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Kedas

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Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"
 
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Joe NYC

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Microcenter is losing money at that price, I am guessing.

I am not sure how it works, whether these are discounts or rebates.

I am curious what happens with 5800x3d is released, if there is going to be realignment of official MSRPs for all Zen 3 processors...
 

Markfw

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I am not sure how it works, whether these are discounts or rebates.

I am curious what happens with 5800x3d is released, if there is going to be realignment of official MSRPs for all Zen 3 processors...
Considering the price of the 5950x has been consistently dropping the last 2 months, SOMETHING is going on, MSRP or not. All I care is what I pay for it. $620 for a 5950x ? Insane. And $480 for a 5900x ? But older gen is doing OK, I just sold a 3900x for $378 !
 
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Makaveli

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5800x is selling for $299 at MicroCenter. So $399 for 5800x3d would be some premium over that.

Since the 5800x3d look like leakier, less desirable dies, I could see that being the price.

Issue here is you can't use MicroCenter as your base price. That is not available to everyone something like using amazon.com would be a better option and there it is priced at $349 which makes it a $50 increase if that price is right.
 

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Using Microcenter price or not, the competition for the 5800X3D isn't the 12900K, it's the 12700K, which has a price much closer to $400. So while the 5800X3D is allegedly faster than the 12900K (which is only a few percent faster than the 12700K), it likely can't compete in productivity benchmarks unless the app can take advantage of the extra cache. I think a price of $449 is appropriate for the 5800X3D. Maybe $499 tops since someone will pay that much, but I personally don't think that price is enticing at all. AMD would have my attention at $400, they'd lose it at $500.
 

LightningZ71

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$480 for the 5900x still feels a little pricey for my blood. If it hits $449 though, its very likely to trigger my son and I to do a processor swap where I buy his 2700x and he uses that to offset his upgrade.
 
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Yes that is correct and it should be. And for me anything north of low 400's is best left to wait for Zen 4. Not saying I'll wait but just sayin, hah
Not really, I'm willing to bet the 4800X will perform much better than this chip.
Considering the price of the 5950x has been consistently dropping the last 2 months, SOMETHING is going on, MSRP or not. All I care is what I pay for it. $620 for a 5950x ? Insane. And $480 for a 5900x ? But older gen is doing OK, I just sold a 3900x for $378 !
Availability helps a ton.
Issue here is you can't use MicroCenter as your base price. That is not available to everyone something like using amazon.com would be a better option and there it is priced at $349 which makes it a $50 increase if that price is right.
I don't have a Microcenter anywhere close to me, however, if I needed a 5950x now, I could definitely get it for well under $700. Microcenter has been a bit uncompetitive as of late with regards to parts due to lack of inventory.

Also for those of you unfamiliar with Microcenter, they are a godsend for PC parts in the US. The issue is they are only available in some areas.
 
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Considering the price of the 5950x has been consistently dropping the last 2 months, SOMETHING is going on, MSRP or not. All I care is what I pay for it. $620 for a 5950x ? Insane. And $480 for a 5900x ? But older gen is doing OK, I just sold a 3900x for $378 !
No wonder you love AMD. It brings you great luck :D
 

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If AMD allow zen 3 support on X370 and B350 boards the 5800X3D even at $500 could be very attractive because there are no other upgrade costs for many people meaning it could work out cheaper than a similar performing alternative where you need new CPU and motherboard.
 

biostud

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It really depends on why AMD are releasing this CPU, and how many the can produce and at what cost. Is it mostly to retain gaming crown and annoy Intel, then it can have a relatively high price. Do they want to disrupt sales figures of both 12700k and 12900k, then it will have to be priced lower.
 
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I am not sure how it works, whether these are discounts or rebates.

I am curious what happens with 5800x3d is released, if there is going to be realignment of official MSRPs for all Zen 3 processors...

Maybe you could say that the 5800X MSRP has been unofficially cut to like $360-370. I suppose they could make it official then.
 

Mopetar

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I wonder if there's any reason to keep the 5800X around when it was the least popular of the whole lineup and with the 5800X3D available there's little reason to get a 5800X over a 5600X or 5900X for most people.
 

RnR_au

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Maybe you could say that the 5800X MSRP has been unofficially cut to like $360-370. I suppose they could make it official then.
One of the major online retailers here in Australia have begun selling the 5800X for $AU499 which is close to $US360.

Edit: several major retailers.. at least one with free shipping too.
 

Ranulf

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I wonder if there's any reason to keep the 5800X around when it was the least popular of the whole lineup and with the 5800X3D available there's little reason to get a 5800X over a 5600X or 5900X for most people.

All depends on prices. At anything over $450, the 5900x doesn't seem that worth it to me compared to a $300-350 5800x. Demand though as it staying at $475-550.
 

Joe NYC

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All depends on prices. At anything over $450, the 5900x doesn't seem that worth it to me compared to a $300-350 5800x. Demand though as it staying at $475-550.

Now that we know that 5800x3d beats 5900x in gaming, one has to wonder of what sort of tasks you would be running that really need > 8 cores, since the extra cores are not needed for gaming.

With the release of AMD benchmarks, we now know that the only reason 5900x and 5950x were faster is some select games is because of the extra 32 MB cache in their 2nd chiplet.

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