Question 6900xt, 5600x, 3600mhz 16 cas memory, and only getting 190 fps in Valley in 1440P????

[funboy6942]

I built a computer for my sons friend, with same mobo, Asus X570 TUF Gaming Plus (WIFI), same cpu 5600x, and a 6800 NON X, and got 200fps, why am I not beating the pants off his? I have size bar on, mem over clocked, and in performance mode, and Im only getting 190??? Is there something Im missing or is the 6900xt a dog? I am also using a 1000 watt psu, and Im running under 55C in full load, and 36c at idle, so not throttling at all, I just dont get it, for my sons computer with a 3600 non x, and a 6700xt is but 20 frames slower than mine :O
What gives, any ideas for I tried everything I know and threw the book at it......

 

[Iron Woode]

I built a computer for my sons friend, with same mobo, Asus X570 TUF Gaming Plus (WIFI), same cpu 5600x, and a 6800 NON X, and got 200fps, why am I not beating the pants off his? I have size bar on, mem over clocked, and in performance mode, and Im only getting 190??? Is there something Im missing or is the 6900xt a dog? I am also using a 1000 watt psu, and Im running under 55C in full load, and 36c at idle, so not throttling at all, I just dont get it, for my sons computer with a 3600 non x, and a 6700xt is but 20 frames slower than mine :O
What gives, any ideas for I tried everything I know and threw the book at it......

is this a game or a benchmark? How much ram?

For those specs you need more CPU. A 5800x or even a 5800x3d will give you more performance than a 5600x will.

My next upgrade will be a 5800x to replace my 3600. I will also bring up my ram to 32gb of 3600 cas 16.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I have a 3600 and a 5600. There is a big difference between Zen 2 and Zen 3. I am not just talking mhz. I agree you need to get at least a 5700x or better for that kind of GPU. Memory timings matter. The other thing is drivers could be an issue on the 6900xt. Finally the game may not be optimized for running 200+ fps. So it could be a software bottleneck rather than a CPU bottleneck.

 

[funboy6942]

Sorry, its Valley benchmark, and 16gb of DDR4 3600mhz cas 16 ram using the newest drivers for everything down to even chipset, and windows upgrade.

My sons pc using a 3600 non x and a 6700xt, I should be way faster than him then 20fps. And the pc I built did it with a average of 198 fps, so me with a 6900XT should get better than a 6800 non xt running same board, and cpu, same memory size and speed.....I would think :O

 

[nurturedhate]

Valley is cpu bound. It's from 2013 and uses essentially 1 core. I'm getting 210fps on a 5900x/3800ram/7900xtx w/ roughjly 60% utilization on the 7900xtx.

 

[funboy6942]

Still why is a 6800 non xt scoring higher on the same hardware as my 6900xt, shouldnt it still be faster by a large margin?

 

[MrPickins]

Still why is a 6800 non xt scoring higher on the same hardware as my 6900xt, shouldnt it still be faster by a large margin?

It looks like the bottleneck for both PCs is the 5600x CPU. The numbers are close enough (190 vs 200 fps) that any other program eating up some CPU cycles on your new build could cause the 5% drop.

You should check the GPU utilization in the AMD drivers to see if the 6900xt is even stretching its legs.

 

[Saylick]

Still why is a 6800 non xt scoring higher on the same hardware as my 6900xt, shouldnt it still be faster by a large margin?

Because that's one sweet RX6800 you got there.

But seriously, try swapping the two graphics cards and seeing if you see the same trend. If so, it's likely not the GPU that's the bottleneck.

 

[funboy6942]

I just ran superposition on mine and my sons rig (3600 non x and 6700xt) and my pc was twice as fast. Guess Im just too darn old school and love me the valley to listen to its music and sweet graphics for I got a average of 142 FPS on it where my son barely got 70 fps. Before I bought my 5600x I youtubed all the cpu's from it on up, and only diff that I could find was it was faster if I did creator stuff, or streamed, but when gaming was lucky to see 4fps better all the way up to a 5900x :O which is why I chose to buy a 5600x for I couldnt see spending more money to gain 4 fps difference or features Id never use. I got a score of 16K and change, my son got 7K and change, so I am happy, thanks for all the input!

And yeah, that was one sweet 6800 being a 6800 Gigabyte Master he just loves the pc I built for him with that card :O

 

[Iron Woode]

here is my Valley run with my R5 3600 and 1070 Ti:

 

[Shmee]

I just ran superposition on mine and my sons rig (3600 non x and 6700xt) and my pc was twice as fast. Guess Im just too darn old school and love me the valley to listen to its music and sweet graphics for I got a average of 142 FPS on it where my son barely got 70 fps. Before I bought my 5600x I youtubed all the cpu's from it on up, and only diff that I could find was it was faster if I did creator stuff, or streamed, but when gaming was lucky to see 4fps better all the way up to a 5900x :O which is why I chose to buy a 5600x for I couldnt see spending more money to gain 4 fps difference or features Id never use. I got a score of 16K and change, my son got 7K and change, so I am happy, thanks for all the input!

And yeah, that was one sweet 6800 being a 6800 Gigabyte Master he just loves the pc I built for him with that card :O

I wonder, what resolutions are you running the benchmarks at? And are you using custom settings? These can also affect performance. That said, I agree with others that Valley is probably CPU limited at this point, and any differences in FPS are going to be likely caused by other, minor factors such as RAM and other processes/applications open.

Luckily for you and your son, since both of you are on AM4, if yall have the money, you could both get a big upgrade to a 5800X3D. Or maybe just upgrade your own rig, and then give him your 5600X and sell the 3600. Being AM4 boards, these upgrades are pretty straight forward and safe, no need to worry about bending pins in sockets when upgrading. Just remember to update the BIOS first if needed.

 

[funboy6942]

2560x1440, and Ill have to watch a video to see if I will really gain much fps vs my 5600x in games, for I know once you go higher in models you dont gain much in fps but rather doing creative stuff, or compression, but in games anything higher than a 5600x you may see 4-6fps gains.

 

[funboy6942]

OUCH, thats a $330 cpu :O

 

[Shmee]

OUCH, thats a $330 cpu :O

Yeah, the CPUs with 3D cache are more expensive, generally because they have all that extra cache, and perform better in games due to it.

 

[Thunder 57]

The 5700X is currently about half the price if you don't need the extra cache. It would be a nice upgrade from a 3600 but I wouldn't bother going from a 5600X to a 5700X.

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[funboy6942]

I plan on getting him a 5600x, or at tax time if I can afford to upgrade going with a 7800xt, and the newest am5 set up that I can afford that better. If what I can afford is no better than what I have then Ill upgrade my son to a 5600x for it will smack his 3600 non x in the booty
I upgraded from a 3600x, and so glad I did. But I would like to go to a 7800xt to take advantage of the AMD stuff that only works on the RDNA 3 gen cards, and Ill give him my 6900xt and sell off the 6700xt and his old 3600 on the cheap.

Yeah, the CPUs with 3D cache are more expensive, generally because they have all that extra cache, and perform better in games due to it.


The video I watched between that cpu and my 5600x was all over the place, where in some areas my cpu was beating it, then there was others where it was killing mine with over 20fps. I'd love to get it,, just right now cannot justify the $330 price tag for just the cpu. ATM I cannot complain for with the games I play and everything maxed, at 3840x1440, Im at my monitors 155hz all the time, and for sure my tv's 120hz. I was just not understanding how it was in Valley I couldnt keep up with a 6800 non x, when we are running the same specs, and still not sure how that really is. We have the same everything but video cards, which would mean in the lower titles I like to play, his pc is kicking the crud out of mine if thats the case :O

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I plan on getting him a 5600x, or at tax time if I can afford to upgrade going with a 7800xt, and the newest am5 set up that I can afford that better. If what I can afford is no better than what I have then Ill upgrade my son to a 5600x for it will smack his 3600 non x in the booty
I upgraded from a 3600x, and so glad I did. But I would like to go to a 7800xt to take advantage of the AMD stuff that only works on the RDNA 3 gen cards, and Ill give him my 6900xt and sell off the 6700xt and his old 3600 on the cheap.

Yeah the 5600X is a nice uplift over the 3600. The differences go beyond what you see in reviews in my experience with them. The 5600X and 5600 have a better memory controller than any of the 3600s I used. Zen 2 wasn't a good overclocker/boost clocker for me either. Where as I put the Zen 3 CPUs in ECO mode with the max 200MHz boost clock with up to 4133 MT/s ram. They spank the 3600 soundly when it's all said and done.

I take it you don't have Microcenter near you either. The 5600X3D should be a killer deal come the holiday sales. That would be a great CPU for under $200.

 

[funboy6942]

No, I live in the sticks, and thank god I do, for Id be broke all the time with a MC near me bad enough Amazon gets most my money right now. I want to upgrade my crappy samsung evo 970 to a WD black. I stuck that in his system, and man was it quicker booting up than mine, and not too sure if that would be why his was faster, but its the only thing different between ours other than the gpu. The price imo is good on that little drive too at $129 for 2 tb, and a LOT faster specs too, so though mine is a 4x4 that one is well over 2x faster than what I have.

Being on disability sux for the only time I have any "real" money to do any upgrade and get stuff needed for the house is at tax time, so Im always missing out on the sales

And yes, going from a 3600, I gained over 50fps, and just using my board auto overclocking stuff.

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[Rigg]

Yeah the 5600X is a nice uplift over the 3600. The differences go beyond what you see in reviews in my experience with them. The 5600X and 5600 have a better memory controller than any of the 3600s I used. Zen 2 wasn't a good overclocker/boost clocker for me either. Where as I put the Zen 3 CPUs in ECO mode with the max 200MHz boost clock with up to 4133 MT/s ram. They spank the 3600 soundly when it's all said and done.

I take it you don't have Microcenter near you either. The 5600X3D should be a killer deal come the holiday sales. That would be a great CPU for under $200.

I’ve owned a bunch of 3600 and 3600x CPU’s. At least 6 or 7 over the years. The early ones I bought on launch day were dogs compared to the last one I bought a few months before zen 3 launched.

That one is a beast. I still have it. It’s stable at 4.5 at 1.3v. 4 sticks of 4400 patriot b-die does 3800 c16 1900 fabric easy with tight subs. I pushed it considerably farther than that but never got it 100% stable. I got bored with tweaking it and settled at 16-16-16-32 because it was good enough. The 3600’s mem controller was slightly better than my 5800x’s controller using the same kit and board.

The board is a pretty big variable in my experience when it comes to zen mem oc. The zen 2 and 3 IOD’s are the same so there shouldn’t really be any difference with a later production chiplet based zen 2 and zen 3.

My 5700g did 4000 with 2000 FCLK on an ITX board with 2 sticks of b die. Monolithic FTW. I assume that’s a 5700g or 5600g you’re running at 4133? Asynchronous FCLK? That seems damn good for FCLK if synced. IDK I didn’t play with mine for that long when I had it and haven’t read up enough on what people are getting out of them. Having the MCLK and FCLK asynchronous is terrible for latency so unless you’re doing it for GPU memory bandwidth it’s a bad idea. You probably already know that though.

The X cpus are usually a waste of money if there is a non X variant of the same SKU available IMO. Having compared some that were manufactured the same month there doesn’t seem to be much if any binning advantage. The non X are just power limited. Getting them to boost just as high is trivial with some PBO settings.

This thread has me curious to see how my ultra tweaked 13700k / 6900xt combo does in the old valley bench. I don’t think I’ve ever run that. I might have to try it when I get home from my business trip next week.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

@Rigg

That last one you had was a silicon lottery winner alright. I built with 4 or 5 3600s and none of them would do 3600MT/s stable even with extra voltage. I used half a dozen ram kits and 3 or 4 different boards over time. I think 3466 was the best I ever managed with a CL16 or 18 kit. None of them were good overclockers either. I stop trying for all core overclocks as I could never get higher gaming performance vs max single core boost clock with my AM4 CPUs. Meanwhile heat and power were higher = bust.

And you are correct, at the moment the 4133 TridentZ is with 2000FCLK on a 5700G. The extra bandwidth is really for gaming on the Vega with no dGPU. That's how the board set it and I haven't tried manually going for sync because it is rock solid this way. I don't putz around with overclocking too much anymore. There isn't much extra gaming performance to be had over the auto settings, and instability and noise are my nemesis as I age. I will use the curve optimizer to undervolt a bit that's about as far as I take things now. Radeon I will play with the sliders a bit that's enough for me.

I had a 5600G that did 4.7GHz all core just by clicking game mode in the Tomahawk's UEFI. Used less voltage than the aggressive stock settings the board came with. Yup, for me manual overclocking is pretty much dead. Zen 2 got rekt head to head in my own testing once boost clocks, ram speed, and superior IPC combined.

 

[funboy6942]

If anyone cares to try......Only setting I have on in my mobo is performance mode, Memory auto overclock, and size bar on, I don't know how to over clock so that's as far as I can do for I'm too scared I may break something and be out for a very long time without my pc :O

Here is 8K


Here is 4K


And here is 1080P EXTREAME!!!!!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

What a boring benchmark It misreports my OS as win10.

 

[funboy6942]

WAIT, I thought that cpu was the cats meow!?!?!? What video card you running? For a little game, that garfield racing game is quite fun, isnt it?Yes it is VERY boring, why I love valley......and if not to much trouble just for fun run it too and lets see what you get

 

[DAPUNISHER]

WAIT, I thought that cpu was the cats meow!?!?!? What video card you running? For a little game, that garfield racing game is quite fun, isnt it?

It's a RX 7800XT, and almost matching your Red Devil 6900XT.

I don't think this old benchmark is reflective of the big cache at all. I went from minor frame pacing issues in Spiderman Miles Morales with ray tracing using a 5800X@505MHz to perfect on the 3D. Ditto Gotham Knights. Sims like MS flight sim, Assetto Corsa, and some others see a massive performance uplift versus a 5600X. Not all games or benchmarks benefit, but when they do, man do they.

 

[funboy6942]

I couldnt see myself paying $330 for another cpu on a maybe

Here is my Valley benches:

2560x1440P


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