7 other nations and the US boycott U.N.'s 1st global racism conference

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No cliff notes!! Sorry there is way to much ionformation in this article to have people posting based on a summary of the article!!

It seems that if you take those who are not attending and those whose reasons are the same for not attending that there is agreement between those not attending.

What concerns me the most about this who article is this one statement---
"The major sticking points regarding the proposed final U.N. declaration are its implied criticism of Israel and an attempt by Muslim governments to ban all criticism of Islam, Sharia law, the prophet Muhammad and other tenets of their faith."

Yet -- the Obama administration said it could not endorse any statement that singled out Israel or included passages demanding a ban on language considered an "incitement" of religious hatred. Such calls "run counter to the U.S. commitment to unfettered free speech,"
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...n_un_racism_conference

GENEVA ? The United Nations opens its first global racism conference in eight years on Monday with the U.S. and at least seven other countries boycotting the event out of concern that Islamic countries will demand that it denounce Israel and ban criticism of Islam.
The administration of President Barack Obama, America's first black head of state, announced Saturday that it would boycott "with regret" the weeklong meeting in Geneva, which already is experiencing much of the bickering and political infighting that marred the 2001 conference in Durban, South Africa.

The Netherlands, Germany and New Zealand announced their boycotts Sunday and Monday, while Australia, Canada, Israel and Italy already had said they would not attend.

"I would love to be involved in a useful conference that addressed continuing issues of racism and discrimination around the globe," Obama said in Trinidad on Sunday after attending the Summit of the Americas.

But he said the language of the U.N.'s draft declaration risked a reprise of Durban, during which "folks expressed antagonism toward Israel in ways that were often times completely hypocritical and counterproductive."

"We expressed in the run-up to this conference our concerns that if you adopted all of the language from 2001, that's not something we can sign up for," Obama said.


"Hopefully some concrete steps come out of the conference that we can partner with other countries on to actually reduce discrimination around the globe, but this wasn't an opportunity to do it," he said.

Some European countries are still deciding whether to attend the U.N. conference, which runs through April 24. Britain said it will send diplomats, despite concerns the meeting could become a forum for Holocaust denial or anti-Semitic attacks.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI said the conference is needed to eliminate racial intolerance around the world. Asia News, a Catholic news agency that is part of the missionary arm of the Vatican, said of the pope's comment: "The Holy See is distancing itself from the criticisms of some Western countries."

"I am shocked and deeply disappointed by the United States' decision not to attend," said U.N. human rights chief Navi Pillay, who is hosting the conference.

She conceded some countries were focusing solely on one or two issues to the detriment of the fight against intolerance, but said it is essential that the issue of racism be tackled globally.

The major sticking points regarding the proposed final U.N. declaration are its implied criticism of Israel and an attempt by Muslim governments to ban all criticism of Islam, Sharia law, the prophet Muhammad and other tenets of their faith.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ? who repeatedly has called for the destruction of Israel and denied the Holocaust ? is slated to speak on the first day.

He arrived in Geneva on Sunday evening and met privately with President Hans-Rudolf Merz of Switzerland, the country that represents the diplomatic interests of the United States in the Islamic republic.

The pullout of Germany is significant since it has played a leading role in U.N. anti-racism efforts as a result of its troubled historical legacy. In recent meetings, it has expressed dismay about some governments' attempts to downplay the significance of the Holocaust.

Germany said Sunday that it made its boycott decision after consulting with other European Union nations.

"This decision was not easy," said German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier. "As in Durban in 2001, this conference could be abused by others as a platform for their interests. We cannot accept that," he said.

New Zealand's Foreign Minister Murray McCully said Monday he was not satisfied the wording of the draft statement would prevent the conference from "descending into the same kind of rancorous and unproductive debate that took place in 2001."

The bland U.N. draft statement does not mention Israel by name, but it reaffirms the Durban statement and its reference to the plight of Palestinians. That document was agreed after the United States and Israel walked out over attempts to liken Zionism ? the movement to establish a Jewish state in the Holy Land ? to racism.

Israel and Jewish groups have lobbied hard against Western participation in the meeting, arguing that the presence alone of American and European negotiators would give legitimacy to what they fear could become an anti-Semitic gathering.

On Sunday, Israel's Foreign Ministry thanked the boycotters and predicted the conference would "once again serve as a platform to denigrate Israel and single it out for criticism."

Still, after years of preparations there appears little evidence to validate these fears. The statement of 2001 that is so contentious now was cheered in Israel at the time, as it recognized the Jewish state's right to security.

Regarding its boycott, the Obama administration said it could not endorse any statement that singled out Israel or included passages demanding a ban on language considered an "incitement" of religious hatred. Such calls "run counter to the U.S. commitment to unfettered free speech," said State Department spokesman Robert Wood.

Many Muslim nations want curbs to free speech to prevent insults to Islam they claim have proliferated since the terrorist attacks in the United States on Sept. 11, 2001. They cite the 2005 cartoons of Muhammad published by a Danish newspaper that sparked riots in the Muslim world.

European countries also have criticized the meeting for focusing heavily on the West and ignoring problems of racism and intolerance in the developing world.
 

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Heard a story over the radio recently that when Mr. Holocaust got up to speak a couple dozen envoys got up and left and some protesters started shouting out. On the good news we got more of Israelis are bad and the source of evil from him.
 

Genx87

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Anybody find it funny the conference on "racism" wants to silence critics of Islam a "religion"?
 

ProfJohn

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I think Ahmadinejad just proved Obama right, and then some.

Pretty much everyone got up and walked out on the guy.
 

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Well, two things:

1. Ahmadinejad is a moron and is doing more harm to his country than any other leader in the world.
2. It is saddening that the world's most powerful leaders would boycott an event of such importance just because a moron is set to say things that they don't agree with. Very weak IMO. Ridding off racism requires will to listen and honesty, not running away due to fear of offensive talk.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Turkish
Well, two things:

1. Ahmadinejad is a moron and is doing more harm to his country than any other leader in the world.
2. It is saddening that the world's most powerful leaders would boycott an event of such importance just because a moron is set to say things that they don't agree with. Very weak IMO. Ridding off racism requires will to listen and honesty, not running away due to fear of offensive talk.
You seem to misunderstand the problem.

We have a conference on ending racism that is being used by certain countries to push their version of racism.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Turkish
Well, two things:

1. Ahmadinejad is a moron and is doing more harm to his country than any other leader in the world.
2. It is saddening that the world's most powerful leaders would boycott an event of such importance just because a moron is set to say things that they don't agree with. Very weak IMO. Ridding off racism requires will to listen and honesty, not running away due to fear of offensive talk.
You seem to misunderstand the problem.

We have a conference on ending racism that is being used by certain countries to push their version of racism.

:thumbsup:
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Turkish
Well, two things:

1. Ahmadinejad is a moron and is doing more harm to his country than any other leader in the world.
2. It is saddening that the world's most powerful leaders would boycott an event of such importance just because a moron is set to say things that they don't agree with. Very weak IMO. Ridding off racism requires will to listen and honesty, not running away due to fear of offensive talk.
You seem to misunderstand the problem.

We have a conference on ending racism that is being used by certain countries to push their version of racism.

Reminds me of the human rights council.
 

Turkish

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Turkish
Well, two things:

1. Ahmadinejad is a moron and is doing more harm to his country than any other leader in the world.
2. It is saddening that the world's most powerful leaders would boycott an event of such importance just because a moron is set to say things that they don't agree with. Very weak IMO. Ridding off racism requires will to listen and honesty, not running away due to fear of offensive talk.
You seem to misunderstand the problem.

We have a conference on ending racism that is being used by certain countries to push their version of racism.

There is no misunderstanding. I know what Iran is trying to do.

But why couldn't they just listen to what he says and give a good response? It's not that hard... everyone without a bias knows the dude is a nutjob (even most Arab countries, the only thing Ahmadinejad has going for him to get compassion from Arabs is the anti-Israel talk) and boycotting this doesn't really do any good... at least I cannot see it.
 

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Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Turkish
Well, two things:

1. Ahmadinejad is a moron and is doing more harm to his country than any other leader in the world.
2. It is saddening that the world's most powerful leaders would boycott an event of such importance just because a moron is set to say things that they don't agree with. Very weak IMO. Ridding off racism requires will to listen and honesty, not running away due to fear of offensive talk.
You seem to misunderstand the problem.

We have a conference on ending racism that is being used by certain countries to push their version of racism.

There is no misunderstanding. I know what Iran is trying to do.

But why couldn't they just listen to what he says and give a good response? It's not that hard... everyone without a bias knows the dude is a nutjob (even most Arab countries, the only thing Ahmadinejad has going for him to get compassion from Arabs is the anti-Israel talk) and boycotting this doesn't really do any good... at least I cannot see it.

It did a lot of good. It got people to talk about it. It showed that countries aren't going to put up with nutjobs. I don't see how you cannot find this positive, unless you agree with some of the things the nutjob is saying.
 

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Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Turkish
Well, two things:

1. Ahmadinejad is a moron and is doing more harm to his country than any other leader in the world.
2. It is saddening that the world's most powerful leaders would boycott an event of such importance just because a moron is set to say things that they don't agree with. Very weak IMO. Ridding off racism requires will to listen and honesty, not running away due to fear of offensive talk.
You seem to misunderstand the problem.

We have a conference on ending racism that is being used by certain countries to push their version of racism.

There is no misunderstanding. I know what Iran is trying to do.

But why couldn't they just listen to what he says and give a good response? It's not that hard... everyone without a bias knows the dude is a nutjob (even most Arab countries, the only thing Ahmadinejad has going for him to get compassion from Arabs is the anti-Israel talk) and boycotting this doesn't really do any good... at least I cannot see it.

Liberals can't even stand to listen to conservatives who have a tea party on taxes, but we should listen to Ackmydickimajag..
 

Turkish

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Turkish
Well, two things:

1. Ahmadinejad is a moron and is doing more harm to his country than any other leader in the world.
2. It is saddening that the world's most powerful leaders would boycott an event of such importance just because a moron is set to say things that they don't agree with. Very weak IMO. Ridding off racism requires will to listen and honesty, not running away due to fear of offensive talk.
You seem to misunderstand the problem.

We have a conference on ending racism that is being used by certain countries to push their version of racism.

There is no misunderstanding. I know what Iran is trying to do.

But why couldn't they just listen to what he says and give a good response? It's not that hard... everyone without a bias knows the dude is a nutjob (even most Arab countries, the only thing Ahmadinejad has going for him to get compassion from Arabs is the anti-Israel talk) and boycotting this doesn't really do any good... at least I cannot see it.

It did a lot of good. It got people to talk about it. It showed that countries aren't going to put up with nutjobs. I don't see how you cannot find this positive, unless you agree with some of the things the nutjob is saying.

I am not going to spend much time responding (at work), but at the end, this is going to hurt us more than it hurts Iran or any other messed up country ruled by religion when there's a discussion of freedom of speech and they hit us right back with "you cannot tolerate freedom of speech". Yeah, Ahmadinejad is not really speaking of nice things, more of a hate speech, but we have to tolerate and at least listen to what they say. It doesn't necessarily mean that we have to agree or respect their thoughts, but listening is nothing that will empower their ideas.

In Turkey, until recently we had a very big state pressure on any issue with regards to the Kurds and the problem we are having with them (my father is off Kurdish ancestry, mom is of Bulgarian) and we still do have somewhat of a problem with this but look, no issue is going to get solved without listening to each other. I'll repeat, we don't have to respect what he says, but limiting or ignoring someone's thoughts on subject will hit us back when the time comes to exchange ideas in another subject.

Anyways, for the record, I would never agree with anything anyone religious has to say about the issue of Israel-Palestine conflict as I have been an atheist for 10+ years and find most thoughts on the subject extremely absurd, especially by those who are neither Israeli nor Palestinian.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Turkish
I am not going to spend much time responding (at work), but at the end, this is going to hurt us more than it hurts Iran or any other messed up country ruled by religion when there's a discussion of freedom of speech and they hit us right back with "you cannot tolerate freedom of speech".

A Freedom of Speech does not incur a Mandate to Listen.

The act of not attending is a form of freedom of speech.

I do understand your point of view on this though. I just think forcing ourselves to put up with these conferences just adds strength to their cause - which just isn't strategic in any form.
 

sactoking

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Originally posted by: Turkish
There is no misunderstanding. I know what Iran is trying to do.

But why couldn't they just listen to what he says and give a good response? It's not that hard... everyone without a bias knows the dude is a nutjob (even most Arab countries, the only thing Ahmadinejad has going for him to get compassion from Arabs is the anti-Israel talk) and boycotting this doesn't really do any good... at least I cannot see it.

It's the same reason why "counterprotesting" is counterproductive. If you're pro-choice, logically you should not go to a pro-life rally. You're not going to change their minds. They're not interested in hearing what you have to say. To them, it's a game of 'positional negotiation' and any deviation from their position is a loss. Your attendance, then, only reinforces their position in their minds.

In this case, countries like Iran have no interest in true negotiation or discussion about racism. To them, their position is that Israel is evil and Islam is the way and the path. Any deviation from that position is a loss. Thus, there can be no rational discussion or negotiation, so your attendance only reinforces their position in their minds.
 

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What they won't get through the front door they are working very hard to get through the back door.


When multiculturalism and human rights collide.

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Johann Hari , columnist for The Independent, says multiculturalism is divisive, patronising, oppressive and often implicitly racist. In particular, it leads to a shameful betrayal of women's rights. The multicultural ethos sometimes colludes with oppressive ideas within minority communities, especially ideas concerning women and gay people. In these circumstances, respecting diversity can lead to the toleration of reactionary cultural traditions. Multiculturalism tends to treat minority communities as one homogeneous mass; based on the dominant elites and values within those communities. It often neglects dissenting voices within minorities. This is wrong. Individual rights should always trump community rights. Instead of multiculturalism's often one-sided focus on difference, promoting shared humanitarian values and equal citizenship are much more effective ways to secure justice and empowerment for minority peoples, argues Mr Hari