you would assume some kind of plague killed all women. This site is mostly men as well. The internet (men) want Bernie to win. Women, in general, want Hillary to win.

As an internet keynesian/MMT economist, I think we need to lower taxes. Putting more money in everyone's pocket is called a helicopter drop, and it's used to increase aggregate demand. It's hard to demand goods when half of your pay is jacked by the state.

Taxes, when raised or lowered, have a minimal, if any impact on the economy. There appears to be no correlation between taxes and the economy.
 

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This is why we have a Representative Government, because Democracy, or Government by the masses, is sure to fail.

Has failed before.

Like Communism. Like Socialism.

-John