$70,000 Luxury Sedans: Phaeton, A8, S-Class, 7-Series, XJ8, LS430

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I give mucho kudos to Ford/Jaguar: they used some cool tech to bring out an "Audi-esque" alluminum space-frame, and the car is simply gorgeous.

Thumbs down to Toyota/Lexus: They have the money and the engineering resources to combine their legendary reliability with a true BMW-beating sports sedan line, yet they have failed to do so. They continue to produce land yachts. The IS and GS-series are weak attempts!

If and when Toyota gets its act together and produces a truly capable sports sedan: bye-bye BMW!

I really wonder what the heck would the next GS model look like. I mean, the current model is immaculutly gorgeous... how can you replace something that is perfect? (well, I think the interior would appreciate some makeover).
And what the hell is up with the IS, they are introducing the IS430??? sigh, what's up with this "V8s in entry-level sedans" trend. so a C-55 AMG coupe and M3 with 4.5 V8 is on its way too?

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
i'm also surprised that hte phaeton was second last...considering its the newest car in the segment.

poor VW...

and why can't Lexus offer an option to NOT have grey plastic in the center console on the dash?? Im not doubting its quality...but it sure looks ugly with the grey.

I totally agree with that, grey plastic has got to be the cheapest looking. Black is so much better. They should have tested the VW Phaeton with the W12 engine, maybe it would have scored higher.

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I give mucho kudos to Ford/Jaguar: they used some cool tech to bring out an "Audi-esque" alluminum space-frame, and the car is simply gorgeous.

Thumbs down to Toyota/Lexus: They have the money and the engineering resources to combine their legendary reliability with a true BMW-beating sports sedan line, yet they have failed to do so. They continue to produce land yachts. The IS and GS-series are weak attempts!

If and when Toyota gets its act together and produces a truly capable sports sedan: bye-bye BMW!

I really wonder what the heck would the next GS model look like. I mean, the current model is immaculutly gorgeous... how can you replace something that is perfect? (well, I think the interior would appreciate some makeover).
And what the hell is up with the IS, they are introducing the IS430??? sigh, what's up with this "V8s in entry-level sedans" trend. so a C-55 AMG coupe and M3 with 4.5 V8 is on its way too?

I thought the IS430 was only a concept car and would never make it to mass production? I would hardly call the C55 AMG and the M3 entry level sedans though. The S4 also boasts a 4.2 V8 aluminum block.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I give mucho kudos to Ford/Jaguar: they used some cool tech to bring out an "Audi-esque" alluminum space-frame, and the car is simply gorgeous.

Thumbs down to Toyota/Lexus: They have the money and the engineering resources to combine their legendary reliability with a true BMW-beating sports sedan line, yet they have failed to do so. They continue to produce land yachts. The IS and GS-series are weak attempts!

If and when Toyota gets its act together and produces a truly capable sports sedan: bye-bye BMW!

I really wonder what the heck would the next GS model look like. I mean, the current model is immaculutly gorgeous... how can you replace something that is perfect? (well, I think the interior would appreciate some makeover).
And what the hell is up with the IS, they are introducing the IS430??? sigh, what's up with this "V8s in entry-level sedans" trend. so a C-55 AMG coupe and M3 with 4.5 V8 is on its way too?

GS? Perfect? Hardly! But I took look forward to the next-gen version, hoping it has more BMW in it than Mercedes.

IS430? Won't ever go into production. A totally new IS will debut in late 2004 as a 2005 model.

The next-gen M3 will get the 400hp V8 from the last M5. The next-gen M5 will get a 500hp V10. And you forgot to mention the Audi S4 with its 4.2L V8.

 

[EvilYoda]

Interesting read, definitely interesting in how different they sounded between #3 (BMW) and #1-#2 (Lexus and Jaguar)

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I give mucho kudos to Ford/Jaguar: they used some cool tech to bring out an "Audi-esque" alluminum space-frame, and the car is simply gorgeous.

Thumbs down to Toyota/Lexus: They have the money and the engineering resources to combine their legendary reliability with a true BMW-beating sports sedan line, yet they have failed to do so. They continue to produce land yachts. The IS and GS-series are weak attempts!

If and when Toyota gets its act together and produces a truly capable sports sedan: bye-bye BMW!

I really wonder what the heck would the next GS model look like. I mean, the current model is immaculutly gorgeous... how can you replace something that is perfect? (well, I think the interior would appreciate some makeover).
And what the hell is up with the IS, they are introducing the IS430??? sigh, what's up with this "V8s in entry-level sedans" trend. so a C-55 AMG coupe and M3 with 4.5 V8 is on its way too?

GS? Perfect? Hardly! But I took look forward to the next-gen version, hoping it has more BMW in it than Mercedes.

IS430? Won't ever go into production. A totally new IS will debut in late 2004 as a 2005 model.

The next-gen M3 will get the 400hp V8 from the last M5. The next-gen M5 will get a 500hp V10. And you forgot to mention the Audi S4 with its 4.2L V8.

It is sad to see that the redesigned S4 (well at least with a new engine) will go obsolete so quickly when the new M3 debuts. It will get interesting as Audi brings the RS4 here though (if it ever makes it here), with it's twin turbo charged V6 3.0 engine...yummy.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I give mucho kudos to Ford/Jaguar: they used some cool tech to bring out an "Audi-esque" alluminum space-frame, and the car is simply gorgeous.

Thumbs down to Toyota/Lexus: They have the money and the engineering resources to combine their legendary reliability with a true BMW-beating sports sedan line, yet they have failed to do so. They continue to produce land yachts. The IS and GS-series are weak attempts!

If and when Toyota gets its act together and produces a truly capable sports sedan: bye-bye BMW!

I really wonder what the heck would the next GS model look like. I mean, the current model is immaculutly gorgeous... how can you replace something that is perfect? (well, I think the interior would appreciate some makeover).
And what the hell is up with the IS, they are introducing the IS430??? sigh, what's up with this "V8s in entry-level sedans" trend. so a C-55 AMG coupe and M3 with 4.5 V8 is on its way too?

Next generation GS:

http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/lf_s/pages/1.htm

I'd hit it!!!!

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I give mucho kudos to Ford/Jaguar: they used some cool tech to bring out an "Audi-esque" alluminum space-frame, and the car is simply gorgeous.

Thumbs down to Toyota/Lexus: They have the money and the engineering resources to combine their legendary reliability with a true BMW-beating sports sedan line, yet they have failed to do so. They continue to produce land yachts. The IS and GS-series are weak attempts!

If and when Toyota gets its act together and produces a truly capable sports sedan: bye-bye BMW!

I really wonder what the heck would the next GS model look like. I mean, the current model is immaculutly gorgeous... how can you replace something that is perfect? (well, I think the interior would appreciate some makeover).
And what the hell is up with the IS, they are introducing the IS430??? sigh, what's up with this "V8s in entry-level sedans" trend. so a C-55 AMG coupe and M3 with 4.5 V8 is on its way too?

Next generation GS:

http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/lf_s/pages/1.htm

I'd hit it!!!!

u'd hit anything thats purple.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Next generation GS:

http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/lf_s/pages/1.htm

I'd hit it!!!!

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holy cow, looks like a Acura TL Back-to-the-Future Style

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I give mucho kudos to Ford/Jaguar: they used some cool tech to bring out an "Audi-esque" alluminum space-frame, and the car is simply gorgeous.

Thumbs down to Toyota/Lexus: They have the money and the engineering resources to combine their legendary reliability with a true BMW-beating sports sedan line, yet they have failed to do so. They continue to produce land yachts. The IS and GS-series are weak attempts!

If and when Toyota gets its act together and produces a truly capable sports sedan: bye-bye BMW!

I really wonder what the heck would the next GS model look like. I mean, the current model is immaculutly gorgeous... how can you replace something that is perfect? (well, I think the interior would appreciate some makeover).
And what the hell is up with the IS, they are introducing the IS430??? sigh, what's up with this "V8s in entry-level sedans" trend. so a C-55 AMG coupe and M3 with 4.5 V8 is on its way too?

Next generation GS:

http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/lf_s/pages/1.htm

I'd hit it!!!!

u'd hit anything thats purple.

Yeah, I love your mom in that purple dress😉












j/k😛

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I give mucho kudos to Ford/Jaguar: they used some cool tech to bring out an "Audi-esque" alluminum space-frame, and the car is simply gorgeous.

Thumbs down to Toyota/Lexus: They have the money and the engineering resources to combine their legendary reliability with a true BMW-beating sports sedan line, yet they have failed to do so. They continue to produce land yachts. The IS and GS-series are weak attempts!

If and when Toyota gets its act together and produces a truly capable sports sedan: bye-bye BMW!

I really wonder what the heck would the next GS model look like. I mean, the current model is immaculutly gorgeous... how can you replace something that is perfect? (well, I think the interior would appreciate some makeover).
And what the hell is up with the IS, they are introducing the IS430??? sigh, what's up with this "V8s in entry-level sedans" trend. so a C-55 AMG coupe and M3 with 4.5 V8 is on its way too?

Next generation GS:

http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/lf_s/pages/1.htm

I'd hit it!!!!

u'd hit anything thats purple.

Yeah, I love your mom in that purple dress😉
j/k😛

hey i made fun of you..not your mom!

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I give mucho kudos to Ford/Jaguar: they used some cool tech to bring out an "Audi-esque" alluminum space-frame, and the car is simply gorgeous.

Thumbs down to Toyota/Lexus: They have the money and the engineering resources to combine their legendary reliability with a true BMW-beating sports sedan line, yet they have failed to do so. They continue to produce land yachts. The IS and GS-series are weak attempts!

If and when Toyota gets its act together and produces a truly capable sports sedan: bye-bye BMW!

I really wonder what the heck would the next GS model look like. I mean, the current model is immaculutly gorgeous... how can you replace something that is perfect? (well, I think the interior would appreciate some makeover).
And what the hell is up with the IS, they are introducing the IS430??? sigh, what's up with this "V8s in entry-level sedans" trend. so a C-55 AMG coupe and M3 with 4.5 V8 is on its way too?

Next generation GS:

http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/lf_s/pages/1.htm

I'd hit it!!!!

u'd hit anything thats purple.

Yeah, I love your mom in that purple dress😉
j/k😛

hey i made fun of you..not your mom!

Low Blow, I know 🙂 Regardless, I'm still surprised the Lexus won...

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

and Phateon came second last.

For a brand new lux sedan, you'd expect that their wouldn't be any body stiffness or quiet ride issues (especially in a car weighing north of 5000lbs :Q)

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
and Phateon came second last.

For a brand new lux sedan, you'd expect that their wouldn't be any body stiffness or quiet ride issues (especially in a car weighing north of 5000lbs :Q)

VW has failed😀

 

[Howard]

Maybe they still have some kinks to work out of the ASF.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Howard
Maybe they still have some kinks to work out of the ASF.

Phateon doesn't share the ASF that A8 has. Its full steel.

 

[SuperTool]

I-drive + Bangle = Perfect Storm 😉

 

[Turkish]

I'll take the Audi A8L.

Thanks.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Howard
Maybe they still have some kinks to work out of the ASF.

Phateon doesn't share the ASF that A8 has. Its full steel.

Maybe they've spent too much time on ASF and forgot how to do steel chassis. 😀