72 C - too hot ? for AMD 2000 XP

[JasperCat]

It is about 88 F in the room and my CPU is running 72 C unload and 62 resting.

I started having some freeze up yesterday, but don't don't know if it
was my CPU or chaintech GF4-ti4600.

My mother board temp says 33 C.

Should I be worried about 72 C ?

thanks,
Myles

 

[Corporate Thug]

72C is way to hot. are you on stock voltage? what heatsink are you using? how many fans?

 

[Rotax]

hmmm even if the mobo reads high temps, thats a wee bit high. if it was my pc i'd be worried. if your mobo temps that low, u have some problem w/ your hs/fan?? possibly.. generally i don't get load temps much over lower 40s w/ low 30s case temps, which doesn't mean much form 1 sys to another but.. imo 62 idle is quite high for 'idle'. i'd look into that asap.

edit: and i'd surely guess that your locking/freezing was due to heat..

 

[JasperCat]

I have ASUS PC Probe and it says :

CPU 62 C
MB 39 C
CPU Fan 4963
+12V = 12.16
+5V = 4.862
+3.3V = 3.296
VCORE = 1.76

This is an A7V333 MB and teh case in an Enermax. There is one fan on the power supply
one fan below that. There is also a fan at the lower front corner of the left side case.
Holes along the case sides where the bays are. And of course a heatsink + fan on the CPU.

CPU is retail. This box is unaltered and no overclocking. PC is 1 year old. Built at local computer
store near Seattle www.computerstop.com

I haven't had lockups in until the last couple days when it got hot here.

Right now I have the case door off as I way clearing out some dust.

So - what can I look into?

Thanks,
Myles


One other thing - recently I moved my case off the floor to up on the desk. It is now near the monitor
and but has a good 4 - 5 inches clearance. When it was on the floor there was no other heat source near
it.

 

[mechBgon]

The A7V333 and A7V333-R estimate the temperature higher than most other motherboards, using the older BIOSes at least. If you update the BIOS to 1012 or later, you're going to see a drop in the estimated temperatures, but that doesn't mean the CPU is actually running cooler.

Considering your high room temperature, I don't think there's anything inherently the matter with your A7V333 (assuming it has a BIOS from a year ago, and not one of the recent ones). If you want better cooling, I would ordinarily recommend a Thermalright SK-7, but not for an A7V333! I have a dead A7V333-R here illustrating why not (it has surface-mounted devices in the path of the heatsink clip, which the SK-7's wide 3-lug clip will peel off the mobo :Q). Instead, you might consider looking for a used Alpha PAL6035 in the For Sale/Trade forum, with a mid-speed 60mm fan. Make sure to use top-quality thermal grease, and make sure to put the heatsink on with its stepped end over the solid-plastic, raised end of the CPU socket.

 

[JasperCat]

Well I got the compressed air out and tried to clean the heatsink/fan as best a possible ( I lost my small straw for
the compressed air so it was not the good a job ).

My new resting temp is 52 C and it climbs to 57 C during play. That is with the case side off -
not sure if it will rise or drop with the case side on.

I need to do a better job cleaning - I could not see any of the heatsink ridges behind the fan
as they were covered with dust. Should I use anything else besides the compressed
air to clean them ?

- Thanks,
Myles

 

[0roo0roo]

case side off only helps if your case has lousy airflow.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Let's see those temps with the case closed. If they go back up, you need some case cooling (fans). It looks like that's a Palomino, not a Thoroughbred...Do you have any idea which it is? I would assume Palomino because of the higher voltage, but it might just that you can lower that VCore if it's a TBred (probably not the case if you've never messed with it). This is besides the fact that your case temps weren't that bad before...Maybe a new HSF?

 

[chin311]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
case side off only helps if your case has lousy airflow.

yeah, if you have crappy airflow, your temps will be BETTER with the side off....

yet, if you have GOOD airflow, they will be WORSE with the side off....

sounds like you need some better airflow in your case

 

[JasperCat]

OK - THanks.

Case temp with caseside on is 50 C - so alittle cooler than with the side off - good.

I think still need to clean the heatsink behind the HSF better - can I safely
unscrew the fan and used compressed air to clear the heatsink of dust?

- Myles

Also - I think this CPU was just prior to the T-Birds coming out.

 

[ScrewFace]

72 degrees Celsius?!? Turn off your computer immediately or you're going to burn you Athlon out in no time. Get an Antec Aeroflow or a CoolerMaster Aero7/Aero7+ pronto! Even look into buying a small air-conditioner (5200 BTUs) and using to cool your CPU and motherboard components. I'm at 2.25 volts and the temps of my Athlon XP 2400+ at 2.6GHz (13x200) are 5 C for the motherboard and 19 C for my CPU. I hoped I have helped you.

 

[anUglySOB]

Oh please. It isn't that big of a deal. If it's a pally, it's safe all the way to 90C. I've had my T-Bred B 1800 up to 70C no problem. I wanted to test out MBM to make sure it would actually turn my machine off if something went wrong, so I unpluggd my HS, and ran folding for a while. :-/

Asus Probe is the worst program for monitoring temps. Go with MBM5, definitely. Probe tells me that my HS randomly spins at -25000 RPM, then goes right back to 5300 like it belongs. It told me that all of my vrails dropped to half of what they were supposed to be, and the machine was still running fine. Yeah, something seems kinda odd about that to me....

 

[0roo0roo]

well athlons are rated up to 90c i believe.

anyhow, i use a hcc-002 copy heatsink on my palo 2000xp. its a dinky little coolermaster heatsink. i replaced the fan with a 2000rpm vantec stealth 60mm that only does 12cfm i istll get good temps. 55~ most of the time.

2 92mm intake, 1 80mm intake, 1 80mm exhaust. and two fans in psu exhaust. all running at very low rpm thanks to a fanbus. 2 60mm in rear for exhaust i didn't connect, too much overkill i have the knobs set at about 25%. at max speed its like a wind tunnel, then again it sounds like one too. slice and dice your case if you have to, i'm sure theres room.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: anUglySOB
Oh please. It isn't that big of a deal. If it's a pally, it's safe all the way to 90C. I've had my T-Bred B 1800 up to 70C no problem. I wanted to test out MBM to make sure it would actually turn my machine off if something went wrong, so I unpluggd my HS, and ran folding for a while. :-/

Just cos somethings rated to work at 90*c does`nt necessarily mean that its ok to run it at that level.
Sure it`ll run supposidly fine, but it`ll be less stable, have a shorter component life, ect;

I get the impression that you are not the safest of people, regarding pc hardware. Next you`ll be telling us that you`ve brought a GF FX5800Ultra, and are running it stabily wo/ any cooling on it whatsoever

 

[m305]

your probly should just get a new heatsink and fan if its that dirty anless its a good 1

do u know wat kind of heatsink and fan u have?

 

[deerslayer]

Pick yourself up a can of compressed air with the little straw, or see if you can find one. Cleaning out the case/heatsink will probably help out your temperatures quite a bit.

If you're still not happy with the temps, or they are still excessively high, I would take mech's advice and look for an alpha to replace whatever cooler you have now

 

[1sikbITCH]

JasperCat, if you missed my earlier post, I'll sum it up for you. My wife's Athlon was at 70+ also. I shut it down, ripped it apart and completely cleaned TONS of dust and dog hair out of the fans, including the CPU fan. I wiped the chip off and applied fresh thermal paste. I tied the cables up, cut an extra fan hole in the top and one in the side, and hooked it back up.

Now mobo = 31 celcius
CPU = 42 celcius.

It was mostly the cleaning that helped.

 

[kaZ8Teen]

ya, cleaning helps alot. i just got done cleaning mine, it was at 70c, now i believe its at 42c.

 

[touchmyichi]

get yourself a nice coolermaster HAC-81 for 15 bucks and that should solve everything. You might of also installed ur hsf wrong.

 

[Xtian]

In most houses the temperature on the floor is considerably cooler than the
temp on the desk level.
The no cost solution, put it back on the floor.
The disadvantage on the floor, especially if you use carpets, is dust buildup that
blocks the airflow.
The trusty old vacuum will fix that.
In your case the prob must be the CPU HSF. It must be very dirty unless you
use a left over HSF from an old 486 or something.

/xtian

 

[boran]

Originally posted by: BoomAM

Originally posted by: anUglySOB
Oh please. It isn't that big of a deal. If it's a pally, it's safe all the way to 90C. I've had my T-Bred B 1800 up to 70C no problem. I wanted to test out MBM to make sure it would actually turn my machine off if something went wrong, so I unpluggd my HS, and ran folding for a while. :-/

Just cos somethings rated to work at 90*c does`nt necessarily mean that its ok to run it at that level.
Sure it`ll run supposidly fine, but it`ll be less stable, have a shorter component life, ect;

I get the impression that you are not the safest of people, regarding pc hardware. Next you`ll be telling us that you`ve brought a GF FX5800Ultra, and are running it stabily wo/ any cooling on it whatsoever

as always, the max temp it will SURVIVE is 90°C (85°C on some)

generally speaking around 60°C is max temp for operating, you're terribly lucky yer proc even works at 72°C, hell I think it is one hell of an overclocking processor you have tehre, bet that baby can get 500 Mhz more out of it, ... if you manage to cool the thing down to the 40°C which it is supposed to be with air...

 

[NesuD]

you have to blow the dust out of the heatsink at regular intervals with the 2000+ retail cooler. It is a thinfin design and get plucced up fairly easily.

 

[0roo0roo]

case windows are suddenly useful u can see the dust!

guess i cheated with my other xp2000+ no thin fins its a tually celly heatsink,

makes up for thick things with insane size.