7:29 Nurburgring lap time for GTR

[glimmerman]

http://www.motorauthority.com/...nurburgring-in-7m-29s/

This car continues to break records like crazy.. motortrend had a 0-60 time of 3.2 seconds and now it has officially lapped the nurburging in 7:29

$70K

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[MBrown]

:shocked:

 

[Arkaign]

Good freaking grief. The GT-R is the anti-fail.

Sorta takes the wind out of the awesome ZR-1.

 

[996GT2]

Holy crap that's amazing...the time is only 1 second off the mark off the Porsche Carrera GT

And to think the V-Spec will only do better...even the prepdoruction tester is lapping in 7:25

The new Nissan GT-R has smashed the production car lap record at the Nurburgring Nordschleife. Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn announced that a production version of the GT-R driven by Tochio Suzuki posted a lap time of 7min 29secs during testing last week, nine seconds quicker than the previous test.

Ghosn confirmed that the time means the GT-R, a base-spec Japanese car running with revised chassis settings, has delivered on one of its original design objectives: to be the ?fastest production supercar? in the world.

?This proves that Nissan can compete against anyone,? he said.

The news gives an interesting perspective on unofficial timings of a Skyline GT-R V-Spec prototype caught testing at the Nordschleife, where observers suggested it was lapping in around 7min 25secs. This news means that the production GT-R V-spec is likely to be even quicker than those figures suggest.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/...rticle/AllCars/232532/

 

[Aharami]

hax0R! call the mods, this car isnt abiding by the laws of physics like all other cars!

 

[Owls]

Those are insane numbers. The real litmus test, however, will be the number of people willing to put down 70k for a Nissan. I'm not knocking Nissan, but there are people who would rather pay more for less, if you understand.

Unbelievable car, though. ALMOST makes me rethink my M3 purchase although I can't shove a baby seat in there

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Owls
Those are insane numbers. The real litmus test, however, will be the number of people willing to put down 70k for a Nissan. I'm not knocking Nissan, but there are people who would rather pay more for less, if you understand.

Unbelievable car, though. ALMOST makes me rethink my M3 purchase although I can't shove a baby seat in there

The M3 is just in a different class. I'd shudder to think of the maintenance regime on a GT-R. Something like brakes is probably $2g's a pop, at least. Insurance? Fogettaboutit!

These things will sell out, ahead of time, for as long as they make them.

But yeah, for practicality/daily driver/style/class, M3 all the way.

For insane performance in every category, GT-R ftw.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Aharami
hax0R! call the mods, this car isnt abiding by the laws of physics like all other cars!

lols, I know what you're saying, but I think Nissan underrated that motor a wee bit, sandbagging the competition.

It's more impressive to have a 480hp $70k car kicking the balls of cars 4 times the price or more, than to have a 550hp+ car doing it.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Aharami
hax0R! call the mods, this car isnt abiding by the laws of physics like all other cars!

lols, I know what you're saying, but I think Nissan underrated that motor a wee bit, sandbagging the competition.

It's more impressive to have a 480hp $70k car kicking the balls of cars 4 times the price or more, than to have a 550hp+ car doing it.

I can't help but feel that Nissan is keeping the price ridiculously low for the same reason stated above. They could easily sell the GTR for a good $100k and no one would blink.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Aharami
hax0R! call the mods, this car isnt abiding by the laws of physics like all other cars!

lols, I know what you're saying, but I think Nissan underrated that motor a wee bit, sandbagging the competition.

It's more impressive to have a 480hp $70k car kicking the balls of cars 4 times the price or more, than to have a 550hp+ car doing it.

I can't help but feel that Nissan is keeping the price ridiculously low for the same reason stated above. They could easily sell the GTR for a good $100k and no one would blink.

I don't think anyone is getting one for $70k.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Aharami
hax0R! call the mods, this car isnt abiding by the laws of physics like all other cars!

lols, I know what you're saying, but I think Nissan underrated that motor a wee bit, sandbagging the competition.

It's more impressive to have a 480hp $70k car kicking the balls of cars 4 times the price or more, than to have a 550hp+ car doing it.

I can't help but feel that Nissan is keeping the price ridiculously low for the same reason stated above. They could easily sell the GTR for a good $100k and no one would blink.

I don't think anyone is getting one for $70k.

didnt Nissan say something like they will monitor sales of the GT-R very closely to make sure dealers dont charge a huge dealer adjustment?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Aharami
hax0R! call the mods, this car isnt abiding by the laws of physics like all other cars!

lols, I know what you're saying, but I think Nissan underrated that motor a wee bit, sandbagging the competition.

It's more impressive to have a 480hp $70k car kicking the balls of cars 4 times the price or more, than to have a 550hp+ car doing it.

I can't help but feel that Nissan is keeping the price ridiculously low for the same reason stated above. They could easily sell the GTR for a good $100k and no one would blink.

I don't think anyone is getting one for $70k.

That's beside the point. The whole point is to have the best bang for the buck car on the market based on msrp. If dealers markup the price it's out of Nissan's hands.

 

[Owls]

I have to say there is definitely something fishy going on.

1. This particular car is under-rated.
2. This particular car is over-rated in weight.
3. The tires used for this test are MPSC equivalent or better.
4. The driver is a serious ace (obvious).

Either their marketing team had a typo or Nissan found a way to defy physics.

 

[Cobalt]

Numerous dyno tests by customers and tuners have put the car at well above it's advertised power rating. Lots of reports are showing 520+

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Owls
I have to say there is definitely something fishy going on.

1. This particular car is under-rated.
2. This particular car is over-rated in weight.
3. The tires used for this test are MPSC equivalent or better.
4. The driver is a serious ace (obvious).

Either their marketing team had a typo or Nissan found a way to defy physics.

I've posted about this in other threads on the subject.

(1)- The GT-R is almost certainly under-rated in power. It's probably putting 480 or so at the wheels, not the crank.

(2)- The weight, as in the Veyron, is probably helpful to the car in high-speed stability, and also in some respects at lower speeds in added downforce. Of course, it's a double-edged sword, with more stress on the tires/suspension as you approach the limits of grip.

(3)- The stock GT-R tires are admittedly excellent, being designed specifically to match the GT-R's stance, weight, and capabilities.

(4)- YES.

and some more :

(5)- Brakes. The GT-R's brakes are notably superior to anything else in the price range, the only equal is the ZR-1 in this respect. Incredible brakes allow drivers to stop slightly later, and if you have to slow down XX times during a lap, that's XX times that you can brake .xx later, which translates to positive lap times. Less fade also helps considerably in longer/technical tracks (Ring).

(6)- Transmission. The GT-R's tranny is supposed to be godlike in response, speed, and gearing selection.

(7)- Computer assists. Purists will protest on this, but the technology is getting good enough with stability control that you can put down higher average track times with computer assistance, barring an absolutely perfect driver. Just as in chess, the human supremacy in driving skill is drawing to a close. A human can never rapidly adjust dozens of variables thousands of times a second based upon a fluid data stream with precision and dependability. We can point and shoot, and perform admirably in steering, braking, tracking, and throttle, but that's about the limit.

 

[Owls]

I did some more research..

The Zonda F is about 600 hp and weighs 2700 lb and completes the lap in just about the exact same time. That represents nearly a 45% power to weight advantage for the Zonda.

Personally, I don't believe this garbage because something is definitely going on.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Owls
I did some more research..

The Zonda F is about 600 hp and weighs 2700 lb and completes the lap in just about the exact same time. That represents nearly a 45% power to weight advantage for the Zonda.

Personally, I don't believe this garbage because something is definitely going on.

You're thinking about this too simplistically. It's not a video game, and there are about a jillion more variables than just power/weight.

Some things to think about :

(1)- Zonda is RWD, and on a track as technical as the 'ring, the majority of corners/curves you're going to have to be very easy on the throttle so you don't oversteer yourself into a crappy lap time (or worse yet, a wall/tree). Drifting looks cool, but it's the slowest way around a track in almost every situation.

(2)- Further examples of the traction limitation of the Zonda (and RWD in particular) is proven by the much-repeated 0-60mph / 0-100kmh testing of the Zonda and other similar cars. The Zonda C12-F puts down 3.5 or so with expert drivers, and that's an undisputed time. The GT-R's ability to plow the power to the pavement from double the tires/surface area = 0-60 runs in ~3.3 or so, every time. The same exact concept applies to coming off of tight curves. The GT-R driver can pretty much floor it, whereas the guy in the hot RWD exotic has to feather it so he doesn't break traction. Break traction = epic fail on a timed lap.

 

[996GT2]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Owls
I did some more research..

The Zonda F is about 600 hp and weighs 2700 lb and completes the lap in just about the exact same time. That represents nearly a 45% power to weight advantage for the Zonda.

Personally, I don't believe this garbage because something is definitely going on.

You're thinking about this too simplistically. It's not a video game, and there are about a jillion more variables than just power/weight.

Some things to think about :

(1)- Zonda is RWD, and on a track as technical as the 'ring, the majority of corners/curves you're going to have to be very easy on the throttle so you don't oversteer yourself into a crappy lap time (or worse yet, a wall/tree). Drifting looks cool, but it's the slowest way around a track in almost every situation.

(2)- Further examples of the traction limitation of the Zonda (and RWD in particular) is proven by the much-repeated 0-60mph / 0-100kmh testing of the Zonda and other similar cars. The Zonda C12-F puts down 3.5 or so with expert drivers, and that's an undisputed time. The GT-R's ability to plow the power to the pavement from double the tires/surface area = 0-60 runs in ~3.3 or so, every time. The same exact concept applies to coming off of tight curves. The GT-R driver can pretty much floor it, whereas the guy in the hot RWD exotic has to feather it so he doesn't break traction. Break traction = epic fail on a timed lap.

The GTR is packed with technology that help it a bunch on the track. Things like the ATTESSA-ETS AWD and Super-HICAS 4 wheel steering system give it an immense level of grip and cornering ability...so much so that a GTR can outpull an Enzo on the skidpad. Then there are things like the underrated engine (which is really putting out 500+ HP) and dual clutch gearbox (which basically allows instantaneous shifts with no chance of mis-shifting) that help it accelerate quickly once it gets out of a corner. Having all of these things also takes the driver partially out of the equation on a track, since the driver doesn't really need to watch the throttle in corner exits or rev-match downshifts like he would on a traditional RWD/Manual transmission car.

When you take all this technology into account, it's not that surprising that the GTR can play ball with supercars costing 5 times more.

 

[SithSolo1]

Originally posted by: alkemyst


I don't think anyone is getting one for $70k.

So true, ours came to ~$73K plus tax and destination.

 

[Adul]

i so want this car, wish i would win the lottery this would be my first toy

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: SithSolo1

Originally posted by: alkemyst


I don't think anyone is getting one for $70k.

So true, ours came to ~$73K plus tax and destination.

WHAAAAT!?!?!

Pics or ban :laugh:

 

[996GT2]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: SithSolo1

Originally posted by: alkemyst


I don't think anyone is getting one for $70k.

So true, ours came to ~$73K plus tax and destination.

WHAAAAT!?!?!

Pics or ban :laugh:

TTIWWP

 

[DanTMWTMP]

wow. I'm still a car noob, but I looked at the wiki article on the 'ring's laptimes, and it did better than some insane cars.
This is truly a modern sports car where all other sports car will now be compared to.

 

[996GT2]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
wow. I'm still a car noob, but I looked at the wiki article on the 'ring's laptimes, and it did better than some insane cars.
This is truly a modern sports car where all other sports car will now be compared to.

IIRC it's faster than every factory production car on the Nurburgring except for the Carrera GT (which did 1 second better). There are faster cars like the Radical SR3, but cars like that are really much closer to a race car than to a street car.

Here's the list of the fastest cars around the Nurburgring:

7:11* -- 172.07 km/h -- McLaren F1 #LMXP1 (Promotional Car), Mika Hakkinen, (* not an official source)
7:12* -- 171.67 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 171.18 km/h ? Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael Düchting (nov,6 05)
7:15.63 169.31 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05)
7:18.01 170.24 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004
7:19* -- 168.93 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.),
7:22.9 - 169.07 km/h -- Loaded BMW M3 CSL (tuned to GTR specs) ~600 PS, Richard
7:24* -- 169.65 km/h -- Lexus LF-A, 552 PS/??? kg *unofficial,
7:27.82 167.20 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F Clubsport, 641 PS/1230 kg, Marc Basseng (EVO #112)
7:28* -- 166.65 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, * company test driver Walther Roehrl (Autobild 07/04)
7:29* -- 164.68 km/h -- 2009 Nissan GT-R, ??? PS/??? kg, *company test driver Tochio Suzuki according to mfr.
7:31 --- 164.38 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl
7:32* -- 164.07 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/1230 kg (*mfr.)
7:32* -- 164.07 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/ 1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.)
7:32.18 - 164.07 km/h Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/ 1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl
7:32.44 163.91 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.88 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) ,
7:33 --- 163.71 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06)
7:33 --- 163.71 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/1497 kg (sport auto 11/07)
7:34 --- 163.59 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto, oct,17-18 05)

 

[ponyo]

That time is insane. This car deserves every praise it's getting.

I've read the local dealers in Atlanta are asking $5-10k market adjustment. I don't know if that's really true or not since I haven't checked but that's really low markup. I don't know if you can blame that on the economy.