7 other nations and the US boycott U.N.'s 1st global racism conference

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Turkish
I am not going to spend much time responding (at work), but at the end, this is going to hurt us more than it hurts Iran or any other messed up country ruled by religion when there's a discussion of freedom of speech and they hit us right back with "you cannot tolerate freedom of speech".

A Freedom of Speech does not incur a Mandate to Listen.

The act of not attending is a form of freedom of speech.

I do understand your point of view on this though. I just think forcing ourselves to put up with these conferences just adds strength to their cause - which just isn't strategic in any form.

That is very true... I thought of mentioning it but since English is not my native language, I couldn't think of the term: Mandate to Listen :)

In the end, Iran and the Arabs will use this conference as an excuse for pulling out of future dialogue, regardless of what the topic of discussion is.

Also, the UN is stupid for organizing this in such way... let Ahmadinajad speak last, right before the closing remarks so people can still have some legit discussion about racism up till his speech... then it would be a good time protest him, by walking out of course :)
 

JeepinEd

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Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Turkish
I am not going to spend much time responding (at work), but at the end, this is going to hurt us more than it hurts Iran or any other messed up country ruled by religion when there's a discussion of freedom of speech and they hit us right back with "you cannot tolerate freedom of speech".

A Freedom of Speech does not incur a Mandate to Listen.

The act of not attending is a form of freedom of speech.

I do understand your point of view on this though. I just think forcing ourselves to put up with these conferences just adds strength to their cause - which just isn't strategic in any form.

That is very true... I thought of mentioning it but since English is not my native language, I couldn't think of the term: Mandate to Listen :)

In the end, Iran and the Arabs will use this conference as an excuse for pulling out of future dialogue, regardless of what the topic of discussion is.

Also, the UN is stupid for organizing this in such way... let Ahmadinajad speak last, right before the closing remarks so people can still have some legit discussion about racism up till his speech... then it would be a good time protest him, by walking out of course :)

You do realize that the main reason the US boycotted this is not Ahmadinajad, or what he had to say. See the quote below...

"The major sticking points regarding the proposed final U.N. declaration are its implied criticism of Israel and an attempt by Muslim governments to ban all criticism of Islam, Sharia law, the prophet Muhammad and other tenets of their faith."
 

Double Trouble

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Originally posted by: JeepinEd
"The major sticking points regarding the proposed final U.N. declaration are its implied criticism of Israel and an attempt by Muslim governments to ban all criticism of Islam, Sharia law, the prophet Muhammad and other tenets of their faith."

Exactly. So it was a good call to avoid this PC debacle.
 

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Lifer
May 26, 2003
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Originally posted by: JeepinEd
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Turkish
I am not going to spend much time responding (at work), but at the end, this is going to hurt us more than it hurts Iran or any other messed up country ruled by religion when there's a discussion of freedom of speech and they hit us right back with "you cannot tolerate freedom of speech".

A Freedom of Speech does not incur a Mandate to Listen.

The act of not attending is a form of freedom of speech.

I do understand your point of view on this though. I just think forcing ourselves to put up with these conferences just adds strength to their cause - which just isn't strategic in any form.

That is very true... I thought of mentioning it but since English is not my native language, I couldn't think of the term: Mandate to Listen :)

In the end, Iran and the Arabs will use this conference as an excuse for pulling out of future dialogue, regardless of what the topic of discussion is.

Also, the UN is stupid for organizing this in such way... let Ahmadinajad speak last, right before the closing remarks so people can still have some legit discussion about racism up till his speech... then it would be a good time protest him, by walking out of course :)

You do realize that the main reason the US boycotted this is not Ahmadinajad, or what he had to say. See the quote below...

"The major sticking points regarding the proposed final U.N. declaration are its implied criticism of Israel and an attempt by Muslim governments to ban all criticism of Islam, Sharia law, the prophet Muhammad and other tenets of their faith."

Does attending the conference mean that you agree with whatever declaration UN is proposing? I don't know honestly, hence asking.
 
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
No cliff notes!! Sorry there is way to much ionformation in this article to have people posting based on a summary of the article!!

It seems that if you take those who are not attending and those whose reasons are the same for not attending that there is agreement between those not attending.

What concerns me the most about this who article is this one statement---
"The major sticking points regarding the proposed final U.N. declaration are its implied criticism of Israel and an attempt by Muslim governments to ban all criticism of Islam, Sharia law, the prophet Muhammad and other tenets of their faith."

Yet -- the Obama administration said it could not endorse any statement that singled out Israel or included passages demanding a ban on language considered an "incitement" of religious hatred. Such calls "run counter to the U.S. commitment to unfettered free speech,"
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...n_un_racism_conference

GENEVA ? The United Nations opens its first global racism conference in eight years on Monday with the U.S. and at least seven other countries boycotting the event out of concern that Islamic countries will demand that it denounce Israel and ban criticism of Islam.
The administration of President Barack Obama, America's first black head of state, announced Saturday that it would boycott "with regret" the weeklong meeting in Geneva, which already is experiencing much of the bickering and political infighting that marred the 2001 conference in Durban, South Africa.

The Netherlands, Germany and New Zealand announced their boycotts Sunday and Monday, while Australia, Canada, Israel and Italy already had said they would not attend.

"I would love to be involved in a useful conference that addressed continuing issues of racism and discrimination around the globe," Obama said in Trinidad on Sunday after attending the Summit of the Americas.

But he said the language of the U.N.'s draft declaration risked a reprise of Durban, during which "folks expressed antagonism toward Israel in ways that were often times completely hypocritical and counterproductive."

"We expressed in the run-up to this conference our concerns that if you adopted all of the language from 2001, that's not something we can sign up for," Obama said.


"Hopefully some concrete steps come out of the conference that we can partner with other countries on to actually reduce discrimination around the globe, but this wasn't an opportunity to do it," he said.

Some European countries are still deciding whether to attend the U.N. conference, which runs through April 24. Britain said it will send diplomats, despite concerns the meeting could become a forum for Holocaust denial or anti-Semitic attacks.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI said the conference is needed to eliminate racial intolerance around the world. Asia News, a Catholic news agency that is part of the missionary arm of the Vatican, said of the pope's comment: "The Holy See is distancing itself from the criticisms of some Western countries."

"I am shocked and deeply disappointed by the United States' decision not to attend," said U.N. human rights chief Navi Pillay, who is hosting the conference.

She conceded some countries were focusing solely on one or two issues to the detriment of the fight against intolerance, but said it is essential that the issue of racism be tackled globally.

The major sticking points regarding the proposed final U.N. declaration are its implied criticism of Israel and an attempt by Muslim governments to ban all criticism of Islam, Sharia law, the prophet Muhammad and other tenets of their faith.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ? who repeatedly has called for the destruction of Israel and denied the Holocaust ? is slated to speak on the first day.

He arrived in Geneva on Sunday evening and met privately with President Hans-Rudolf Merz of Switzerland, the country that represents the diplomatic interests of the United States in the Islamic republic.

The pullout of Germany is significant since it has played a leading role in U.N. anti-racism efforts as a result of its troubled historical legacy. In recent meetings, it has expressed dismay about some governments' attempts to downplay the significance of the Holocaust.

Germany said Sunday that it made its boycott decision after consulting with other European Union nations.

"This decision was not easy," said German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier. "As in Durban in 2001, this conference could be abused by others as a platform for their interests. We cannot accept that," he said.

New Zealand's Foreign Minister Murray McCully said Monday he was not satisfied the wording of the draft statement would prevent the conference from "descending into the same kind of rancorous and unproductive debate that took place in 2001."

The bland U.N. draft statement does not mention Israel by name, but it reaffirms the Durban statement and its reference to the plight of Palestinians. That document was agreed after the United States and Israel walked out over attempts to liken Zionism ? the movement to establish a Jewish state in the Holy Land ? to racism.

Israel and Jewish groups have lobbied hard against Western participation in the meeting, arguing that the presence alone of American and European negotiators would give legitimacy to what they fear could become an anti-Semitic gathering.

On Sunday, Israel's Foreign Ministry thanked the boycotters and predicted the conference would "once again serve as a platform to denigrate Israel and single it out for criticism."

Still, after years of preparations there appears little evidence to validate these fears. The statement of 2001 that is so contentious now was cheered in Israel at the time, as it recognized the Jewish state's right to security.

Regarding its boycott, the Obama administration said it could not endorse any statement that singled out Israel or included passages demanding a ban on language considered an "incitement" of religious hatred. Such calls "run counter to the U.S. commitment to unfettered free speech," said State Department spokesman Robert Wood.

Many Muslim nations want curbs to free speech to prevent insults to Islam they claim have proliferated since the terrorist attacks in the United States on Sept. 11, 2001. They cite the 2005 cartoons of Muhammad published by a Danish newspaper that sparked riots in the Muslim world.

European countries also have criticized the meeting for focusing heavily on the West and ignoring problems of racism and intolerance in the developing world.

All EU countries said they would pull out if there was any sign of equating Israel with a racist or apartheid state, all have left now.

Personally i think they should have stayed and made their voices heard, imagine little amadjafuck sitting there quietly listening to all EU nations declaring him an idiot.

Now THAT would have been MUCH better.
 
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Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: JeepinEd
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Turkish
I am not going to spend much time responding (at work), but at the end, this is going to hurt us more than it hurts Iran or any other messed up country ruled by religion when there's a discussion of freedom of speech and they hit us right back with "you cannot tolerate freedom of speech".

A Freedom of Speech does not incur a Mandate to Listen.

The act of not attending is a form of freedom of speech.

I do understand your point of view on this though. I just think forcing ourselves to put up with these conferences just adds strength to their cause - which just isn't strategic in any form.

That is very true... I thought of mentioning it but since English is not my native language, I couldn't think of the term: Mandate to Listen :)

In the end, Iran and the Arabs will use this conference as an excuse for pulling out of future dialogue, regardless of what the topic of discussion is.

Also, the UN is stupid for organizing this in such way... let Ahmadinajad speak last, right before the closing remarks so people can still have some legit discussion about racism up till his speech... then it would be a good time protest him, by walking out of course :)

You do realize that the main reason the US boycotted this is not Ahmadinajad, or what he had to say. See the quote below...

"The major sticking points regarding the proposed final U.N. declaration are its implied criticism of Israel and an attempt by Muslim governments to ban all criticism of Islam, Sharia law, the prophet Muhammad and other tenets of their faith."

Does attending the conference mean that you agree with whatever declaration UN is proposing? I don't know honestly, hence asking.

Would you attend a meeting that unanimously voted that they hate you?
 

ericlp

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7 other nations and the US?? shouldn't it be 8 nations including the US? It's like saying drugs and alcohol as if alcohol wasn't a drug.

Oh well, I guess I just found it funny and I would have walked out as well, no use listening to an idiot spew on for a half a day.
 
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Originally posted by: Leon
7 other nations and the US boycott U.N.'s 1st global racisT conference

FTFY

I actually disagree, it's like protesting against the common agenda by shutting up.

We all know Adjafuckistan is a retarded Israel hater, but once he has said his piece there could be a LOT of nations adressing Irans problems with antisemitism and general bigotry, is it REALLY better to shut up?

I honestly don't think so, i think he should sit there and listen to nation after nation telling him how stupid and wrong he is, even if it wouldn't make an ounce of difference in his little birdbrain of a mind, it could prove productive for increased support if there are good arguments laid forth from so many nations.

It's just a thought though, perhaps it's better to sit down and shut up when someone is attacking you than to stand up and fight?