7-Year-Old Migrant Girl Dies Of Dehydration In Border Patrol Custody

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killster1

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That she died of dehydration is a part of the public record. That you can treat dehydration does not take a medical degree. Are you saying that we don't know how to treat dehydration? That it is a mystery to medical science?


oh i didnt see the autopsy didnt even know there was one yet. show me since you have seen
 

mikeymikec

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How is it that you know her death was preventable?

It's my personal belief that people avoid recognizing things as tragedy to facilitate an illusion of control. In this instance, the opportunity for prevention and whether and where neglect has occurred are not appropriately established. Blame may exist, but I don't think blame is productive for learning from error in any case. It functions to reassure those for whom blame does not apply.

"tragedy" isn't the first word that springs to my mind when an organisation tasked with the care of a minor misses the fact that she's dehydrated when only a modicum of attention was required to spot it and only bothers to do something useful when she's on the verge of death.

Yes, she might have died even if border control staff had immediately recognised her symptoms the moment she entered their care. But then 8 hours passed, during which time it's perfectly possible that someone could deteriorate from perfectly healthy to dehydrated even when they haven't been walking through a desert.

I'd bet that any parent in a first-world country whose child dies of dehydration while in their care would be facing criminal charges. The same should happen to whoever is running that facility.
 
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killster1

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"tragedy" isn't the first word that springs to my mind when an organisation tasked with the care of a minor misses the fact that she's dehydrated when only a modicum of attention was required to spot it and only bothers to do something useful when she's on the verge of death.

Yes, she might have died even if border control staff had immediately recognised her symptoms the moment she entered their care. But then 8 hours passed, during which time it's perfectly possible that someone could deteriorate from perfectly healthy to dehydrated even when they haven't been walking through a desert.

I'd bet that any parent in a first-world country whose child dies of dehydration while in their care would be facing criminal charges. The same should happen to whoever is running that facility.

i agree with everything except charging the facility with charges, how do you do that? what one person is to blame? The person in charge of budget? the person in charge of planning the facility size?

you ever heard of a patient refusing treatment? i have no idea what happened i agree it COULD have went down different. But do we know that no one tried to care for her and that she said she was fine? or father said she was fine because worried of separation? i have no idea not going to pretend to know but i can guess many scenarios that would fit both sides. Yes no water for anyone *(we dont even know that they didnt give water just that she supposedly hadn't drank or ate in days (very hard to prove right? maybe she ate or drank and threw it up) so many people pretend to KNOW what COULd have happened with only a bottle of water to save her!
 

IronWing

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What we know was that a child died in Border Patrol custody and we know that Border Patrol failed to provide due care wrt the health a minor in their charge.
 
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pcgeek11

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Neither do you.

As for why a father would bring a child into a desert, I would say based on what we know of Central America...because the desert is better than where they're from. But you knew that I'm sure, just don't care.

I never claimed to.

So going into the desert with no food or water is better than staying in Tijuana or some other Mexican city?

That is insane.
 

pcgeek11

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If your choice is to put your child on the train on the way to one of those "camps" or take your chances traveling multiple days across barren land to escape it's the parents fault. I get it.

Customs or Border Patrol didn't make that choice. It was her fathers choice.
 

pcgeek11

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Who said that the father carries absolutely no responsibility for her situation? No-one. pcgeek11, we're not horses, so stop trying to give us straw.

Would you care to respond to what I actually wrote, or carry on like a broken record?

Also, if you can make an honest and determined attempt to critically analyse the border patrol's part in this situation, I'll be happy to take you up on what happened before they were involved.

I did. As I stated we do not have the facts of what did or did not happen after they were taken into custody.
 

pcgeek11

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Within an hour you went from "we don't know all the facts" to "the facts don't work for you because I know all the facts."

basically: you don't give a fuck about facts. We always knew that. You just want GOP "wins," at whatever cost, and more dead brown people is a major bonus. This is the summary of your entire posting history.


You are so full of shit. I never claimed to know all the facts. Go back and read. There are no details of what happened after they were taken into custody.

The main fact is her father took her into the desert with no food or water for days.
 

SMOGZINN

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sorry they are not arrested, they are detained
And this is called being pedantic.

only children's lives matter? you think people in jail dont die from medical needs EVERYDAY?
No, but it is a child we are talking about, and children need extra care. They require a higher level of attention and higher level of care.

You state that one bottle of water would have saved her and no one around had anything?
I never stated this, I'm sure her needs were much more then just a bottle of water, I'm just stating that medical science is quite capable of handeling even extreme dehydration.

I bet she was sleeping and started seizing, not laying in agony for 8 hours as everyone around looked the other way.

I don't care. She is a child and we don't expect them to know to tell us what is wrong. She should have been evaluated by professional staff that knew what they were doing. Dehydration has obvious signs if you are trained on what to look for, it does not even take that much training. Anyone that has just crossed a desert should be evaluated for it.
 
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WelshBloke

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If you are taking children into custody that you know have been travelling in arduous conditions then you should be medically assessing them and providing for their needs from the moment you take them.

This isn't up for debate.
 
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pcgeek11

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If you are a parent of a child and choose to take them into a desert for days without adequate food and water then you are stupid and are killing your child and possibly yourself too.

They could have / should have remained with the caravan in TJ.
 
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If you are a parent of a child and choose to take them into a desert for days without adequate food and water then you are stupid and are killing your child and possibly yourself too.

They could have / should have remained with the caravan in TJ.

My name is Heinrich Luitpold Himmler , and I approved this message.

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WelshBloke

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If you are a parent of a child and choose to take them into a desert for days without adequate food and water then you are stupid and are killing your child and possibly yourself too.

They could have / should have remained with the caravan in TJ.
If you detain a child and that child dies from lack of medical care whilst in your care then you should be charged with negligent homicide at the least.
 
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pcgeek11

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If you detain a child and that child dies from lack of medical care whilst in your care then you should be charged with negligent homicide at the least.


I'll wait for the actual facts of what happened after they were in custody before jumping to a conclusion. But so far the only one that I know is culpable is her father. As sad as that is, he made a very poor choice and his daughter paid the price.
 

ch33zw1z

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I'll wait for the actual facts of what happened after they were in custody before jumping to a conclusion. But so far the only one that I know is culpable is her father. As sad as that is, he made a very poor choice and his daughter paid the price.

I admire your personal insight into this father's unique life experiences. Tell us, how long have you known him?
 

WelshBloke

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I'll wait for the actual facts of what happened after they were in custody before jumping to a conclusion. But so far the only one that I know is culpable is her father. As sad as that is, he made a very poor choice and his daughter paid the price.
They were in custody, the girl died, I've heard no reports of her having any medical attention prior to her death.

That sounds pretty damning on the authorities.
 

pcgeek11

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I admire your personal insight into this father's unique life experiences. Tell us, how long have you known him?

I don't know him. I know a poor choice when I see one.

Stay in TJ or go into the desert with no food or water... Which would you choose?
 

pcgeek11

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They were in custody, the girl died, I've heard no reports of her having any medical attention prior to her death.

That sounds pretty damning on the authorities.

That is correct you have heard nothing either way.
 

killster1

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And this is called being pedantic.


No, but it is a child we are talking about, and children need extra care. They require a higher level of attention and higher level of care.


I never stated this, I'm sure her needs were much more then just a bottle of water, I'm just stating that medical science is quite capable of handeling even extreme dehydration.



I don't care. She is a child and we don't expect them to know to tell us what is wrong. She should have been evaluated by professional staff that knew what they were doing. Dehydration has obvious signs if you are trained on what to look for, it does not even take that much training. Anyone that has just crossed a desert should be evaluated for it.


I wonder if there perhaps was a child in greater need that actually got attention and survived while she slipped by resting peacefully. Did they have a team of nurses just playing cards and sleeping in the break room and they would get around to it tomorrow when they had a chance? wish we knew right?

Signs of severe dehydration include:
  • Not peeing or having very dark yellow pee.
  • Very dry skin.
  • Feeling dizzy.
  • Rapid heartbeat.
  • Rapid breathing.
  • Sunken eyes.
  • Sleepiness, lack of energy, confusion or irritability.
  • Fainting.
So tell me how you would know a sleeping person is dehydrated? just curious since you say its so OBVIOUS etc etc..
 

WelshBloke

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I wonder if there perhaps was a child in greater need that actually got attention and survived while she slipped by resting peacefully. Did they have a team of nurses just playing cards and sleeping in the break room and they would get around to it tomorrow when they had a chance? wish we knew right?

Signs of severe dehydration include:
  • Not peeing or having very dark yellow pee.
  • Very dry skin.
  • Feeling dizzy.
  • Rapid heartbeat.
  • Rapid breathing.
  • Sunken eyes.
  • Sleepiness, lack of energy, confusion or irritability.
  • Fainting.
So tell me how you would know a sleeping person is dehydrated? just curious since you say its so OBVIOUS etc etc..
Well if you're detaining children that have walked across a desert you should be medically assessing them the moment you take them into custody.