7 things the middle class can't afford anymore

dmcowen674

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...heat-sheet-middle-class-cant-afford/17730223/

7 things the middle class can't afford anymore

So, who are the middle class?

In its discussion of historical middle class societies, The Economist reports, "Their members are neither rich nor poor but somewhere in-between. . . . 'Middle-class' describes an income category but also a set of attitudes . . . An essential characteristic is the possession of a reasonable amount of discretionary income. Middle-class people do not live from hand to mouth, job to job, season to season, as the poor do."


Diana Farrell, once Deputy Director of America's National Economic Council, told The Economist she thinks a middle class income begins at the point where a person (or family) has one-third of their income left over for discretionary purposes after they've provided themselves with food and shelter. In other words, someone who earns $3,000 per month would have $1,000 left after they've paid their mortgage or rent, utilities, and grocery bills.


Vacations
A vacation is an extra expense that many middle-earners cannot afford without sacrificing something else.

New vehicles
Very few people who earn the median income can afford to buy a new car or truck. Interest.com recently analyzed the prices of new cars and trucks, as well as the median incomes across more than two dozen major cities, and found that new cars and trucks were simply not affordable to most middle-earners.

To pay off debt
Our debt is growing faster than our income, and many middle class workers have trouble staying afloat.

Emergency savings
Most members of the middle class don't have at least six months of emergency savings, however, and some working people have no such savings.

Retirement savings
As of late, around 20% of people near 65 have not saved anything for retirement at all, and the majority of people — 59% — worry that they don't have enough money saved for retirement

Medical care
A Forbes article published data indicating that workers in large companies — many of whom are members of the middle class — "face nearly $5,000 in premiums, co-payments, deductibles and other forms of co-insurance."

During the past few years, these costs have had a large impact on working Americans. A report by Feeding America found that a shocking 66% of households say they've had to choose between paying for food and paying for medical care — 31% say they have to make that choice each and every month.


Dental work
According to the CDC, nearly one in four adults between the ages of 20 and 64 have untreated dental caries (like cavities or infections).
 

sportage

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They do afford most of this.
Its called visa, master card, payday loans, and most sadly... home equity loans.
 

Matthiasa

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Eh... maybe one of those really applies to me.

It is also typically less then wise to pay the price of a new car when they lose value so quickly.

Not counting the vacation one whose description applies to exactly everyone.
If you spend x of course you are not going to have that x to buy something else...
 

Exterous

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Huh - I thought we had covered that already here but it turns out that was on a retirement\finance forum.

Anyway the methodology is a bit off. The author takes several different statistics showing that the middle class has reduced spending on a single item and then throws them all together as though they can't afford all 7

One issue is that its claimed the middle class can't afford a new car by only looking at the median new car pricing - ignoring the fact that you can get a very nice new Honda Accord for $10k less or a Civic for $14k less than the dollar amount they used

As for the Paying off debt they looked at the difference between 1980 and 2013 to conclude that debt is rising which is a far far different claim than 'Americans can't pay off debt'. Probably because that statement isn't true. Americans are paying off their debt and have been doing so since 2008.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/08/14/report-americans-paying-down-debt-mostly-on-homes

but some of them have an iphone and a TV so everything's OK in the world!

Not all that far from the truth:
Others made sacrifices like reducing or eliminating their trips to the movies (47%), reducing or eliminating trips out to restaurants (43%), or avoiding purchasing small ticket items like new clothing (43%)

The horror! You mean we might have to hold on to some of that 65lbs of used clothing we were going to throw out every year??!!

http://brooklynaccelerator.com/yearly-textile-waste-in-the-usa/

Americans also seem to think they need to spend more on Vacations now. 69% of Americans took vacations in 2013 and their expenditures are up ~33% in the last two years and now average $1500-$1800 PP. This doesn't even touch on new fads like 'Babymooning' or destination weddings
 
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Vacations
New vehicles
To pay off debt
Emergency savings
Retirement savings
Medical care
Dental work

I am not bragging,.. but, none of these are an issue for me - and, I consider myself middle class; because I save and plan to deal with most of these things. A big one that I don't care for is new vehicle,.. I don't need one. And, that's a huge savings.

I do recognize there are indeed people out there who struggle with these things - and I place the fault on the cost of living. Prices constantly go up. And, the providers of goods and services are constantly cutting their costs - so, these increases in their prices are just for profits.
 

biostud

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I can afford all of that, and I work as a teacher. But I don't live in the US :p
 

xBiffx

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Most in the middle class also appear to be OK with living beyond their means too.

Pretty easy to say they can't afford things that they never could afford. Vacations, new cars, and debt (I assume credit cards and/or house). Three things that can be done cheaply but rarely are. There's a shocker.
 

fskimospy

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You guys realize that median household debt in the US has been decreasing in recent years, not increasing, right?
 

xBiffx

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You guys realize that median household debt in the US has been decreasing in recent years, not increasing, right?

So what?

Just because debt is going down doesn't make it all of a sudden affordable.
 

fskimospy

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So what?

Just because debt is going down doesn't make it all of a sudden affordable.

Well people paying down debt certainly does seem to indicate that people can afford to pay down debt, wouldn't you say?
 

Abwx

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I can afford all of that, and I work as a teacher. But I don't live in the US :p

He should had accounted real estate..

How much for a 200m2 nice house in Denmark.?
Here, in a somewhat wealthy part of east France it s about 250-300K€ at the bare minimum, i guess that it s much less in the US...
 

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Vacations
A vacation is an extra expense that many middle-earners cannot afford without sacrificing something else.

Its just crazy to think French people get over 30 days per year off. Not even counting national holidays!
 

xBiffx

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Well people paying down debt certainly does seem to indicate that people can afford to pay down debt, wouldn't you say?

Yes, I would say it indicates that they can pay it down but does that mean its automatically affordable? Lots of times I choose to not do certain things so that I can get caught up on paying off some debt. That means I'm not doing something else to compensate. I imagine most people aren't like me though.
 

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...predominantly negative views don’t vary much by party, race or income level, Doherty noted.

“People have been just beaten down,” he said. “You’d need some unambiguously good news to move the needle, but every time there’s news about the economy it’s mixed. It seems as if people’s views are pretty locked in.”

Pew survey shows consensus...

Uno
 

fskimospy

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Yes, I would say it indicates that they can pay it down but does that mean its automatically affordable? Lots of times I choose to not do certain things so that I can get caught up on paying off some debt. That means I'm not doing something else to compensate. I imagine most people aren't like me though.

I'm not sure what you're saying right now. That's the nature of debt: you do something at one point that you can't afford to do on your own and in exchange forego money you could have spent on other things at a later point in time.

Paying down debt strongly indicates that it is affordable in that if it wasn't people wouldn't be paying much down. When you are having to forego food or other major things you don't pay extra on your credit card bill, you make the minimum payment, and as we all know the minimum payment means you'll pay off your debt in about 50 years.
 

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Its just crazy to think French people get over 30 days per year off. Not even counting national holidays!

I get 4* weeks paid vacation and 10 holidays.

* next year it will be 5 weeks paid vacation.

As for the rest I don't have issues with any of them. I prefer to buy used cars as the prices are much better, the last two cars I purchased were from Hertz. Both were very low mileage and had 12 month/12k mile warranties.
 

xBiffx

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I'm not sure what you're saying right now. That's the nature of debt: you do something at one point that you can't afford to do on your own and in exchange forego money you could have spent on other things at a later point in time.

Paying down debt strongly indicates that it is affordable in that if it wasn't people wouldn't be paying much down. When you are having to forego food or other major things you don't pay extra on your credit card bill, you make the minimum payment, and as we all know the minimum payment means you'll pay off your debt in about 50 years.

But most people define affordability as the ability to be able to pay for it. If I have to stop something in order to pay for something else, is that really affordable? If I have to stop going to the doctor, or contributing to my 401k, or maybe something else that some consider a necessity, does that mean that paying down my debt is affordable?

So just looking at debt rates alone isn't helping much. It would really be nice to see how spending changed otherwise for those households that are decreasing their debt.
 

spacejamz

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Wondering how many of these you could afford if you weren't paying $50-100/month for a cell phone with 4GB data/unlimited texting and $150-200/month for cable/satellite and home internet...

A brand new Civic LX is $18500 which should be around $330 month. There are other cheaper cars like a Nissan Versa, Chevy Sonic and Kia Rio as well.
 

Mai72

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*Dental Work is a big one.

How can most people afford dental work when a typical dental visit cost $110? You need a root canal? That's going to run you $1,200 Braces will run between $5-7k depending on who does it.

I had root canal when I was in Thailand. $400-500 including crown. I've talked to people who have had braces done in Thailand. The cost was $2k USD.

*Retirement is going to be HUGE.

A good portion of Americans don't have the funds needed for retirement. How can they save when you're making $10 an hour? It's nearly impossible.

I think we are headed to some type of meltdown, and when it does happen it's not going to be pretty.
 

waggy

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I know this doesn't apply to just about all in here.

The article hits home for me for all 7.

what a fucking stupid article.

they still afford all of those. stop trying to keep up with the jones. stop thinking you need a 4k sq/ft house. stop thinking you need a fucking 45k new car every two years.
 

fskimospy

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But most people define affordability as the ability to be able to pay for it. If I have to stop something in order to pay for something else, is that really affordable? If I have to stop going to the doctor, or contributing to my 401k, or maybe something else that some consider a necessity, does that mean that paying down my debt is affordable?

For most people if you're smart you should probably be paying down your debts to the exclusion of almost everything else, at least savings and finance wise. Chances are their debt is at a considerably higher APR than whatever return they are getting from their retirement accounts, etc. Of course individual circumstances vary.

So just looking at debt rates alone isn't helping much. It would really be nice to see how spending changed otherwise for those households that are decreasing their debt.

I think it's extremely informative. From everything I know people do not forego vital services to decrease their credit card balance. If you are in financial distress you make the minimum payment.