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Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"
 
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nicalandia said:
So Max FPS at 290 is there. 244 Average is MIGHTY Impressive, the lows might be due to BIO or something. Also look at Temperature and Wattage. 59C and 89 Watts....
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Average of three benchmark runs is 228fps, in blue text. You are looking at wrong numbers, those are real time numbers constantly updating. 290fps is simply framerate when screenshot was taken, not max. Obviously very lightweight spot.
 
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kognak said:
Average of three benchmark runs is 228fps, in blue text. You are looking at wrong numbers, those are real time numbers constantly updating. 290fps is simply framerate when screenshot was taken, not max. Obviously very lightweight spot.
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Do you have the numbers for 12900KS?
 
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Not exactly apples to apples but very close. 12900k and 5900X with DDR-3200 are around 150fps. Doesn't look good for expensive high end memory kits though, this type of tests are biggest selling point of high performance memory.

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My Motherboard already has a BIOS for the 5800X3d :D

Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming said:
Version 4204

2022/03/03 20.5 MBytes

ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING WIFI II BIOS 4204
1. Update AMD AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.6b

2. Improve system performance and stability

3. Improve system performance for AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D

Before running the USB BIOS Flashback tool, please rename the BIOS file (R570EGW2.CAP) using BIOSRenamer.
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Superb performance for 5800X3D out of box. To have 3200ish memory to perform so good in SOTR is boon for 99.x% of users that won't be tuning their memory.

Ofc Alder Lake users with tuned memory don't have anything to worry about:

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Let's be honest here. Nobody that is DIY runs memory below 3600mhz. So all the tests should be between 3600-3800mhz. AMD gets big performance improvements based on ram speed. I don't like seeing 3200mhz tests for any AMD CPU.
 
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5900X with from DDR4-3200 to 3733 there's almost a 15%-20% frame rate difference... with DDR5-6200 on ADL I think you have to push it to DDR5~7000 to have same uplift, and for the result of 12900KS with DDR5-4800 have to push it to DDR5~6000 to match 5800X3D in that test by CapFrameX's team. If 5800X3D with DDR4-3733+ then it would be to hard for ADL too match it with mem OC though....maybe 7000+??..... absolutely a MemoryIntense game.
 
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X3D will scale differently, just like Skylake->Alder Lake scaled differently too. Large L3 is already eating into that improvement percentage. The main appeal is impressive performance with zero tuning.
 
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Hans Gruber said:
Let's be honest here. Nobody that is DIY runs memory below 3600mhz. So all the tests should be between 3600-3800mhz. AMD gets big performance improvements based on ram speed. I don't like seeing 3200mhz tests for any AMD CPU.
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You've said this before and I still disagree. I think there are plenty of people that run Zen/Zen+ that run 3200, myself included. The memory controller just wasn't as good back then, so I'd be careful saying "any Zen CPU".

If you want to say anybody who has built since Zen 2, then I'd probably agree with you.
 
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Thunder 57 said:
You've said this before and I still disagree. I think there are plenty of people that run Zen/Zen+ that run 3200, myself included. The memory controller just wasn't as good back then, so I'd be careful saying "any Zen CPU".

If you want to say anybody who has built since Zen 2, then I'd probably agree with you.
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There is nothing wrong with testing 3200 RAM on AMD platforms but trying to compare that with 6400 DDR5 is apples to oranges. Even the cheapest DDR5 is more expensive than DDR4 3200.
 
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Thunder 57 said:
You've said this before and I still disagree. I think there are plenty of people that run Zen/Zen+ that run 3200, myself included. The memory controller just wasn't as good back then, so I'd be careful saying "any Zen CPU".

If you want to say anybody who has built since Zen 2, then I'd probably agree with you.
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Considering we are talking about a Zen 3 part. I think it's fair to say that most with Zen 2 or Zen 3 CPU's run their memory at 3600mhz or higher. AMD said the sweet spot for Zen 2 memory was 3733mhz but the maximum memory speed without using memory dividers 1:1 ratios was 3800mhz. At the time, 3733mhz 3800mhz was not as stable with current motherboards. It's not the infinity fabric within the memory controller that is the problem. It's the motherboard. Most motherboards B450 and newer can run 3800mhz stable without any issues.

I think there are a good number of people who paid a kings ransom for old B-die sticks that can run 14-14-14 3200mhz all day but cannot run 3600-3800mhz at all or with significantly loosened timings. The newest B-die sticks can run 14-16-16 3800mhz all day.
I am thinking those who paid for the old B-die don't want to pony up the cash for the newer B-Die and stick with 3200mhz because they can't let go of their old B-die sticks.
 
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Hans Gruber said:
Considering we are talking about a Zen 3 part. I think it's fair to say that most with Zen 2 or Zen 3 CPU's run their memory at 3600mhz or higher. AMD said the sweet spot for Zen 2 memory was 3733mhz but the maximum memory speed without using memory dividers 1:1 ratios was 3800mhz. At the time, 3733mhz 3800mhz was not as stable with current motherboards. It's not the infinity fabric within the memory controller that is the problem. It's the motherboard. Most motherboards B450 and newer can run 3800mhz stable without any issues.

I think there are a good number of people who paid a kings ransom for old B-die sticks that can run 14-14-14 3200mhz all day but cannot run 3600-3800mhz at all or with significantly loosened timings. The newest B-die sticks can run 14-16-16 3800mhz all day.
I am thinking those who paid for the old B-die don't want to pony up the cash for the newer B-Die and stick with 3200mhz because they can't let go of their old B-die sticks.
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OK, but you said "any AMD CPU". Now you clarify Zen 2/3, and I agree. I also agree a lot of people overspent on B die memory. I decided against it. The gains weren't worth the extra cost IMO.
 
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Hans Gruber said:
Let's be honest here. Nobody that is DIY runs memory below 3600mhz. So all the tests should be between 3600-3800mhz. AMD gets big performance improvements based on ram speed. I don't like seeing 3200mhz tests for any AMD CPU.
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My brother. And I even made sure to get him b-die back when I assembled his computer. And when I starting talking about overclocking the ram, he waved me away and said; "Don't you do any of that strange stuff on my machine!".

Rightio...
 
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nicalandia said:
When has Gamers been an important segment for either Intel, AMD or ARM?
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ARM? Which gamers are we talking about? Mobile gaming is huge, and very important to ARM mobile products.

As for AMD and Intel, gaming was arguably a bigger share of their market in the past, though it's difficult to quantify. Really early gamers (pre-Win95) basically ran their stuff on DOS machines that essentially doubled as office equipment. The amount of specialized gaming hardware that also didn't have applications elsewhere was limited to maybe soundcards and a few exotic, high-end 2D cards like the old Matrox cards. Intel didn't even really have server-class hardware until the Pentium Pro.

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But this is too low a resolution.
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Don't start that fight. 720p is chosen to remove video cards as a bottleneck. Realistically people aren't going to game in 720p so the value of having a CPU that can run that much faster than a 12900KS @720p is . . .questionable? Yet, if you really want to know, 720p is a good way to find out.
 
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