7-Year-Old Migrant Girl Dies Of Dehydration In Border Patrol Custody

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K1052

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Thinking of the sheer number of people, transport was probably limited. I can picture them being detained outside on the ground for hours for processing. A review to understand exactly how / why is fair, but the father is ultimately responsible for killing his kid. If the review finds that we could have acted sooner, and maybe saved her life with different policy - then that's fine. We can try and change things up to stop a "next time".

Does the government have a duty to look after people in it's custody or care? This is hardly the first case of potential indifference or incompetence at CBP likely costing somebody a life.
 
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You don't know that they even knew she was sick until she started having seizures 8 hours later. They were taken into custody at 10 PM started with seizures at 06:45 AM and the family were probably sleeping as it was at night.

Who's fault was it that she went days without food or water, In a remote section of desert country. Her father.

Sorry the facts suck for you but they are what they are.

Within an hour you went from "we don't know all the facts" to "the facts don't work for you because I know all the facts."

basically: you don't give a fuck about facts. We always knew that. You just want GOP "wins," at whatever cost, and more dead brown people is a major bonus. This is the summary of your entire posting history.
 

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Who took his daughter into the desert for days without food or water?

Her Father.

But of course it is anybodies fault but his... /s

My god you people are stupid. Would you take your daughter into a desert for days without food or water? I wouldn't.

There are plenty of places to get food and water in Mexico. They should have gone to anywhere, but the desert.

At this point you have no idea what went on between custody and the discovery of her being sick.
This is pretty much spot on. The father put his child's life at risk and it killed her.
 
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HomerJS

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You righties are a bunch of hypocrites. When the family of Elian Gonzales came from Cuba by boat the trip killed his mother. The mother took their son without his fathers permission. The father tried to get him back and all the righties put up a fight to keep him here even though he had a surviving father who wanted to take him back to Cuba.

Wiling to give Elian aid and comfort yet let's not look out for this girl who just died.
 
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The CBP is ultimately responsible. The article brings up several salient points though.

The child had a severe infection and it appears to be the primary cause of death. An autopsy will confirm the actual cause.
An initial diagnosis by physicians at Providence hospital listed the cause of death as septic shock, fever and dehydration, CBP said.


We don't know at this point if she was given water or a medical exam. If she was severely dehydrated she would have needed an IV. A bottle of water would not have saved her at that point.
Food and water are typically provided to migrants in Border Patrol custody, and it wasn’t immediately clear Thursday if the girl received provisions and a medical exam before the onset of seizures.


The small border station was overwhelmed by 350 people in two days. Was the BP station staffed to handle this many migrants? If, not, how do you staff all of these small BP stations spanning the border of several states?
The small Border Patrol station in Lordsburg received a group of 227 migrants on Thursday, according to CBP, after taking in a group of 123 on Wednesday. Both groups — extremely large by CBP standards — mostly consisted of families and children, according to the agency.
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The child’s death is likely to intensify scrutiny of detention conditions at Border Patrol stations and CBP facilities that are increasingly overwhelmed by large numbers of families seeking asylum in the United States.
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Though much of the political and media attention has focused in recent weeks on migrant caravans arriving at the Tijuana-San Diego border, large numbers of Central Americans continue to cross the border into Texas, Arizona and New Mexico. The groups sometimes spend days in smugglers’ stash houses or walking through remote areas with little food or water before reaching the border.
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On Tuesday, CBP Commissioner Kevin McAleenan said during testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee that the agency’s holding cells are “incompatible” with the new reality of parents with children coming across the border to surrender to agents en masse, requesting asylum.
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“Our Border Patrol stations were built decades ago to handle mostly male single adults in custody, not families and children,” McAleenan told lawmakers.



IMO the article title and first paragraph were misleading and created to insight outrage, which it did. That's OK but at least be accurate up front instead of waiting until the end of the article. Title listed "dehydration, exhaustion" when there was no indication of exhaustion being a factor in her death. The first paragraph listed "dehydration and shock" when it should have clarified septic shock was a major factor. Accuracy makes a big difference.
 

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Maybe, just maybe, it says something about conditions that a father would take a 7-year-old across the desert to reach a country that used to be known as a place of hope and opportunity. Maybe certain people should consider that some of these asylum-seekers could be actually fleeing something horrible, and aren't all rapist gang members hiding fucking terrorists in their invasion caravans.

Nah. To borrow a quote from the Godfather: "These people are just animals anyway."

Half the country will just see this as an effective deterrent to the Brown Menace. Necessary evil, it's a shame but these are tough times, etc.
 

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Maybe, just maybe, it says something about conditions that a father would take a 7-year-old across the desert to reach a country that used to be known as a place of hope and opportunity. Maybe certain people should consider that some of these asylum-seekers could be actually fleeing something horrible, and aren't all rapist gang members hiding fucking terrorists in their invasion caravans.

Nah. To borrow a quote from the Godfather: "These people are just animals anyway."

Half the country will just see this as an effective deterrent to the Brown Menace. Necessary evil, it's a shame but these are tough times, etc.

We're talking about the kind of people who will rage on at pictures of Syrian refugees with smartphones and call them freeloaders and phonies. Obviously they are rich people travelling hundreds of miles in the hope of free hand-outs for life, because that's what most people do with their spare time, and obviously they should have stayed home and made something of themselves because look how risky that journey was! And they take their children on a trip like that?!? What's the matter with these people!!!

For such people the best plan apparently is to ignore all the evidence that might point one in the direction of what a decent and compassionate human being would feel obliged to do in the face of suffering, and accept the evidence that suggests that everyone is as mean-spirited as such people are.
 
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This is obviously an event which will require a thorough review to see what reasonably may have failed or what reasonably may need to be done to prevent future scenarios. I don't see how it is possible for anyone to lay blame for this child's death at anyone's feet at this point.
 

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I don't see how it is possible for anyone to lay blame for this child's death at anyone's feet at this point.

The blame lies at the feet of the people tasked with caring for her. That is how it works with children. That became the US Border Patrol the moment they took her into custody. The question is not who is to blame, it is how much blame do they have. She died of dehydration 8 hours after the US took custody of her. Her death was preventable, and we did not prevent it. That is a lot of blame.
 
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The blame lies at the feet of the people tasked with caring for her. That is how it works with children. That became the US Border Patrol the moment they took her into custody. The question is not who is to blame, it is how much blame do they have. She died of dehydration 8 hours after the US took custody of her. Her death was preventable, and we did not prevent it. That is a lot of blame.

How is it that you know her death was preventable?

It's my personal belief that people avoid recognizing things as tragedy to facilitate an illusion of control. In this instance, the opportunity for prevention and whether and where neglect has occurred are not appropriately established. Blame may exist, but I don't think blame is productive for learning from error in any case. It functions to reassure those for whom blame does not apply.
 
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Maybe being the world's only superpower more should be expected. Perhaps treating people like human beings.

We knew the child had nothing to eat or drink for 8 hours at a minimum. A single bottle of water may have saved her life.

Republicans used to bend over backwards to take in as many Cubans as they could yet they want to turn all these people away.

you think a single bottle of water would have saved her life? wow such a great medical expert, no one around her had anything to drink either? (maybe if a bottle of water save her life then everyone spitting in a cup would have saved her too? ) Yes they should have had 200 people process the 163 illegals and gave each one of them medical treatment, but wait we dont even help our own citizens with medical treatment.

why dont you go out and help americans dying everyday? This was 99.99% the parents fault the rest of the fault goes to the budget of not having 100,000 workers at all times to help process/ give medical attention to terrorists/illegal aliens.
 

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you think a single bottle of water would have saved her life? wow such a great medical expert, no one around her had anything to drink either? (maybe if a bottle of water save her life then everyone spitting in a cup would have saved her too? ) Yes they should have had 200 people process the 163 illegals and gave each one of them medical treatment, but wait we dont even help our own citizens with medical treatment.

why dont you go out and help americans dying everyday? This was 99.99% the parents fault the rest of the fault goes to the budget of not having 100,000 workers at all times to help process/ give medical attention to terrorists/illegal aliens.

Hey, I'm with ya, as soon as Americans start taking care of themselves we'll help them


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killster1

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Her body temperature was 105.7 degrees, either they were keeping them in an environment that was way too hot, or she was seriously ill. Either way someone should have been watching her more closely and intervened before she became critical. Sure her father should not have taken her across a desert without food or water, but he did get her to somewhere with food and water before it became critical, then we prevented him from getting aid for her. That is on us.


the father got her to somewhere with food and water? where was that? the border with nothing around? did they get apprehended in teh line at tacobel?
 

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Because she died 8 hours later from dehydration. 8 hours is plenty of time to treat dehydration.
yes smogzinn was part of the team of DR's who gave her a autopsy, he is accredited and certified at making this decision, along with being a fortuneteller and fast food employee.

they should most likely hook each person to vital machines with alarms also, where do we get teh funding for all this medical treatment tho? our own hospitals are being shut down. I have to drive 45 mins to the nearest hospital where i live and i live in a city.
 
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we dont even help our own citizens with medical treatment.

We do when we arrest them.


This was 99.99% the parents fault the rest of the fault goes to the budget of not having 100,000 workers at all times to help process/ give medical attention to terrorists/illegal aliens.

Perhaps if we hadn't arrested them that parent would have gotten her medical attention? If we had not arrested them and she had died then it would be 99.99% on the parent, but that is not what happened. We arrested them, and then didn't give them medical attention, and she died. That is 100% our fault.

You can't weasel out of responsibility of a minor by saying someone else did an even worse job of caring for her than you. #bothsides does not work when we are talking about children's lives.
 
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yes smogzinn was part of the team of DR's who gave her a autopsy, he is accredited and certified at making this decision, along with being a fortuneteller and fast food employee.

That she died of dehydration is a part of the public record. That you can treat dehydration does not take a medical degree. Are you saying that we don't know how to treat dehydration? That it is a mystery to medical science?
 

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We do when we arrest them.




Perhaps if we hadn't arrested them that parent would have gotten her medical attention? If we had not arrested them and she had died then it would be 99.99% on the parent, but that is not what happened. We arrested them, and then didn't give them medical attention, and she died. That is 100% our fault.

You can't weasel out of responsibility of a minor by saying someone else did an even worse job of caring for her than you. #bothsides does not work when we are talking about children's lives.


sorry they are not arrested, they are detained ;) only children's lives matter? you think people in jail dont die from medical needs EVERYDAY? seriously you are in a different fantasy world. You state that one bottle of water would have saved her and no one around had anything? I bet she was sleeping and started seizing, not laying in agony for 8 hours as everyone around looked the other way.