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It's all over the country, you want proof? Let me go door to door and ask people... Get out of the house and play some sports and you'll see. There are FAR more people playing soccer in the US recreationally than the other sports. Especially when you count college and up ages.
I was living in Worcester MA where there were about 4 or so indoor soccer centers within 20 miles of me, all constantly advertising soccer. One of them had 4 indoor fields, one of which was advertised as flag football but they were planning on dropping it because of low interest.
I couldn't find any other football/baseball leagues to play in (though I'll give you that I wasn't looking very hard)... Strangely enough I think I found more male softball leagues than baseball leagues...
The American media only really shows baseball/football etc because that is where the commercial money is right now.
 
CZroe said:
The game wasn't over when that happened. Their team scored and was winning, but they hadn't won. Granted, he said "ended with" and the Olympics didn't end with the bombing, but the bomber intended to kill far more and would have if it weren't for Richard Jewell. Also, it didn't happen at an actual game. I can pick me apart too. Anyway, it was still a major sporting event with home-grown violence that could have killed many more people.
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You know my point is not about a lone criminal targeting a crowd. In countries where soccer is the main sport, every few years we get a new report of hundreds or thousands of the hooligans going on rampages and killing and injuring hundreds of people just because they are hooligans for the opposing team or just unlucky enough to get caught in the stampede. I've watched the documentaries and there is no F'ing way you'd catch me taking my family to a sporting event in any of those places!

I find it hypocritical that citizens and governments of these "soccer countries" continue to claim some sort of ethical high ground over America while engaging in or allowing these atrocities to continue for over 100 years. THAT was my point.

We have our share of criminals and deviants for sure but there is no way 70,000 fans of the home team would decide to rampage and kill all the opposing fans over a football game. It's unimaginable. Although I admit to having dreamed of it when the Steelers come to town 😀
 
1sikbITCH said:
You know my point is not about a lone criminal targeting a crowd. In countries where soccer is the main sport, every few years we get a new report of hundreds or thousands of the hooligans going on rampages and killing and injuring hundreds of people just because they are hooligans for the opposing team or just unlucky enough to get caught in the stampede. I've watched the documentaries and there is no F'ing way you'd catch me taking my family to a sporting event in any of those places!

I find it hypocritical that citizens and governments of these "soccer countries" continue to claim some sort of ethical high ground over America while engaging in or allowing these atrocities to continue for over 100 years. THAT was my point.

We have our share of criminals and deviants for sure but there is no way 70,000 fans of the home team would decide to rampage and kill all the opposing fans over a football game. It's unimaginable. Although I admit to having dreamed of it when the Steelers come to town 😀
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😵 because what sport is the most popular in a country is responsible for how violent the citizens are?
 
Obviously not. Soccer doesn't kill people, people do 😀 Many countries including the US are capable of playing soccer and lots of other sports without the fans slaughtering each other at the games and forming armies to kill each other on the streets. Obviously the sport is not to blame for how the fans act.
 
1sikbITCH said:
Obviously not. Soccer doesn't kill people, people do 😀 Many countries including the US are capable of playing soccer and lots of other sports without the fans slaughtering each other at the games and forming armies to kill each other on the streets. Obviously the sport is not to blame for how the fans act.
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So your point is?
 
VtPC83 said:
It's all over the country, you want proof? Let me go door to door and ask people... Get out of the house and play some sports and you'll see. There are FAR more people playing soccer in the US recreationally than the other sports. Especially when you count college and up ages.
I was living in Worcester MA where there were about 4 or so indoor soccer centers within 20 miles of me, all constantly advertising soccer. One of them had 4 indoor fields, one of which was advertised as flag football but they were planning on dropping it because of low interest.
I couldn't find any other football/baseball leagues to play in (though I'll give you that I wasn't looking very hard)... Strangely enough I think I found more male softball leagues than baseball leagues...
The American media only really shows baseball/football etc because that is where the commercial money is right now.
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that isn't proof at all, that is anecdotal evidence.

where I went to school, UMD, there were WAAAYYYY more people playing intrumeral flag football than soccer.

oh and the UMD football team raked in probably 100x more money than the men and womens soccer team combined.

oh and i play on a rec football team every spring/fall and there are about 32 teams or so in the league. the same company that runs it has basketball, volleyball, softball, and kickball leagues. no soccer.

and i live about 1 mile outside of washington dc.
 
1sikbITCH said:
We have our share of criminals and deviants for sure but there is no way 70,000 fans of the home team would decide to rampage and kill all the opposing fans over a football game.
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That's because they are armed. An armed society is a polite society.- Heinlein
 
VtPC83 said:
It's all over the country, you want proof? Let me go door to door and ask people... Get out of the house and play some sports and you'll see. There are FAR more people playing soccer in the US recreationally than the other sports. Especially when you count college and up ages.
I was living in Worcester MA where there were about 4 or so indoor soccer centers within 20 miles of me, all constantly advertising soccer. One of them had 4 indoor fields, one of which was advertised as flag football but they were planning on dropping it because of low interest.
I couldn't find any other football/baseball leagues to play in (though I'll give you that I wasn't looking very hard)... Strangely enough I think I found more male softball leagues than baseball leagues...
The American media only really shows baseball/football etc because that is where the commercial money is right now.
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lot more kids play tag and dodgeball than other sports as well😉

doing and watching are two separate things. soccer is about as inclusive as tag, if you have zero talent you just spend the time running back and forth no on really noticing you aren't doing much of anything. so quite a low barrier to entry. so its kinda popular like yoga...

chuck klosterman broke it down in his book, soccer is the last choice sport for kids who don't like playing sports or facing humiliation.
http://thinklings.org/jared/?post_id=217
 
0roo0roo said:
lot more kids play tag and dodgeball than other sports as well😉

doing and watching are two separate things. soccer is about as inclusive as tag, if you have zero talent you just spend the time running back and forth no on really noticing you aren't doing much of anything. so quite a low barrier to entry. so its kinda popular like yoga...

chuck klosterman broke it down in his book, soccer is the last choice sport for kids who don't like playing sports or facing humiliation.
http://thinklings.org/jared/?post_id=217
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And thats why you know 0 (zero) about football
 
WelshBloke said:
So your point is?
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You didn't even read the post you quoted?

I find it hypocritical that citizens and governments of these "soccer countries" continue to claim some sort of ethical high ground over America while engaging in or allowing these atrocities to continue for over 100 years. THAT was my point.
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A bit of an exaggeration with the description I admit but the sentiment remains. You can't get away from hearing about how fucked up America is all the time from the government leaders, blogs and message boards across the internet as if their own countries are pictures of paradise. Not so much.
 
1sikbITCH said:
You know my point is not about a lone criminal targeting a crowd. In countries where soccer is the main sport, every few years we get a new report of hundreds or thousands of the hooligans going on rampages and killing and injuring hundreds of people just because they are hooligans for the opposing team or just unlucky enough to get caught in the stampede. I've watched the documentaries and there is no F'ing way you'd catch me taking my family to a sporting event in any of those places!

I find it hypocritical that citizens and governments of these "soccer countries" continue to claim some sort of ethical high ground over America while engaging in or allowing these atrocities to continue for over 100 years. THAT was my point.

We have our share of criminals and deviants for sure but there is no way 70,000 fans of the home team would decide to rampage and kill all the opposing fans over a football game. It's unimaginable. Although I admit to having dreamed of it when the Steelers come to town 😀
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I really don't think that the sport itself is what causes the hooliganism. Centuries of rivalries and racial discrimination are the most likely causes in most instances. Just give it a few more decades and Philly Eagle fans will start throwing more than just snowballs filled with ice.
 
Ayrahvon said:
I really don't think that the sport itself is what causes the hooliganism. Centuries of rivalries and racial discrimination are the most likely causes in most instances. Just give it a few more decades and Philly Eagle fans will start throwing more than just snowballs filled with ice.
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No agreed, its not the sport. The sport is being used as a vehicle by these gangs of thugs in a similar manner as Islam being hijacked by Al-Qaida or the Republican Party being taken over by the "Christian Coalition".

Haha trollin :whiste:
 
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