7-Year-Old Migrant Girl Dies Of Dehydration In Border Patrol Custody

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Moonbeam

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If only Native Americans had built a wall before 1492 none of this shit would be happening and I would have been happily born in socialist Europe.
 
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Can cancer be aided at a crossing point? Can dehydration? Perhaps the lesson is, taking children into custody shouldn't be your first response.
Yes, you can aid someone dealing with cancer at a crossing point. Yes, you can aid someone suffering from dehydration at a crossing point.

If someone is trying to cross the border and is at risk of death by dehydration because of that attempt, then taking the person/children into custody is not only right, but, its the least immoral thing you can do. Are you saying that children suffering from dehydration be left to continue their attempt?
 
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Yes, you can aid someone dealing with cancer at a crossing point. Yes, you can aid someone suffering from dehydration at a crossing point.

If someone is trying to cross the border and is at risk of death by dehydration because of that attempt, then taking the person/children into custody is not only right, but, its the least immoral thing you can do. Are you saying that children suffering from dehydration be left to continue their attempt?
Once again, if you have someone in custody, you have responsibility for that person if they die. Regardless of how they died whether by cancer, dehydration, lightening or, boredom from your obtuse posts.
 
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Once again, if you have someone in custody, you have responsibility for that person if they die. Regardless of how they died whether by cancer, dehydration, lightening or, boredom from your obtuse posts.
Why would you be responsible for a person that has cancer and dies? What is the moral argument? What is the logical argument?

Also, having responsibility and being responsible for are different. They were responsible for a level of support while in custody. They are not responsible for everything that happens, even though they are responsible for a level of care. Your absurd position that they are responsible for anything and or everything is stupid. It would take any reasonable person 2 seconds to realize that a hard line position like that has huge flaws.

So, do you honestly believe they are responsible for anything and everything that happens to someone in custody?
 
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Why would you be responsible for a person that has cancer and dies? What is the moral argument? What is the logical argument?

Also, having responsibility and being responsible for are different. They were responsible for a level of support while in custody. They are not responsible for everything that happens, even though they are responsible for a level of care. Your absurd position that they are responsible for anything and or everything is stupid. It would take any reasonable person 2 seconds to realize that a hard line position like that has huge flaws.

So, do you honestly believe they are responsible for anything and everything that happens to someone in custody?
I've already said clearly and multiple times throughout this thread. I am not responsible for your inability to comprehend however, if I had you in custody and you "fell down" multiple times while I was explaining it to you, I would indeed have responsibility. :D
 
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I've already said clearly and multiple times throughout this thread. I am not responsible for your inability to comprehend however, if I had you in custody and you "fell down" multiple times while I was explaining it to you, I would indeed have responsibility. :D
If you had custody for me, and I died from a heart attack because of obesity, you would not be responsible for the heart attack. If you did not call 911 to try and aid me, you would be responsible for not providing a base line level of care while I was in your custody.

Do you not understand that?
 
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Why would you be responsible for a person that has cancer and dies? What is the moral argument? What is the logical argument?
wtf are you talking about? Cancer? She didnt die of cancer. Your whataboutism is fucking retarded and so are you.
 
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wtf are you talking about? Cancer? She didnt die of cancer. Your whataboutism is fucking retarded and so are you.
I'm talking about the hard line stance he has taken where they are responsible for anything and everything that happens while in their custody.
 
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If you had custody for me, and I died from a heart attack because of obesity, you would not be responsible for the heart attack. If you did not call 911 to try and aid me, you would be responsible for not providing a base line level of care while I was in your custody.

Do you not understand that?
You are no longer worth my time.
 
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Perhaps, taking children into custody shouldn't be your first response.
I see, they were caught trying to enter the country illegally, maybe they should not be attempting this?. Mind you, I'm not a Trump-tard, his rallying cry's of "viscous gang members!, drug mules!, ect" is completely bogus and just an excuse to try to get his wall funded. That being said, it's unfair for border patrol to be blamed for this death, anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize this is a very dangerous undertaking for an adult much less a 7yr old.
 
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I see, they were caught trying to enter the country illegally, maybe they should not be attempting this?. Mind you, I'm not a Trump-tard, his rallying cry's of "viscous gang members!, drug mules!, ect" is completely bogus and just an excuse to try to get his wall funded. That being said, it's unfair for border patrol to be blamed for this death, anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize this is a very dangerous undertaking for an adult much less a 7yr old.
They could be turned around right at the border without detaining them or taking them into custody.
 

thecoolnessrune

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They could be turned around right at the border without detaining them or taking them into custody.
I actually don't believe that's possible in a lot of these cases. It's my understanding that these groups, to avoid being turned away at the border, are actually entering the US Side of the border, then turning themselves in from the US Side.

At that point they really have no other choice but to detain them. It's not much unlike the idea of someone committing a moderate crime like theft or destruction of property then turning yourself into police to get to a jail cell. Once presenting yourself, there's little option for the authorities other than to detain you, if only for a short while to be processed.

If I remember some of the articles I read this group had illegally crossed into the US to do exactly that, turn themselves in, and prevent being turned away at the boarder crossing.
 
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I'm talking about the hard line stance he has taken where they are responsible for anything and everything that happens while in their custody.
Custody is a legal term you simpleton...

The care, possession, and control of a thing or person. The retention, inspection, guarding, maintenance, or security of athing within the immediate care and control of the person to whom it is committed. The detention of a person by lawfulauthority or process.
 
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I see, they were caught trying to enter the country illegally, maybe they should not be attempting this?. Mind you, I'm not a Trump-tard, his rallying cry's of "viscous gang members!, drug mules!, ect" is completely bogus and just an excuse to try to get his wall funded. That being said, it's unfair for border patrol to be blamed for this death, anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize this is a very dangerous undertaking for an adult much less a 7yr old.
Evewn though it does not make it right that they entered the country illegally! Once they are caught then the border patrol is responsible to see that they have water and other things if needed......
This argument does not center around whether they should have entered the country or not!
Also American`s who have left water and supplies for these people have been convicted of helping these people!
Just by leaving water -- what an amazing concept!! NOT!!
 
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Evewn though it does not make it right that they entered the country illegally! Once they are caught then the border patrol is responsible to see that they have water and other things if needed......
This argument does not center around whether they should have entered the country or not!
Also American`s who have left water and supplies for these people have been convicted of helping these people!
Just by leaving water -- what an amazing concept!! NOT!!
but what if they have the gonasyphaherpaids?
 
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but what if they have the gonasyphaherpaids?
You really have issues with comprehension don`t you?? But to entertain you -- at some point somebody is responsible for the medical needs of these people. I would say -- probably not right away! But if you detain them long enough...…..
 

Lanyap

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If anyone was wondering how to create terrorists. This is how you create terrorists.
If that was me on that border and that was my child. Holy crap batman, the lid would come off and I dont think i'd ever come back...


You’re reaching on that claim. You do realize that the Central American parents are making a conscious decision to bring young children along with the father and putting them in harms way to make is easier to get into the US and stay in the US? The parents realize they are partially at fault for the death of their child so I doubt they are considering becoming a terrorist.
 

Lanyap

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They could be turned around right at the border without detaining them or taking them into custody.


I don’t think that’s legal if they are requesting asylum. Besides, if they turned them away she would have died sooner and not had anyone try to save her life. Everyone involved tried to save her life. At least she had a chance at life instead of dying in the Mexican desert. She died of sepsis shock according to the first report from the hospital. That is a systemic bacterial infection that can have a fast onset, especially with small children. You are lucky to survive that even if you get to the hospital in a timely manner and are accurately diagnosed.
 

Lanyap

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Evewn though it does not make it right that they entered the country illegally! Once they are caught then the border patrol is responsible to see that they have water and other things if needed......
This argument does not center around whether they should have entered the country or not!
Also American`s who have left water and supplies for these people have been convicted of helping these people!
Just by leaving water -- what an amazing concept!! NOT!!



The little girl did not die of dehydration from the trip. They rode a bus from Guatemala to the US/Mexican border and the father said he kept her hydrated.
 

Lanyap

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You really have issues with comprehension don`t you?? But to entertain you -- at some point somebody is responsible for the medical needs of these people. I would say -- probably not right away! But if you detain them long enough...…..


The CBP was not prepared to handle this large of an influx of migrants at the remote locations. They did the best they could under the circumstances. They have since sent medical help from the coast guard to better evaluate the initial health of the migrants when they arrive. As I said earlier, the tactic of bringing relatively large numbers of 100+ migrants with small children was a relatively new phenomenon and is now becoming much more common.
 

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