how will this compare price & performance wise to the x850? i need more upgrade options for my old 9800pro.
Might be cheaper, but *certainly* not faster than an X850XT (unless you meant the X850Pro, which it would probably beat). Having its core at 400Mhz basically makes it competitive with the 6800GT.
I couldn't agree less... I'd much rather have a 4-pipe advantage then a 50MHz advantage ANY day of the week. No way 50MHz = 4-pipes in game performance. There is a reason NVidia is releasing it as a "GS" and not a "GTX"... the same reason it is cheaper then the 6800GT... it's simply not as fast (close, but not that close). We're talking about the AGP version here, not the PCI-E version... same core minus 4-pipes, and either equal (Albatron) or 50Mhz faster (XFX)... in either case, this is a slower card then the 6800GT.
I think the Albatron specs are probably NVidia specs for the AGP 6800GS. XFX sounds like they are doing a "BFG-style" overclock over NVidia specs. This is a differant card then the PCI-E version, and it sounds to me like NVidia is basically releasing the 6800GT minus 4-pipes at stock specs. Sounds like XFX is overclocking off the bat (like BFG does).
AGP is going to fall even FARTHER down the totem pole soon.
With the release of PCIE only uber-cards coming in a month or two, the AGP refugees will be hoping in vain for that generation as well, saying things like, "They cant forget us! We're 70% of the market! Someone will realize we're out here and make a card for us!"
The rest of us will be paying fair prices for high end parts and gaming like modern men.
With the release of PCIE only uber-cards coming in a month or two, the AGP refugees will be hoping in vain for that generation as well, saying things like, "They cant forget us! We're 70% of the market! Someone will realize we're out here and make a card for us!"
The rest of us will be paying fair prices for high end parts and gaming like modern men.
And this contributed to the topic how? Do you have information about the 6800GS AGP? That would help me out alot. Thanks!
Asus already did this long ago-
The 6800GS looks to be the return of the Asus V9999 GE">http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=846&redirect=yes</a>!
okay Rollo you made your point, i know, you know, everyone else knows that AGP is on it's way out and PCI-E is in, but the point us AGP users are trying to make, is what does NVIDIA and ATI have to lose to by releasing a high end agp? there is still a large AGP market out there. do they think or you think that modern men couldn't afford to pay for a high end AGP card.
apoppin
Lifer
and you know this how . . . ?
official nVidia Spokesman
there is an excellent chance to see the top cards in AGP . . . you have been so wrong so many times before . . . i don't mind waiting a bit for your "fair" prices to become reasonable to me. And you're aren't a 'modern gamer' as much as a Hardware Snob.
Sales of PCIE chipsets that make up a large part of their revenue? The chance you'll buy two video cards instead of one on a SLI or Crossfire board?
Why would ATI/nVidia want to make it easy for you to keep your old motherboards when they are aggressively trying to gain ground in the motherboard business?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20051130225721.html
:roll:
As stated before, I game every day of my life practically.
I don't have hours to wade through games so I finish very few, and more often than not I just hop into Q4 or UT2004 online these days, but what kind of doofus says things like "You don't fit my definition of gaming, you're not a real gamer".
I could just as easily say you're not a real gamer because no real gamer could stand the eyesore settings your primitive rig generates, but I don't?
Feel free to post nine or ten emoticons you somehow think are communication- I think you've been watching the chimps with their keyboards too much!
apoppin
Lifer
You are that same doofus that puts down other peoples rigs . . . a Hardware Snob. i don't think you really 'get it'.
Lets not turn this into a PCI-E vs AGP thread... we all know which way the market is heading. If some 30-year old living in his mother's basement playing video games 24/7 wants to spend all his earnings from his McDonalds job on having the best gaming computer on the planet wants to mock all of us lesser men who have wives and children to support for not having enough spare cash to buy a new MB & CPU every month to keep up with the cellar-dwellers, then let him.
Some people have pretty-decent AGP rigs and just because one slot on their MB doesn't have a shiny plastic sheen to it, shouldn't mean we're not "modern men", or any lesser of people because we choose to cloth our children our take our wives out to dinner instead of buying a whole new system every other month.
Taking 7 out of every 10 possible customers out of your potential list of buyers is just stupid economics in anyone's book. Wal-Mart grosses more money then Saks Fifth Avenue for a reason. They cater to more customers instead of being "elitist snobs" and eliminating most people walking on the planet to cater to a select few. Money may make you richer, but it doesn't buy manners.
So... back on subject, what's the latest word on the street on the AGP 6800GS?
Some people have pretty-decent AGP rigs and just because one slot on their MB doesn't have a shiny plastic sheen to it, shouldn't mean we're not "modern men", or any lesser of people because we choose to cloth our children our take our wives out to dinner instead of buying a whole new system every other month.
Taking 7 out of every 10 possible customers out of your potential list of buyers is just stupid economics in anyone's book. Wal-Mart grosses more money then Saks Fifth Avenue for a reason. They cater to more customers instead of being "elitist snobs" and eliminating most people walking on the planet to cater to a select few. Money may make you richer, but it doesn't buy manners.
So... back on subject, what's the latest word on the street on the AGP 6800GS?
apoppin
Lifer
How long from announcement to market?
i am guessing a month
and i finally have time to troubleshoot my 9800xt [day off . . . . actually off work - 'till Tueday]
:thumbsup:
i am guessing a month
and i finally have time to troubleshoot my 9800xt [day off . . . . actually off work - 'till Tueday]
:thumbsup:
apoppin
Lifer
you wouldn't be so happy if your video card failed
but the it might not be the card.
i'd love to have my 9800xt work another couple of months until the high[er]end AGP cards are out . ..
. . . and they will be
[imo]
Do you have a 2nd video card to test the system with? Even if it's an old clunky GeForce2MX or something? (I've got one of those usless cards collecting dust somewhere in the house).
Always nice to have a spare video card to test these types of things out and narrow your problem down! Good luck (you AGP bum you!
)
apoppin
Lifer
thanks!Originally posted by: Wolfshanze
Do you have a 2nd video card to test the system with? Even if it's an old clunky GeForce2MX or something? (I've got one of those usless cards collecting dust somewhere in the house).
Always nice to have a spare video card to test these types of things out and narrow your problem down! Good luck (you AGP bum you!
of course . . . how do you think i am posting . . . psychically?
it's a 8MB PCI SIS card
:thumbsup:
great little card for failed BIOS flashes, inbetween cards . . . not so great for the eyes - 10x7 @ 75hz. . .
i could always pick a 9200SE from mwave for $22 shipped [current Hot Deal}
. . . VGA rules
:thumbsup:
Don't talk that McJob smack to me Wolfshanze. My wife and I are both degreed professionals who each earn enough to pay our bills, gives me a little freedom to buy toys for myself and our five year old.
My point stands- people with AGP are hosed for high end gaming now, and probably forever. I made no comment on whether you're lesser or greater as a person.
My point stands: what nVidia and ATI lose in GPU sales, they stand to make up in motherboard and multi GPU sales.
Whatever you've been up to doesn't seem to be working either, calling me a cellar dwelling McJobber? (although you're right, I do spend a lot of time in my basement rec room because that's where my computer is)
Rollo, you sure spent a lot of time quoting me and getting all defensive... I never once quoted any of your posts nor mentioned your name. If what I said resembled your actual life, I apologize. Obviously something I said must have made you think "he's talking about me!".
Albatron 6800GS out by the new year? Hmmm... for the price it's good I guess, just not all that excited that they took a 6800GT cut four pipes and called it a new card. Oh well.
Agreed... the only nice thing is the cheaper price. Nonetheless the 6800GT is still the better card of the two.
Albatron 6800GS out by the new year? Hmmm... for the price it's good I guess, just not all that excited that they took a 6800GT cut four pipes and called it a new card. Oh well.
You quoting my "modern men" statement sort of tipped me off?
Anyway your whole argument was pretty much only applicable to you, you can't generalize like that.
A lot of people would call you a hardware elitist with money to burn looking at your rig. Others might think you must be poor. It's all relative, so you can't just say "Some people have to take their wife to Red Lobster and buy their kid a scooter" when those aren't options for people beneath your income level and all of the above are options for those above it.
Actually more then one person had mentioned "modern men" in this thread... I was simply going with the flow.
This forum itself is actually a poor representation of the average computer user. Looking at most of the sig lines around here, you'll find a very high percentage of PCI-E 7800GT and equivelant users.
There's plenty of people on this forum who go around laughing at the "low-end" specs of systems like the one in my sig-line. There's lots of threads where you can find examples like that. All I'm saying is that if somebody has an AGP system (especially a higher-end AGP system), there is little to no reason to upgrade to a PCI-E system. For somebody with a 2.4-3.0GHz AGP system to upgrade to a PCI-E system just to get a video card is a lot of money just to upgrade one slot on the MB.
There seems to be a preponderance of AGP-bashing of one sort or another going around on this forum by the "elitist" PCI-E owners... I'm not sure why either. We all know the market is going to PCI-E... nobody questions that... what people question is why so large a market of AGP owners are being ignored by the card manufacturers... and NO, it doesn't make economic sense at all, no matter how you try and rationalize it.
Hell, you can still rent new VHS movies at Blockbuster 10-years after DVDs have come out, yet nobody claims VHS is the wave of the future. After all, it makes economic sense for movie studios to cater to the VHS market. So why can't AGP users get a current video card a year or two after PCI-E shows up? It would FINANCIALLY BENEFIT the video card makers to appeal to the vast majority of the market!
This forum itself is actually a poor representation of the average computer user. Looking at most of the sig lines around here, you'll find a very high percentage of PCI-E 7800GT and equivelant users.
There's plenty of people on this forum who go around laughing at the "low-end" specs of systems like the one in my sig-line. There's lots of threads where you can find examples like that. All I'm saying is that if somebody has an AGP system (especially a higher-end AGP system), there is little to no reason to upgrade to a PCI-E system. For somebody with a 2.4-3.0GHz AGP system to upgrade to a PCI-E system just to get a video card is a lot of money just to upgrade one slot on the MB.
There seems to be a preponderance of AGP-bashing of one sort or another going around on this forum by the "elitist" PCI-E owners... I'm not sure why either. We all know the market is going to PCI-E... nobody questions that... what people question is why so large a market of AGP owners are being ignored by the card manufacturers... and NO, it doesn't make economic sense at all, no matter how you try and rationalize it.
Hell, you can still rent new VHS movies at Blockbuster 10-years after DVDs have come out, yet nobody claims VHS is the wave of the future. After all, it makes economic sense for movie studios to cater to the VHS market. So why can't AGP users get a current video card a year or two after PCI-E shows up? It would FINANCIALLY BENEFIT the video card makers to appeal to the vast majority of the market!
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