6800 or 6800gt??

[FFactory0x]

I have a 9700 pro and ordered 512mb more rtam so i have 1gb. I have around $500 but dont want to spend that all. What the best bet if i sell my 9700pro card? Should i get the 6800 or 6800gt. Theres about a $120 difference

 

[Gamingphreek]

We need more system specs. What CPu and Mobo are you running. All that stuff before we can provide an accurate answer.

-Kevin

 

[FFactory0x]

2100+ at 2.3 ghz 400fsb
epox 8rda+
antec 350watt ps
1gb pc3200 ram

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well your CPu is gonna be a bottle neck right now.. I would get the 6800Nu and upgrade either you CPU m/B or both.

-Kevin

 

[JBT]

It would depend on the Monitor IMO. If you have a good monitor that does 1600x1200 at a decent refresh rate I would go GT if you are just going to run 1280x960 then the vanilla is fine. You can probably get 120 or so for the 9700. I sold my 9500 Pro for 95 and the 9700 series was a good bit faster.

 

[wkabel23]

What resolution are you going to want to run future games at? If only 1024x768 I think the 6800 will do just fine. If you're going to want higher resolutions/more eye candy the 6800GT would be better.

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well your CPu is gonna be a bottle neck right now.. I would get the 6800Nu and upgrade either you CPU m/B or both.

-Kevin

If it's at 2.3ghz he should be fine with any graphics card. Well weigh your wants and needs and see if you really NEED a 6800GT for the games that you'll be playing.

 

[Bateluer]

Good luck trying to find a GT in stock right now

 

[FFactory0x]

Originally posted by: wkabel23
What resolution are you going to want to run future games at? If only 1024x768 I think the 6800 will do just fine. If you're going to want higher resolutions/more eye candy the 6800GT would be better.

Well my moniter does 1024x768 85hz
and above that around 1280x whatever at like 75

Its a bit older. If i could run at 1024x768 will all eyecandy, i am game. I usually run my games at this anyway with no aa or af

 

[FFactory0x]

Originally posted by: stardust

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well your CPu is gonna be a bottle neck right now.. I would get the 6800Nu and upgrade either you CPU m/B or both.

-Kevin

If it's at 2.3ghz he should be fine with any graphics card. Well weigh your wants and needs and see if you really NEED a 6800GT for the games that you'll be playing.

BTW my proc at 2.3ghz equals above a 3200+ so basically like a 3.2 ghz p4

 

[Genx87]

GT is better suited for that system.

Tough to find one in stock atm. But evga has a pre-order going right now where it ships on the 10th of August.

 

[FFactory0x]

thats what i thought. I really dont think there would be a bottle neck plus my bday is in nov so i can grab a new monitor then

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: FFactory0x
thats what i thought. I really dont think there would be a bottle neck plus my bday is in nov so i can grab a new monitor then

In this case, sense u can afford it, get the GT. It will probably last u longer then a reg 6800 and will not ever let u down in frames in the upcomming games for this yr and next yr at any settings that id assume ud wanna run.

 

[BFG10K]

If i could run at 1024x768 will all eyecandy, i am game. I usually run my games at this anyway with no aa or af

You'll need a GT for that. Also consider upgrading your platform too.

 

[JBT]

I'd go with the GT if you plan on getting a new nice monitor.

 

[zodder]

6800GT. Since most clock to Ultra levels, It's like comparing the plain 6800 to a 6800 Ultra. Needless to say, there is no comparison.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well your CPu is gonna be a bottle neck right now.. I would get the 6800Nu and upgrade either you CPU m/B or both.

-Kevin

Every CPU is a bottleneck right now, even an A64. However an 2.3 xp is faster than a 3200+ and looking at the 3200+ benchmarks on HardOCP for doom 3, the ultra performed bettter than the gt meaning the 3200+ is NOT bottlenecking it.


Anyway, I say GT. Why?

16 pipes vs 12

256mb vs 128

imho it's worth it

If you really cant decide buy an evga 6800 and use their step up program to get a gt or ultra later.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

If i could run at 1024x768 will all eyecandy, i am game. I usually run my games at this anyway with no aa or af

You'll need a GT for that. Also consider upgrading your platform too.

imho upgrading past a 2.3 xp is worthless. the 64 tech is still way to expensive, and the doom 3 benchmarks show us it certiantly isn't necessary. the 3200+ kept up very well.

 

[RussianSensation]

6800GT and overclock it to around Ultra specs (most do 420/1150)

No matter how high you overclock the regular 6800, it will not be up to snuff (esp in AA/AF modes)

Xbitlabs.com has an overclocking article for 6800 series cards, but right now I cant log onto that article for some reason (maybe their server is down or my net is messed). Go read it when you have time.

 

[mAsTAd]

Well, I just bought a regular eVGA 6800 and it runz far cry at max resoulution and graphics quality w/ 4xAF without any lags or anything. If you think its not good enough for Doom 3 and HL2 then after u get the games use eVGa stepup like im planning to do for D3 + HL2. But, IMO the regualr 6800 is an amazing card.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well your CPu is gonna be a bottle neck right now.. I would get the 6800Nu and upgrade either you CPU m/B or both.

-Kevin

Listen a 2.4 ghz P4 + x800pro DESTROYS p4 3.2ghz + 9800xt. I am sick and tired of people recommending to buy slower cards to anyone with a decent cpu. He has about 3300+xp speed which is way faster than a p4 2.4ghz at gaming. Get over it. Read reviews and benchmark numbers before you provide an uninformed advice. ANYONE WITH A 6800GT/X800PRO WILL HIGHLY BENEFIT if their cpu is above 2200+ speeds.

Medium speed processor with high end videocard will most surely beat a high-end cpu with the top end last generation videocard, 99% of the time, and by a lot.

This has always been true ever since hardware existed. A videocard almost always gives a better bang for the buck than a new motherboard, cpu, etc. (unelss your cpu is like 450mhz and you pair it with a 9700Pro or something)

here are some examples.

1600+ and RAdeon 9700Pro will beat A64 3800+ and Radeon 8500 (previous high end generation videocard prior to 9700Pro)
P4 2.6ghz and 6800Gt will beat FX-53 and Radeon 9800xt/5950 or even with a 6800nu

Most people have to start to realize that if you are gaming, you should upgrade the cpu roughly every 2 graphical updates (if you cant afford to upgrade them both often). Basically a videocard should be considered as the first upgrade and not the cpu.

I understand that today's high end videocards will still be somewhat bottlenecked by the slower cpus and say will give you 60frames per seconds in all resolutions when with a faster processor it'll be 80fps (800x600), 70 (1280x1024), 65 (1600x1200). However, with an older generation of videocards that number will most likley be 30 regardless of cpu speed. Also one of the great myths on these forums is that cpu speed matters a lot at high resolutions with quality enabled. (it does but I wouldnt consider it a matter of life and death) If it does, the frame rate difference might be 1-10%. When changing a videocard will give you 50-100% boost.

I'd bet that a AthlonXP 1900+ and 6800Ultra will be faster than A64 3800+ and Radeon 9800xt in doom 3.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Chill out and stoptrying to start a flame war. All CPU's today are bottlenecking the next GEN HIGH END GPU's. Ok maybe not so much on the 6800NU and the X800Pro, but on the higher end cards even a 64FX53 is somewhat bottlenecking it.

Look at any review site if you want proof including AT.

-Kevin

 

[FFactory0x]

man o man. Read the vrzone article for the 6800 and it looks so good for the price but im still wanting a 6800gt. WHAT TO DO! WHAT TO DO!

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Chill out and stoptrying to start a flame war. All CPU's today are bottlenecking the next GEN HIGH END GPU's. Ok maybe not so much on the 6800NU and the X800Pro, but on the higher end cards even a 64FX53 is somewhat bottlenecking it.

Look at any review site if you want proof including AT.

-Kevin

I realize this completely, as I have even mentioned in my post that any current cpu will bottleneck a top-end videocard today. But come on, even if your cpu is bottlenecking the new 6800GT it will surely give 50-70% boost in Doom 3 over any old generation card. Of course with a faster cpu, the game will run smoother, but once you start increasing the resolution and AA/AF, it's pretty much all GPU.

Besides lets forget Doom 3 for a second and look at a variety of other games....

Read the article "The Fastest Graphics Cards of Summer 2004" at www.xbitlabs.com (I cant post the link right now because the server is clogged for me, I'll try to add it later).

There you will see that at higher resolutions, with AA/AF 6800 just dies and sometimes is up to 2x slower than a 6800GT. Maybe in Doom 3 the 2 cards will post excellent results as shown by the Anandtech Doom 3 Deathmatch article, but not a lot of people will buy a videocard based on 1 game alone. I would tend to recommend a videocard based on many games. And considering that $100 gives you a much better gaming experience in general, I cannot recommend FFactory0x a 6800nu.