7.38 GHz AMD APU on MSI FM2-A85XA-G65

[Phynaz]

Just out of curiosity,

All of you guys that dont give a dime about extreme OC, why do you comment on an Extreme OC thread ??

Because you asked us a question?

 

[Arkaign]

Just out of curiosity,

All of you guys that dont give a dime about extreme OC, why do you comment on an Extreme OC thread ??



Just because you dont like it or you dont have the knowledge to do it doesnt make it stupid.
By the same logic 99% of people using PCs will think that "stable low-voltage overclocks with air cooling" is stupid beyond belief.

Actually, no. That's incorrect for a couple of reasons.

Max stable air overclocks actually do have a relevance to tech types interested only in stock performance, for a very good reason : it gives an idea of the typical ceiling of a process type and model/stepping of a CPU.

Remember the race to 1Ghz between Intel and AMD? As you might recall, Intel basically lost the race to 1Ghz, and then tried to go a bridge too far with the 1.13Ghz model, which was often unstable at stock speeds.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-admits-problems-pentium-iii-1,235.html

People who had been paying attention (overclockers of other models) knew pretty well that coppermine on 0.18 had a pretty realistic service ceiling around the 1Ghz mark with stock volts/cooling, short of a new stepping and probably higher volts.

It was something of a repeat, but even more severe, than Intel forcing a 600Mhz Katmai .25 CPU out there that required boosted volts over the previous Katmai P3s. At least that one was somewhat stable, but it certainly indicated that 600Mhz was the upper range that anyone might expect for the Katmai .25 P3 lineup.

Directly related to that is the fairly important idea that IF you are running a unit that you want very reliable for long 24/7 operation, perhaps installed a location like a mechanic's office, warehouse, etc that needs to be extra tough, understanding the upper limits of a CPU may help you choose one that performs well, but is clocked well under the max safe limits so that it has a lot of leeway should cooling fans become obstructed, should the A/C in the building fail (if it even has A/C there), and so on.

It's just good, useful knowledge in the right hands.

Knowing that you can dump Liquid Nitrogen or Helium onto something and clock it to the moon for a suicide run is .. less useful. It's kind of interesting, but has very very little practical value.

And that's just for the non-overclocking crowd. For the overclocking type, who wants to game/render/whatever on their OC unit (read : much of the AT forums here), then yeah, exactly what I said earlier : show me max stable overclocks on air, and perhaps water as well. Suicide runs do me no good, and stink of marketing hype. I say this regardless of CPU vendor.

 

[AtenRa]

Well, nobody will buy a Formula 1 car for everyday driving but over a Billion people watching the F1 race every time. Im sure that no one will buy an INDYCAR or NASCAR for an everyday car for shopping at the grocery but millions of people find it interesting and watching the races.

Just because you cant use LN2 for 24/7 doesn't make it less interesting or useless, a lot of people are interesting to see just how high (MHz) each CPU can go regardless of the cooling type/method used.

 

[NTMBK]

Well, nobody will buy a Formula 1 car for everyday driving but over a Billion people watching the F1 race every time. Im sure that no one will buy an INDYCAR or NASCAR for an everyday car for shopping at the grocery but millions of people find it interesting and watching the races.

And people like seeing them crash a lot! (Just like an extreme overclock :awe: )

 

[Jacky60]

Well to be fair, this is a pretty moot point (as are all extreme overclocking records and attempts). You wouldn't buy a car because of the maximum speed it can achieve, and similarly you wouldn't buy a processor because of the maximum overclocking achievable with extreme cooling.

I think with Bulldozer a more accurate analogy would be engine rpm. You wouldn't get excited about a car that's engine revved to 15,000 rpm if the car still could only manage 80mph whereas a competitors car revved to 8,000 rpm but went 130mph. Also if the same hi revving car could sometimes achieve 95mph on an eight lane highway specially constructed for it's benefit and a competitors car from 3 years ago still went faster on the eight lane highway and dirt tracks while burning less fuel you might conclude that how fast the engine revved was irrelevant, or is that irevverent

 

[Idontcare]

Well, nobody will buy a Formula 1 car for everyday driving but over a Billion people watching the F1 race every time. Im sure that no one will buy an INDYCAR or NASCAR for an everyday car for shopping at the grocery but millions of people find it interesting and watching the races.

Just because you cant use LN2 for 24/7 doesn't make it less interesting or useless, a lot of people are interesting to see just how high (MHz) each CPU can go regardless of the cooling type/method used.

People watch F1 racing for the drama involving the personal lives and stories of the drivers and teams, not so much for the hardware that is attached to four wheels.

If hardware was the draw for F1 race watchers then the race organizers would be compelled to allow individualization and customization of the race car hardware itself, but they don't. It is all strictly standardized and controlled for a reason.

And marketing depts know this which is why sponsored OC'ing always involves known gurus in the OC'ing world like KingPin and so on. Its not because KingPin is the leading expert at strapping a LN2 pot onto an Nvidia card, truly there is very little skill involved there, but because associating KingPin with the OC run makes for compelling reading to the audience.

Ever read a story about breaking landspeed records? The story will always be 10% about the technology/hardware and 90% about the backstory and personal drama/drive/conviction/sacrifice of the person who strove to break the record at that time. There is a reason why this is true, it is what people really care about.

We see it at the olympics as well, for example. The story of Beijing 2008 was all the world records being broken in swimming. Sure it was due to a deeper swimming pool and new technology in the swim suits, but no one really cared to deep dive into the technical stuff. We just wanted to read about the people. It was all about Phelps and his personal story.

So why would we care that some piece of silicon hit some new record clockspeed? Where is the human interest portion of the story? There is a reason this "news" isn't generating all that much excitement, it can't, not the way it has been packaged and marketed.

We need to hear about how the guy who did it overcame adversity and beat the odds of a system that was conspiring against him or something. Then the technical accomplishment will hold some kind of meaning to the audience.

 

[Phynaz]

Well, nobody will buy a Formula 1 car for everyday driving but over a Billion people watching the F1 race every time.

Fail car analogy.

Edit:
IDC said it much better than me.

 

[AtenRa]

People watch F1 racing for the drama involving the personal lives and stories of the drivers and teams, not so much for the hardware that is attached to four wheels.

Not entirely true, there are people watching F1 that are interested about the Technology(me included) as well as Drivers/Teams etc. Just because you or someone else only care about the Team or the driver doesnt mean nobody cares about the hardware and the technology behind F1 cars.

Why every time people only see what THEY like/Want, others may like/want something else. There are people that like/want to see the limits of the hardware they use in everyday tasks, just because others doesnt care about it dosnt make it stupid.

I dont expect everyone to be interested in Extreme OC nor i have any problem with people that dont care about OC in general, my problem is with people trolling in threads they dont really have any interest in the subject.

 

[MentalIlness]

My problem is with people trolling in threads they dont really have any interest in the subject.

:thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jlgSGyj1co

 

[Arkaign]

No, correctly painting thinly disguised marketing shenanigans for what it is : not trolling. We called it trolling all the way when Intel and various mobo mfg's did it with P4 and even into the i7 era as well :

http://www.gadgetreview.com/2008/12...rclocked-to-551009-mhz-sets-world-record.html

A press release? Seriously? It's all just marketing mumbo jumbo that has absolutely zero to do with the products they're trying to sell. .00000001% of the CPUs sold are ever put under liquid nitrogen/helium for hypervolted suicide runs.

I do agree that the people posting that an i3 would still be faster are trolling though.

 

[Idontcare]

Why every time people only see what THEY like/Want, others may like/want something else. There are people that like/want to see the limits of the hardware they use in everyday tasks, just because others doesnt care about it dosnt make it stupid.

I dont expect everyone to be interested in Extreme OC nor i have any problem with people that dont care about OC in general, my problem is with people trolling in threads they dont really have any interest in the subject.

I agree there is a fine line to be walked between a vigilant community voicing their concerns of what can appear to be viral marketing attempting to do what it is done for versus vocal fanboys who are threadcrapping for the sake of threadcrapping.

As a mod it is a challenge to be so arrogant to assume we can climb into someone's heads and interpret their premeditative thoughts when they posted whatever they post.

So the question of thread-crapping enforcement is not science, nor is it pretty in practice as the community tends to react with outcries of bias and prejudice on behalf of the attending mod.

So in cases like this specific thread we pretty much just have to let the cards fall where they fall. If the topic really isn't of value to the vocal majority of the community then that feedback needs to be expressed if for no other reason than for the community to develop a sense of identity regarding what it is and what it isn't.

This community, for better or worse, is expressing that it identifies with valuing 24/7 stable OC's and holds essentially little to no value for the results obtained in so called suicide runs. That information is good to know for people who might be thinking this is a place to join to post such info. Again, not saying this a good or bad, not judging it, just saying this is a process by which a forum community at Anandtech comes to develop a sense of values that distinguishes it from the parallel community that exists at say XS or [H].

And if we, the mods that is, don't allow for the community to have these opportunities to express itself and develop a sense of self-identity then we are really doing the people who make up the active community a disservice IMO.

What we don't want is personal attacks. But the threadcrapping has to be given some leeway on occasions like this where it seems to be a defining moment for the community en masse.

 

[AtenRa]

@Idontcare,

I dont have any probs with the admins here, if i had any i would talk to you in privet.

I do agree that the AT forum community is not XS and they are not interested that much in to Extreme OC, but i believe a few Extreme OC topics could be aloud for people that do care.

 

[Ferzerp]

Individual's efforts can be interesting, but when a vendor is involved it's just marketing.

They only have one motivation.

 

[Idontcare]

@Idontcare,

I dont have any probs with the admins here, if i had any i would talk to you in privet.

Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to imply you did. I brought it up of my own volition because it is something that weighs on my mind continually and I felt it was worth mentioning.

I wasn't trying to defend or justify the actions, or lack thereof, in terms of moderation. To me it is all one big quandary. The very word "moderator" is meant to mean something specific, and "censor-er" is not what it is supposed to mean.

If I knew what I was doing as a moderator then it would probably be a lot easier for folks to know when they were following the rules or not, but I really have no idea what I am doing and I know that is of no surprise to many of you. (no this isn't me fishing for compliments, just a self-assessment rant that need go with no reply)

I do agree that the AT forum community is not XS and they are not interested that much in to Extreme OC, but i believe a few Extreme OC topics could be aloud for people that do care.

I genuinely believe this just as you do. I am a firm believer in the "live and let live" philosophy. Thread crapping really should not be happening, people have no reason to post in a thread if the thread holds no relevance or value to them.

But there has to be some kind of balance in the dialogue within the community. It is not a healthy community to build walls between members and tell them to simply avoid interacting with one another. The dialogue needs to occur if understanding and a shared sense of community is to develop.

So long as it is respectful dialogue and not just outright hateful/hurtful crap then I am inclined to let it go. The alternative is possible, being that we could crack down on every person who looks sideways at another member, but I'm not the person for that job. It just isn't me.

In my perfect world there would infinite tolerance for all manner of diverse topics and viewpoints in this forum.

But that view of a perfect world falls apart when confronted with the challenge of tolerating the intolerable. What I found was that I end up being a hypocrite eventually, espousing diversity and tolerance on one hand while condemning and penalizing (i.e. being intolerant) of those who do not embrace the same value system. And who wants to be a hypocrite?

In summary - meh. :|