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71-Year-Old lady Mauled To Death by Pitbull dog

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I guess you could really take you pick of hundreds of cases each year of Pitbull dogs killing or severly injuring people of all ages.

I realize their are Pitbull owners who take very very very good care of their dog and so that dog should really not be unfairly grouped in with the bad Pitbulls.

Pitbulls in my opinion are just too agressive and dangerous a breed of dog to allow the general population to own these creatures, without some qualifying training of both owner and dog. I don't like banning things. But something has got to give with this. These horrific stories are happening all over the Country.

I believe the statistic speak for themselves. Too many Pitbulls loose it. They can't deal with neglect. They loose their mind and go berzerk on people. Jumping fences and going on a rampage is a nasty habit Pitbulls to easily pick up when they are neglected by their owners.
 
My brother and one his housemates were attacked by a pit bull once. He told me it took 3 shots from his Glock .40 to put it down, and after the first two it got back up and started attacking again. I'm just glad he happened to have his gun nearby when he was attacked.
 
I have cared for the 5 dogs I've owned over the years.

The US should do as the UK did 10 years ago. Sterilize all fighting breed dogs and permit
no importation of them. Over time the problem is solved as they all die of old age.

Stupid gang bangers breeding dogs is a big part of the problem. They ought to be sterilized too 😛


...Galvanized
 
I just switched homeowners insurance. About half the insurers I contacted asked what type of dog I have (a Heinz) and those that asked had a short list of breeds for which they would just not insure. Hopefully more insurers will follow suit. If the municipalities will not exercise their police powers to bar these dogs under zoning rules, maybe the insurers can push the social cost of them onto their owners.

But insurance costs won't help control the very large number of pit bulls in the inner cities.

 
All you need are laws holding the human owners criminally/financially responsible for their dog's actions.. problem solved.
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
All you need are laws holding the human owners criminally/financially responsible for their dog's actions.. problem solved.
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Not really. Great your dead but now you can sue.
 
Anyone who is found to be breeding a dog to be a fighting dog should mauled to death by other dogs that were forced to live their lives like they were trying to force onto the dog they were abusing.

Fighting dogs should be outlawed and society should euthanize anyone who breeds them that way
 
i read an article awhile back about how people who want to own dogs will often choose which breed they desire based upon how they would like see themselves through the behavioral and physical characteristics of the dog itself.

with that in mind, i casually kept track of owner/dog pairings that i saw on the streets. i was simply amazed at the correlation i found that existed between owner and dog and how the owners wanted to portray themselves when seen with their animals in public.

i realize that there are many other factors that determine which breed of dog a person will choose to own, with practicality usually being the determining factor. and yes, there are those very knowledgable owners who can control such breeds responsibly.

however, whimsically choosing pitbulls as a family or personal pet whilst ignoring the primary functional characteristics that was selectively bred into them seems ludicrous at the least.

it's pretty obvious that some owners of this breed are excited over the idea of owning a potentially dangerous animal, yet completely ignore the risks and responsibility that comes with having them.

from the cases of pitbulls mauling and/or killing humans that i've been exposed to over the years, the usual reaction i see and read from the owners is one of denial, amazement and exasperation that their "loving pet" was capable of doing such grievous harm. in only a couple of instances did the owners take it upon themselves to hold themselves personally responsible for the consequences of their negligence.

holding a dog(s) completely responsible for maimings and killings should not be an acceptable reason for escaping liablility. yet, it's a reaction i've consistently seen when dog-attack stories pop up.
 
I believe that even though many dogs have the instincts to be fighters and protectors that the owners are the disease we have to deal with.. they make the dogs more agressive or more loving.
 
There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

Think about that for a minute. Have you ever met an inherently evil puppy?
 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

Think about that for a minute. Have you ever met an inherently evil puppy?
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i haven't met many puppies. The simple fact is many breeds of dog have been breed to be aggressive.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

Think about that for a minute. Have you ever met an inherently evil puppy?
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i haven't met many puppies. The simple fact is many breeds of dog have been breed to be aggressive.
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By 'breed' do you mean that they evolved to be aggressive over time genetically by virtue of the training they received?

edit: the reason I ask is because on my bed at the moment is a pit/lab mix that I'm baby sitting for my daughter. This one is the most docile dog I've ever seen. My Silkies keep her in line.. hehehehe but then they think they are Mooses or something very large..
 
Excellent feedback!

I own an Australian Cattle Dog (blue healer) who trusts absolutely no other ;iving thing accept those he has been sort of "blue-printed" on to protect as a part of his "herd". Fortunately with this breed the defense response is that of a herding guard dog. Meaning violence is an extreme last resort. Barking, spitting, acting vicious in this case is a ritual behavior designed to frighten off predators. Flat out instant attacks to kill an instruder are foolish, if frightening them will work equally well in 99% of cases. Dogs are decendent from wolves. There's an understanding there about survival in the wild. A threat gives an opponent a clear way out of a confrontation. Both sides have a strong survival instinct that recognizes an injury could eventually kill them.

Next point. Breeding weighs in on this as much as personal care given to each individual dog.

Case in point. Grizzly Bears.

Expert trainer have taken grizzly bears and made them gentle giants. But they know the risk associated with the creature's instincts and nature. So does the general public. There is a certain amount of respect given to even the most gentle trained bear because of the knowledge of what their hard-wired instinctive capabilities are.

In conclusion. It looks like the most reasonable thing to do about Pitbulls and perhaps some other breeds that are breed primarily to fight other dogs in gambling matches, is first of all clearly catagorize them as high risk dog breeds. Then go from there with some fair and square solutions. Like grandfathering in all laws to ban certain breeds in certain areas like cities.

This women who was mauled to death was known to have stated she feared for her life! And the owners of that pitbull lived a clearly irresponsible lifestyle. Local Government did has a clear role to play in this case.

Increasing the dog owner's responsibilities to the level of transfering a first degree murder charge to the owner of these homicidal Pitbulls would require proving these dogs were put there to kill that lady. But manslaughter charges should apply to the owner in my opinion. Yes that would reduce the numer of these cases.

The vigilante justice response to the dangerous dogs in this case would have been to threaten the owner with retribution. After it was determined that owner was incorrigable and just let his Pitbulls stay loose to threaten that women. I leave that to those of you who understand such principles.
 
We have a 200 pound English Mastiff that's very intimidating looking, but he acts like a big baby. It's all in how you raise the dog.
 
Think about that for a minute. Have you ever met an inherently evil puppy?
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Irrelevant. The dogs aren't evil. Think about that for a minute.

How many times, after one of these incidents, have you heard a variation of this...
"I don't understand, he's such a good dog."
or this
"My dog would never do something like that."

I worked with a guy whose son went to retrieve his basketball in his neighbor's yard. They had to beat the dog over it's head to get him off the kid. The kid lost his leg. Now I know what a lot of you will say, "Stupid kid shouldn't have gone on the property." He's just a little boy who wanted his ball back.

Think about this a minute, with most dogs, *if* they snap (step on it's tail, baby pulls it's ear, whatever), you might get stitches. *If* one of these dogs snap, you die.

Ban them.



 
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

Think about that for a minute. Have you ever met an inherently evil puppy?
Click to expand...

i haven't met many puppies. The simple fact is many breeds of dog have been breed to be aggressive.
Click to expand...

By 'breed' do you mean that they evolved to be aggressive over time genetically by virtue of the training they received?
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No. I mean the most agressive dogs in a group were selected and breed together, reinforcing there agressiveness. While this in not the case necessarily witth pitbulls, it is with some other notorious dogs. Pitbulls iirc were breed for stength.
 
I worked with a guy whose son went to retrieve his basketball in his neighbor's yard. They had to beat the dog over it's head to get him off the kid. The kid lost his leg. Now I know what a lot of you will say, "Stupid kid shouldn't have gone on the property." He's just a little boy who wanted his ball back.
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Years ago my dad told me of a dog incident a friend of his had. His friend came home to find his son barrackaded in his room because the family Doberman Pincher went nutz. So my dad's friends did some shuffling around the house to get his gun(a high caliber pistol) and the dog seperated enough from his son's room for the dad to get into the room and find out exactly what the heck is going on. The son said the dog turned on him like it went insane. So dad readied his pistol and told son to open the door...
 
Originally posted by: Gaard
Think about that for a minute. Have you ever met an inherently evil puppy?
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Irrelevant. The dogs aren't evil. Think about that for a minute.

How many times, after one of these incidents, have you heard a variation of this...
"I don't understand, he's such a good dog."
or this
"My dog would never do something like that."

I worked with a guy whose son went to retrieve his basketball in his neighbor's yard. They had to beat the dog over it's head to get him off the kid. The kid lost his leg. Now I know what a lot of you will say, "Stupid kid shouldn't have gone on the property." He's just a little boy who wanted his ball back.

Think about this a minute, with most dogs, *if* they snap (step on it's tail, baby pulls it's ear, whatever), you might get stitches. *If* one of these dogs snap, you die.

Ban them.
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You should see a doctor about that knee. It must hurt from all the jerking it's doing.
 
I think dogs take after their owners. My Cairn Terrier was as nice as could be unless you tried to throw him off a chair or make him do something he didn't want to do, or stupidly tired to pick him up in a tense moment. I have a bunch of scars on my hands from when he's go psycho. I called him everything in the book but I just couldn't make that bastard hate himself. His teeth always pointed to the fact that the problem was me.
 
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