700 NYC Teachers Are Paid to Do Nothing

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700 NYC Teachers Are Paid to Do Nothing
Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Associated Press

NEW YORK ? Hundreds of New York City public school teachers accused of offenses ranging from insubordination to sexual misconduct are being paid their full salaries to sit around all day playing Scrabble, surfing the Internet or just staring at the wall, if that's what they want to do.

Because their union contract makes it extremely difficult to fire them, the teachers have been banished by the school system to its "rubber rooms" ? off-campus office space where they wait months, even years, for their disciplinary hearings.

The 700 or so teachers can practice yoga, work on their novels, paint portraits of their colleagues ? pretty much anything but school work. They have summer vacation just like their classroom colleagues and enjoy weekends and holidays through the school year.

"You just basically sit there for eight hours," said Orlando Ramos, who spent seven months in a rubber room, officially known as a temporary reassignment center, in 2004-05. "I saw several near-fights. `This is my seat.' `I've been sitting here for six months.' That sort of thing."

Ramos was an assistant principal in East Harlem when he was accused of lying at a hearing on whether to suspend a student. Ramos denied the allegation but quit before his case was resolved and took a job in California.

Because the teachers collect their full salaries of $70,000 or more, the city Department of Education estimates the practice costs the taxpayers $65 million a year. The department blames union rules.

"It is extremely difficult to fire a tenured teacher because of the protections afforded to them in their contract," spokeswoman Ann Forte said.

City officials said that they make teachers report to a rubber room instead of sending they home because the union contract requires that they be allowed to continue in their jobs in some fashion while their cases are being heard. The contract does not permit them to be given other work.

Ron Davis, a spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers, said the union and the Department of Education reached an agreement last year to try to reduce the amount of time educators spend in reassignment centers, but progress has been slow.

"No one wants teachers who don't belong in the classroom. However, we cannot neglect the teachers' rights to due process," Davis said. The union represents more than 228,000 employees, including nearly 90,000 teachers.

Many teachers say they are being punished because they ran afoul of a vindictive boss or because they blew the whistle when somebody fudged test scores.

"The principal wants you out, you're gone," said Michael Thomas, a high school math teacher who has been in a reassignment center for 14 months after accusing an assistant principal of tinkering with test results.

City education officials deny teachers are unfairly targeted but say there has been an effort under Mayor Michael Bloomberg to get incompetents out of the classroom. "There's been a push to report anything that you see wrong," Forte said.

Some other school systems likewise pay teachers to do nothing.

The Los Angeles district, the nation's second-largest school system with 620,000 students, behind New York's 1.1 million, said it has 178 teachers and other staff members who are being "housed" while they wait for misconduct charges to be resolved.

Similarly, Mimi Shapiro, who is now retired, said she was assigned to sit in what Philadelphia calls a "cluster office." "They just sit you in a room in a hard chair," she said, "and you just sit."

Teacher advocates say New York's rubber rooms are more extensive than anything that exists elsewhere.

Teachers awaiting disciplinary hearings around the nation typically are sent home, with or without pay, Karen Horwitz, a former Chicago-area teacher who founded the National Association for the Prevention of Teacher Abuse. Some districts find non-classroom work ? office duties, for example ? for teachers accused of misconduct.

New York City's reassignment centers have existed since the late 1990s, Forte said. But the number of employees assigned to them has ballooned since Bloomberg won more control over the schools in 2002. Most of those sent to rubber rooms are teachers; others are assistant principals, social workers, psychologists and secretaries.

Once their hearings are over, they are either sent back to the classroom or fired. But because their cases are heard by 23 arbitrators who work only five days a month, stints of two or three years in a rubber room are common, and some teachers have been there for five or six.

The nickname refers to the padded cells of old insane asylums. Some teachers say that is fitting, since some of the inhabitants are unstable and don't belong in the classroom. They add that being in a rubber room itself is bad for your mental health.

"Most people in that room are depressed," said Jennifer Saunders, a high school teacher who was in a reassignment center from 2005 to 2008. Saunders said she was charged with petty infractions in an effort to get rid of her: "I was charged with having a student sit in my class with a hat on, singing."

The rubber rooms are monitored, some more strictly than others, teachers said.

"There was a bar across the street," Saunders said. "Teachers would sneak out and hang out there for hours."

Judith Cohen, an art teacher who has been in a rubber room near Madison Square Garden for three years, said she passes the time by painting watercolors of her fellow detainees.

"The day just seemed to crawl by until I started painting," Cohen said, adding that others read, play dominoes or sleep. Cohen said she was charged with using abusive language when a girl cut her with scissors.

Some sell real estate, earn graduate degrees or teach each other yoga and tai chi.

David Suker, who has been in a Brooklyn reassignment center for three months, said he has used the time to plan summer trips to Alaska, Cape Cod and Costa Rica. Suker said he was falsely accused of throwing a girl's test sign-up form in the garbage during an argument.

"It's sort of peaceful knowing that you're going to work to do nothing," he said.

Philip Nobile is a journalist who has written for New York Magazine and the Village Voice and is known for his scathing criticism of public figures. A teacher at Brooklyn's Cobble Hill School of American Studies, Nobile was assigned to a rubber room in 2007, "supposedly for pushing a boy while I was breaking up a fight." He contends the school system is retaliating against him for exposing wrongdoing.

He is spending his time working on his case and writing magazine articles and a novel.

"This is what happens to political prisoners throughout history," he said, alluding to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. "They put us in prison and we write our `Letter From the Birmingham Jail.'"

 

Crono

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They should make them do some light work while there, or make them study their course material. Kinda like detention for teachers.
 

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Originally posted by: Crono
They should make them do some light work while there, or make them study their course material. Kinda like detention for teachers.

the union contract requires that they be allowed to continue in their jobs in some fashion while their cases are being heard. The contract does not permit them to be given other work.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused

the union contract requires that they be allowed to continue in their jobs in some fashion while their cases are being heard. The contract does not permit them to be given other work.

Shifted the bolding for you. As long as it's relevant to their former work (teaching students), couldn't they be made to prepare course materials, hone their teaching skills, etc?
 

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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Amused

the union contract requires that they be allowed to continue in their jobs in some fashion while their cases are being heard. The contract does not permit them to be given other work.

Shifted the bolding for you. As long as it's relevant to their former work (teaching students), couldn't they be made to prepare course materials, hone their teaching skills, etc?

They were pulled from their classes and teaching for a reason.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Amused

the union contract requires that they be allowed to continue in their jobs in some fashion while their cases are being heard. The contract does not permit them to be given other work.

Shifted the bolding for you. As long as it's relevant to their former work (teaching students), couldn't they be made to prepare course materials, hone their teaching skills, etc?

They were pulled from their classes and teaching for a reason.

I get that, but as long as they are sitting around doing nothing and are not fired, they could (even under contract) be made to study. Getting a check for doing nothing doesn't seem fair.
Ideally, the union contracts need to be rewritten, but until then I don't see why they have free time of long periods like that.
 

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old news
http://www.thisamericanlife.or...isode.aspx?episode=350 click for streaming audio or buy
and good episode of this american life.

350: Human Resources

The true story of little-known rooms in the New York City Board of Education building. Teachers are told to report there instead of their classrooms. No reason is usually given. When they arrive, they find they've been put on some kind of probationary status, and they must report every day until the matter is cleared up. They call it the Rubber Room. Average length of stay? Months, sometimes years. Plus other stories of the uneasy interaction between humans and their institutions.

The Rubber Room story was produced by Joe Richman and the good people at Radio Diaries.

Note: we're doing the Rubber Room story with some filmmakers who are making a feature-length documentary about the Rubber Room. Learn more here.


Prologue.

Host Ira Glass talks with a veteran Human Resources administrator about what it's like to fire people, and why it helps if you don't actually use the word "fire." (7 minutes)

Act One. Rubber Room.

We hear from New York City school teachers about a secret room in the New York City Board of Education building. Teachers are told to report there, and when they arrive, they find out they're under investigation for something. They have to wait in this room all day, every day, until the matter is cleared up. They call this bureaucratic purgatory "the rubber room." Some teachers have been stuck in it for years.


This story was produced by Joe Richman, Samara Freemark, and Anayansi Diaz Cortes of Radio Diaries.

We first heard about the rubber room from a documentary by Jeremy Garrett. There's a trailer at rubberroommovie.com. Jeremy's looking for funding to finish the film, and a distributor. (23 minutes)

Song: "Waiting Room," Fugazi


Act Two. The Plan.

American cities have gone through a massive wave of gentrification in the last few decades. To some people, it's not a natural ebb and flow of the real estate market, but a plot, by rich, mainly white people, to take over the neighborhoods of poor, mainly black people. This American Life producer Jon Jeter reports on how, in neighborhoods all over the country, the plot has a name, "The Plan," and most people you talk to know about it. (11 minutes)

Song: "Don't Worry about the Government," Talking Heads


Act Three. Almost Human Resources.

Reporter Charles Siebert talks with Ira about retirement homes for Chimpanzees. Yes, retirement homes for Chimpanzees. There are thousands of aging chimps in the US: retired chimp actors, ex-research subjects, abandoned pets. They can't be put back in the wild since they don't know how to survive there. Charles Siebert visited many of the facilities where they're housed, often in rooms, with TV's and 3 meals a day. He's writing a book about his experiences called Humanzee. (11 minutes)

Song: "Monkey in a Zoo," Daniel Johnston
 

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Is it ironic that people could complain about this while posting to ATOT or P&N in the middle of the day?
 

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Tenure is a flawed concept.

Yep.

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Is it ironic that people could complain about this while posting to ATOT or P&N in the middle of the day?

Who says we are at work? Some of us are on forced layoff.
 

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But because their cases are heard by 23 arbitrators who work only five days a month, stints of two or three years in a rubber room are common, and some teachers have been there for five or six.

5 days a month? Sounds like an ISD issue as well.
 

FelixDeCat

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Whats wrong with American education:

Spending unlimited amounts of money on the bottomless pit of "education".

Teachers unions.

Paying them to do nothing because its too hard to fire them.

:thumbsdown:
 

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Google "Rubber Room This American Life" for a quality story about this. Very interesting. It's worth a listen.
 
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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Whats wrong with American education:

Spending unlimited amounts of money on the bottomless pit of "education".

Teachers unions.

Paying them to do nothing because its too hard to fire them.

:thumbsdown:

Yep.... it's all the union's fault.

God forbid people try to use all in their power to maximize their compensation and job security :roll:

The problems of public education cannot be sloughed off on one source. It's an amalgam of problems, between parents that don't instill the value of education in their children, crappy teachers, bloated bureaucracy, improper use of funds, etc....
 

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Whats wrong with American education:

Spending unlimited amounts of money on the bottomless pit of "education".

Teachers unions.

Paying them to do nothing because its too hard to fire them.

:thumbsdown:

Yep.... it's all the union's fault.

God forbid people try to use all in their power to maximize their compensation and job security :roll:

The problems of public education cannot be sloughed off on one source. It's an amalgam of problems, between parents that don't instill the value of education in their children, crappy teachers, bloated bureaucracy, improper use of funds, etc....

I'm no huge fan of unions, but:

Originally posted by: microAmp
But because their cases are heard by 23 arbitrators who work only five days a month, stints of two or three years in a rubber room are common, and some teachers have been there for five or six.

5 days a month? Sounds like an ISD issue as well.

There's the real problem. Improve the system handling the claims so they're either back to work or out on their ass within 60 days or something.
 

torpid

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So the real issue is that there is a serious shortage of arbitrators, it seems. Without that, there wouldn't be such long periods of time in the rubber room. That is the bottleneck. Bellyache about unions and all that other stuff all you want... I don't think they are the problem (unless they are the ones bottlenecking the arbitration).
 

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Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Is it ironic that people could complain about this while posting to ATOT or P&N in the middle of the day?

IIRC the OP owns his own business so it is really up to him when he feels like posting on and reading ATOT.
 

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This story is a repost from P&N. It's been discussed over there for a couple of days...and even that one is a repost of sorts...it's an old story...made "new" again.

As always, the union haters blame the union, while in reality, the problem is caused by

But because their cases are heard by 23 arbitrators who work only five days a month, stints of two or three years in a rubber room are common, and some teachers have been there for five or six.

The state and the school district need to fix the system for hearing these complaints. The delay in arbitration is a common problem however. When I was a business agent, we often had to wait a month to get in front of the arbitrator because there just weren't enough of them to hear all the complaints.

When I'd file charges against a company for contract violations, that had to go to a State Board of Adjustment (another arbitrator) and often it took 6-8 weeks. There was one company that was a constant violator, and we had almost a standing appointment at the BOA...and I NEVER lost with them...their superintendents hated me because they KNEW if I showed up, it was gonna cost them several thousands of dollars. :D
 

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my friend did teach for america and said that the argument that teachers need to be paid more is horseshit. their lifestyle is actually really nice (but im sure they like to bitch). obviously, though, there are some teachers who are quite good and go way above and beyond what they're paid to, but that doesn't mean that all teachers should be paid more.
 

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Originally posted by: maziwanka
my friend did teach for america and said that the argument that teachers need to be paid more is horseshit. their lifestyle is actually really nice (but im sure they like to bitch).

America hired him?

 

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Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Is it ironic that people could complain about this while posting to ATOT or P&N in the middle of the day?

how so? People don't get breaks nor have ability to post while something else is going on?