6 Good Reasons a Black Person Might Resist Arrest

[Oldgamer]

At least four black men were killed by police in the past month, via chokehold, tasing, and shootings, after being confronted for reasons ranging from selling untaxed cigarettes to picking up a BB gun off a shelf in Wal-Mart.

In at least two of these cases—Dante Parker and Eric Garner—the victims allegedly resisted arrest. Some political leaders, witnesses at the scene, and Internet commenters have placed blame on the victims for this reason, saying their refusal to go quietly with the cops is what ended their lives.

"For FUCKS SAKE stop struggling and resisting like this and deal with it at the precinct!! Resisting arrest, even if the police have the wrong guy, is a TERRIBLE idea!! God why don't people get this?" writes one commenter at Gawker. At a press conference on gun control in Harlem yesterday, New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio said that "once an officer has decided that arrest is necessary, every New Yorker should agree to do what they need to do as a citizen and respect the police officer and follow their guidance. And then there is a thorough due-process system thereafter."

And how about in the tasing death of Dante Parker? A San Bernadino county newspaper employee and married father of five with no criminal record, Parker was out riding his bike for exercise on Tuesday when he was approached by sheriff's deputies as a robbery suspect. A witness relayed what he saw:

He was super strong…it took about two or three guys to get his hands behind him. They went to try to get him to stand up, but he wouldn't do it…He kept kicking and kicking and kicking. He was very uncooperative."

So why would someone like Dante Parker or Eric Garner resist arrest? Here are six good reasons:

1) The idea that "if you didn't do anything wrong, you don't have anything to fear" does not hold true for black people. Most people who end up being exonerated for crimes they served time for, but didn't commit, are people of color.

2) Blacks routinely serve higher sentences than whites—for the same crimes.

3) Once in custody, black men are rough-handled by police more often than whites.

4) Racial profiling and bias in police departments across the country is well-documented.

5) There are many well-known cases of police torture directed at blacks in prison, such as the dozens of black Chicago inmates who were systematically tortured over a span of 20 years.

6) Scientific studies shed light on how racial bias can influence witness testimony, like this finding that race can make people "see" guns, or a reach for a gun, where no weapon was present.

Asking why a black man with even the slightest bit of awareness of these facts wouldn't fully cooperate with the cops is a bit like asking why William Wallace didn't simply extend a warm welcome to the invading English forces. Here's a better question: What are law enforcement agencies doing to heal their relationships with the black communities they're supposed to protect and serve?

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I agree with a lot of what was stated in this article, and think people should consider what is being said here.

 

[SandEagle]

a white cop killing a black man has a higher chance of starting a race riot. look at what happened in Ferguson. hell, a lot of the protesters and looters came from out of town to partake in the lunacy. probably agent provateurs hired to cause the city to spiral towards anarchy, leading to martial law.

 

[LegendKiller]

1 good reason why black people need to get their shit together.

http://heyjackass.com/

Cry about 4 people getting shot by the cops, ignore hundreds getting killed by other black people.

 

[ivwshane]

Too me what's disturbing is the blatant difference what people are treated versus black people when confronting a calm individual or a heated one. Too many times I have seen a cop remain calm when a white individual is getting heated and confrontational and when it's a black person, no patience is given. Of course that's my perception and it in no way means that what I see is the norm.

To me it just looks like white people are scared of black people and act accordingly. The question is why? African Americans make up a small percentage of our population and truely violent crime seems to be perpetrated by whites more than any other minority. If I think back to all the heinous crimes that have happened in my life time, all but two were done by white people.

 

[LegendKiller]

Too me what's disturbing is the blatant difference what people are treated versus black people when confronting a calm individual or a heated one. Too many times I have seen a cop remain calm when a white individual is getting heated and confrontational and when it's a black person, no patience is given. Of course that's my perception and it in no way means that what I see is the norm.

To me it just looks like white people are scared of black people and act accordingly. The question is why? African Americans make up a small percentage of our population and truely violent crime seems to be perpetrated by whites more than any other minority. If I think back to all the heinous crimes that have happened in my life time, all but two were done by white people.

Yeah, Hadiya Pendleton wasn't killed in truly violent crime. It was just mildly violent.

How many people are killed per year by gangs?

 

[Oldgamer]

a white cop killing a black man has a higher chance of starting a race riot. look at what happened in Ferguson. hell, a lot of the protesters and looters came from out of town to partake in the lunacy. probably agent provateurs hired to cause the city to spiral towards anarchy, leading to martial law.

Yes, because through out this entire country black people are the most targeted, brutalized by police, incarcerated for minor crimes sometimes for even not committing a crime (like the guy charged with destruction of police property for bleeding on officers uniform after the beat him almost to death) and they are constantly harassed and killed at a much higher rate than whites.

It seems you are ignoring why, and I don't blame them for getting upset and protesting. You can't keep doing this to a select group of people without it eventually blowing up in your face.

 

[Oldgamer]

Yeah, Hadiya Pendleton wasn't killed in truly violent crime. It was just mildly violent.

How many people are killed per year by gangs?

The crime rate in this country is at it's lowest ever but we have black people being incarcerated at an alarming rate, and being profiled at an alarming rate, and they are killed by police at an alarming rate.

 

[Oldgamer]

Too me what's disturbing is the blatant difference what people are treated versus black people when confronting a calm individual or a heated one. Too many times I have seen a cop remain calm when a white individual is getting heated and confrontational and when it's a black person, no patience is given. Of course that's my perception and it in no way means that what I see is the norm.

To me it just looks like white people are scared of black people and act accordingly. The question is why? African Americans make up a small percentage of our population and truely violent crime seems to be perpetrated by whites more than any other minority. If I think back to all the heinous crimes that have happened in my life time, all but two were done by white people.

It is real simple, it is called racism and racist undertones.

 

[SandEagle]

Yes, because through out this entire country black people are the most targeted, brutalized by police, incarcerated for minor crimes sometimes for even not committing a crime (like the guy charged with destruction of police property for bleeding on officers uniform after the beat him almost to death) and they are constantly harassed and killed at a much higher rate than whites.

It seems you are ignoring why, and I don't blame them for getting upset and protesting. You can't keep doing this to a select group of people without it eventually blowing up in your face.

because they're black?

 

[LegendKiller]

The crime rate in this country is at it's lowest ever but we have black people being incarcerated at an alarming rate, and being profiled at an alarming rate, and they are killed by police at an alarming rate.

What are they being incarcerated for? Violent crimes? Drugs?

Being killed by police at an alarming rate? Is it a rate that is slower, or faster, than they are killing each other off?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Protip 1: Resisting arrest only make matters worst as even if you haven't committed a crime prior to being placed under arrest, resisting is a crime punishable by law.

Protip 2: If you are being arrested do not do anything that can endanger or instill fear in the arresting officer/s as they can escalate their force to secure you up to and including deadly force.

The choice is up to you.

 

[cubby1223]

You can make all these arguments you want, and they are valid discussions.

But when you have an example where the black person had just committed strong-arm robbery, you should not use that as the prime example to support your cause.

Create a shit-storm about any of the thousands of clear-cut examples out there. But when you go and apply a singular line of thought to all situations, regardless of the particular circumstances, you end up making a fool of yourself.

 

[cubby1223]

Because the events of the past week show us that a 7th item needs to be added to the list: because he may have just committed a crime.

 

[Oldgamer]

because they're black?

Yes, here is another article you should read on this subject: Police are more likely to use force against protesters when black people are protesting


These findings come from a 2011 paper coauthored by professors at Notre Dame, Stanford, and the University of Wisconsin

 

[Oldgamer]

Take a look at the disparities of how black people are treated in this country by police compared to white people, it is enormous.

Here is another article of just such disparity: There Is A Man In Texas Who Has Been Imprisoned 34 Years Without A Conviction

 

[LegendKiller]

Yes, here is another article you should read on this subject: Police are more likely to use force against protesters when black people are protesting


These findings come from a 2011 paper coauthored by professors at Notre Dame, Stanford, and the University of Wisconsin

Again, you interpret correlation with causation (racism). The study doesn't say what confounding variables they controlled for, nor rationale and drivers for the reasons.

 

[HTFOff]

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[Retro Rob]

As a black man, I'd never resist arrest under any circumstances. If I am being wrongly arrested, I'd work to clear that up at the station and/or with the judge.

That being said, resisting arrest will never improve a situation.

 

[Newell Steamer]

6) Scientific studies shed light on how racial bias can influence witness testimony, like this finding that race can make people "see" guns, or a reach for a gun, where no weapon was present.

In the MO case, there was a gun - it was even used to take out the person who reached for it.

 

[Jaskalas]

6 Good Reasons a Black Person Might Resist Arrest

7) He just robbed a store and thinks he's about to go to the slammer.

 

[rommelrommel]

Those are all reasons to be concerned or scared about being arrested.

Maybe they are reasons to run or not turn yourself in.

They are not reasons to resist because frankly it just does not work. You are increasing the odds of bad things happening to you, probably exponentially.

 

[nehalem256]

At least four black men were killed by police in the past month, via chokehold, tasing, and shootings, after being confronted for reasons ranging from selling untaxed cigarettes to picking up a BB gun off a shelf in Wal-Mart.

I would think that those would be 4 excellent examples for why black people SHOULDNT resist police.

Also, didn't we have a thread about the BB gun case. From what I recall it seems like you are leaving out some pretty important details. Like the fact he was going around the store pointing it at people.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Perhaps it could start by not making everything about race. Including the Ohio Walmart shooting at the beginning is where I stopped reading. Screaming race every single time while ignoring everything else is what causes real issues that just might be motivated by racial bias to be passed over by most.

 

[Oldgamer]

As a black man, I'd never resist arrest under any circumstances. If I am being wrongly arrested, I'd work to clear that up at the station and/or with the judge.

That being said, resisting arrest will never improve a situation.

Would you be that way if as a black man your being hit with a nightstick with no provocation on your part, or having your arm twisted to the point of almost breaking, or having your head slammed without provocation? I doubt you would be as cooperative if these things were happening.

 

[Oldgamer]

Perhaps it could start by not making everything about race. Including the Ohio Walmart shooting at the beginning is where I stopped reading. Screaming race every single time while ignoring everything else is what causes real issues that just might be motivated by racial bias to be passed over by most.

Why don't you tell that to the many police departments who have been proven to make this about race, and continue to do racial profiling and treating black people like they are "animals" as one cop was caught saying on camera about the peaceful protesters in Ferguson.

It works both ways...