7.0 Earthquake in Haiti

[Specop 007]

What a jerk. I am sure you would appreciate help if a natural disator impacted you or your family.

These are people in need; they need water, food, shelter, and medical assistance before they can even start putting their lives back together.

I think people would be a lot more motivated to "do the right thing" if they weren't continually brow-beaten for being the cause of all the world's ills, continually viewed like an endless resource to be mined by politicians for whatever pet causes they are worked up about at the moment, and continually told that they are heartless bastards if they don't happily go along with what somebody thinks they should do.

Yes, the people in Hati are in a desperate situation right now, and like we always do America will invest resources into the effort to help Hatians out in their hour of need. But remember this: We're also feeding starving people around the world, protecting helpless people around the world from scumbags that the world criticizes us for killing, funding the function of governments around the world, and in general doing our damnedest to keep the entire planet from descending into chaos. For this we are called warmongers and evil bastards and are so browbeaten that our head of state feels the need to go around apologizing for us to the rest of the planet...like we owe anybody a damn thing.

So before lashing out at what you perceive to be a raw lack of humanity, stop and think a moment about how many times the United States has ridden to the rescue of the helpless and downtrodden. Take a minute or two and look at how many people dug into their own pocketbooks and donated billions to charitable efforts to help people after the tsunami on top of the aid sent by the taxpayers. Look at how much money is given every year to aid organizations like the Red Cross by private individuals, corporations, etc.

The people of our nation are on the whole the most generous people on the face of this planet...but even the most generous person in the world can be soured by an attitude adopted by others that they have an obligation to "do the right thing" and that if they don't do it to the satisfaction of those advocating "help" that laws should be passed to compel them to do it. I, for one, do not feel that compassion is measured by how far I am willing to reach into someone else's checkbook.

Hati has lots of problems. A lot of their problems are the result of their own stupid choices.

 

[Red Dawn]

For this we are called warmongers and evil bastards and are so browbeaten that our head of state feels the need to go around apologizing for us to the rest of the planet...like we owe anybody a damn thing.

Au contraire, we did/do owe the world an apology for George Bush and Dick Cheney and the idiots like you who whole heartedly supported their immoral Foreign Policy even after it was discovered that they had lied.

 

[Specop 007]

Au contraire, we did/do owe the world an apology for George Bush and Dick Cheney and the idiots like you who whole heartedly supported their immoral Foreign Policy even after it was discovered that they had lied.

Oh. You dont mean after Clinton, or Bush, or Reagan.....Just the LAST guy in office. Gotchya.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Oh. You dont mean after Clinton, or Bush, or Reagan.....Just the LAST guy in office. Gotchya.

Nah, Reagan was almost as bad, at least he wasn't outright lying when he went to war or did his sheit, everyone always knew why he did it, well to be honest, everyone with any kind of brain function knows why GW lied his arse off to start an illegal war with Iraq too but these days there are enough people who are so scared of the big bad Osama that the are willing to do anything for some temporary safety.

 

[Specop 007]

Nah, Reagan was almost as bad, at least he wasn't outright lying when he went to war or did his sheit, everyone always knew why he did it, well to be honest, everyone with any kind of brain function knows why GW lied his arse off to start an illegal war with Iraq too but these days there are enough people who are so scared of the big bad Osama that the are willing to do anything for some temporary safety.

I agree. It was shameful that Bush would go to war with a country whose dicta...err....elected president had won the Nobel Peace Prize for his actions. And always so helpful and accommodating to the UN inspectors too.

And all that yellow ca...errr...Oh wait, we never found anything in Iraq, thats right.....

Damn, if you could have just fit a "WAR FOR OIL!' in there......

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I agree. It was shameful that Bush would go to war with a country whose dicta...err....elected president had won the Nobel Peace Prize for his actions. And always so helpful and accommodating to the UN inspectors too.

And all that yellow ca...errr...Oh wait, we never found anything in Iraq, thats right.....

Damn, if you could have just fit a "WAR FOR OIL!' in there......

The Nobel Peace Price became a joke as soon as Arafat got one, it's been a joke ever since.

You honestly don't STILL think that the yellocake story was true? It was admitted that the MI6 made that up even BEFORE the Iraq war, i think you are either extremely uninformed or so ignorant that letting you live is just wasting oxygen.

NO WMD's, not one, not even the ones that were stolen after we were ordered NOT to
guard the UN bunkers were WMD's anymore. No terrorist connections, not even one.

It wasn't for oil, the war in Afghanistan, where i was at the time, was almost won, the Taliban were pushed back and the LOT of Al Quaida were cornered, then the US decided to remove everyone from that area and go to war with Iraq, leaving 13000 there, most of them were not even soldiers, they were cooks and administration personel, removed the air support completely and now... well now the chance of doing anything with the Taliban is long gone.

So what i think is the real reason was that the WOT was about to end and they didn't want that, so they invented a second theatre that, if nothing else, would keep the war going indefinently.

And they were very successful with that, now there are two wars that cannot possibly be won.

I'm saying this being deployed in Afghanistan again, i wish i was wrong but i know and everyone who knows anything on the matter knows that i am right.

 

[Specop 007]

The Nobel Peace Price became a joke as soon as Arafat got one, it's been a joke ever since.

You honestly don't STILL think that the yellocake story was true? It was admitted that the MI6 made that up even BEFORE the Iraq war, i think you are either extremely uninformed or so ignorant that letting you live is just wasting oxygen.

NO WMD's, not one, not even the ones that were stolen after we were ordered NOT to
guard the UN bunkers were WMD's anymore. No terrorist connections, not even one.

It wasn't for oil, the war in Afghanistan, where i was at the time, was almost won, the Taliban were pushed back and the LOT of Al Quaida were cornered, then the US decided to remove everyone from that area and go to war with Iraq, leaving 13000 there, most of them were not even soldiers, they were cooks and administration personel, removed the air support completely and now... well now the chance of doing anything with the Taliban is long gone.

So what i think is the real reason was that the WOT was about to end and they didn't want that, so they invented a second theatre that, if nothing else, would keep the war going indefinently.

And they were very successful with that, now there are two wars that cannot possibly be won.

I'm saying this being deployed in Afghanistan again, i wish i was wrong but i know and everyone who knows anything on the matter knows that i am right.

I could come up with a book of people who are, right now, deployed who would say you are full of shit on the Iraq issue. Otherwise I agree, we should have focused on Afghanistan. We should have went full retard with some insane scorch the earth policies. But, we didnt.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I could come up with a book of people who are, right now, deployed who would say you are full of shit on the Iraq issue. Otherwise I agree, we should have focused on Afghanistan. We should have went full retard with some insane scorch the earth policies. But, we didnt.

Sure you could.

NOT EVEN ONE but keep fantasising about it.

All of this was known before the war, hell, why do you think Powell was laughed out of the UN when he tried to give a presentation he KNEW was false?

No one disputes this shit anymore, any sane human being with an ounce of sense already know it, i'm fairly sure you know it too but dismiss it because you reject reality and replace it with your own fixed up reality.

What should have been done was to end the war when it was doable but the US admin knew damn well that that would mean the end for that admin and the payday would be over for all of their buddies. So they removed everyone from that area and created TWO wars that cannot be won now.

Of course, completely fucked in the head twats like yourself won't blame THEM for that, you'll blame those who come afterward, or if the repubs win the next one, the ones before them. You have to justify your own stupidity by going into extra special stupid mode and repeat things like the Niger thing, something that was ADMITTED to being a created story using knowingly false information, hell the men in MI6 who created the document were charged for it. (nothing happened because they were ordered to do what they did, Blair left office three days later).

 

[werepossum]

I could come up with a book of people who are, right now, deployed who would say you are full of shit on the Iraq issue. Otherwise I agree, we should have focused on Afghanistan. We should have went full retard with some insane scorch the earth policies. But, we didnt.

Iraq had over five hundred metric tons of yellow cake uranium, which if memory serves was sold to Canada. What it didn't have was sufficient processing to refine a reasonable quantity to bomb grade a reasonable time. Even its purchaser has a lot of refining to do to reach reactor grade. But I'd suggest if you want to argue the point, you start with a pig, pigs being smarter, more polite, more open minded, and generally in every way more pleasant.

 

[adlep]

Iraq had over five hundred metric tons of yellow cake uranium, which if memory serves was sold to Canada. What it didn't have was sufficient processing to refine a reasonable quantity to bomb grade a reasonable time. Even its purchaser has a lot of refining to do to reach reactor grade. But I'd suggest if you want to argue the point, you start with a pig, pigs being smarter, more polite, more open minded, and generally in every way more pleasant.

TN?

That explains a lot...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Iraq had over five hundred metric tons of yellow cake uranium, which if memory serves was sold to Canada. What it didn't have was sufficient processing to refine a reasonable quantity to bomb grade a reasonable time. Even its purchaser has a lot of refining to do to reach reactor grade. But I'd suggest if you want to argue the point, you start with a pig, pigs being smarter, more polite, more open minded, and generally in every way more pleasant.

Jesus christ, the entire fucking thing was a made up story, not one ounce of Yellow cake was EVER sold to Iraq, it was an MI6 hoax that got our PM to resign.

You retards still believe in this shit? It was admitted to being a lie in '03 for christs sake.

Not ONE gram was sold to Iraq, not one gram was found and Canada wasn't even in the fucking discussion at all, stop trying to make your imagination into reality.

NOT ONE GRAM of URANIUM WAS EVER IN IRAQ! Get it? Got that?

Holy fuck some of you twats are retarded.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I'll await the centifuges bullsheit to come up next, i don't have the time to explain it to the retards, could someone else take over and educate these fucked beyond belief idiots for a while?

 

[Zargon]

Jesus christ, the entire fucking thing was a made up story, not one ounce of Yellow cake was EVER sold to Iraq, it was an MI6 hoax that got our PM to resign.

You retards still believe in this shit? It was admitted to being a lie in '03 for christs sake.

Not ONE gram was sold to Iraq, not one gram was found and Canada wasn't even in the fucking discussion at all, stop trying to make your imagination into reality.

NOT ONE GRAM of URANIUM WAS EVER IN IRAQ! Get it? Got that?

Holy fuck some of you twats are retarded.

if you are going to be so blatant, and profane. Provide the link proving the rant.......and have a drink!

 

[werepossum]

if you are going to be so blatant, and profane. Provide the link proving the rant.......and have a drink!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/06/world/fg-cake6

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/iraqs-yellowcake/81328/

Honestly, how you tolerate these glistening pustules of total ignorance is beyond me when blessed relief is but an ignore away. But I salute your patience and forbearing.

And Fern is of course correct; Obama has reacted as well as anyone could have. Clearing urban streets of partially collapsed and largely shoddily built buildings is slow and dangerous work, and imperils any survivors still trapped in the wreckage. We got the airport open in record time, as it's one of our military's specialties. But opening up the lines of communication will take time and large amounts of manpower, quite a lot of it skilled.

 

[Zargon]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/06/world/fg-cake6

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/iraqs-yellowcake/81328/

Honestly, how you tolerate these pustules of total ignorance is beyond me when blessed relief is but an ignore away. But I salute your patience and forbearing.

And Fern is of course correct; Obama has reacted as well as anyone could have. Clearing urban streets of partially collapsed and largely shoddily built buildings is slow and dangerous work, and imperils any survivors still trapped in the wreckage. We got the airport open in record time, as it's one of our military's specialties. But opening up the lines of communication will take time and large amounts of manpower, quite a lot of it skilled.

^_^

 

[spacejamz]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/06/world/fg-cake6

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/iraqs-yellowcake/81328/

Honestly, how you tolerate these glistening pustules of total ignorance is beyond me when blessed relief is but an ignore away. But I salute your patience and forbearing.

And Fern is of course correct; Obama has reacted as well as anyone could have. Clearing urban streets of partially collapsed and largely shoddily built buildings is slow and dangerous work, and imperils any survivors still trapped in the wreckage. We got the airport open in record time, as it's one of our military's specialties. But opening up the lines of communication will take time and large amounts of manpower, quite a lot of it skilled.

gotta pull up a lawnchair and get some fresh popcorn ready....the reply should be entertaining...

any over/under on how many times the word 'twat' will be used???

 

[werepossum]

gotta pull up a lawnchair and get some fresh popcorn ready....the reply should be entertaining...

any over/under on how many times the word 'twat' will be used???

LOL Doesn't matter, I won't see it unless someone quotes it.

 

[Craig234]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/06/world/fg-cake6

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/iraqs-yellowcake/81328/

Honestly, how you tolerate these glistening pustules of total ignorance is beyond me when blessed relief is but an ignore away. But I salute your patience and forbearing.

And Fern is of course correct; Obama has reacted as well as anyone could have. Clearing urban streets of partially collapsed and largely shoddily built buildings is slow and dangerous work, and imperils any survivors still trapped in the wreckage. We got the airport open in record time, as it's one of our military's specialties. But opening up the lines of communication will take time and large amounts of manpower, quite a lot of it skilled.

The important part of the story from a link above:

U.N. inspectors had documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Persian Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the senior U.S. official said.