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6 Court-Martialed for Scrounging Equipment
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SarcasticDwarf
Diamond Member
hmm, memo to self: When called up, do not "borrow" other vehicles.
Wait a sec, I wonder if any of them were 88Ns. Uh oh.
Wait a sec, I wonder if any of them were 88Ns. Uh oh.
DaveSimmons
Elite Member
They covered up what they did, including erasing the ID marks on the vehicles.
If they'd just done the scrounging without the cover-up they might not have been charged.
If they'd just done the scrounging without the cover-up they might not have been charged.
SarcasticDwarf
Diamond Member
*cough* bs
CaptainGoodnight
Golden Member
The military is (justifiably) very concerned with anyone caught tampering with military equipment and ESPECIALLY tampering with military records.
The problem (and reason they were court marshal), was not so much that they comandeered equipment, but that they then rendered that equipment unusable for their fellow soldiers who might also need it later. Add to that the fact that they grossly violated military rules by tampering with ID tags, and conspiring to cover their tracks by ensuring that the vehicles WERE NOT LOCATED.
So yes, these reservists DID use the vehicles. Then tried to make sure no one else could.
CaptainGoodnight
Golden Member
If they had followed military regs, there wouldn't have been any problems.
SarcasticDwarf
Diamond Member
If they had followed military regs, they wouldn't have had the proper equipment either.
CaptainGoodnight
Golden Member
How so? If all they did was scrap abandoned vehicles for part, they would have been given a medal for their resourcefulness.
CaptainGoodnight
Golden Member
Of COURSE the military salvages parts and canabalizes from damaged vehicles, but what kind of supply system could you possibly have if every soldier started lifting parts they felt they needed from anything they saw as 'abandoned'?
They are being court-marshalled exactly as if they had fallen asleep at their post, or mouthed off to a superior officer. The military doesn't play around with rules.
Had they followed the regulations, instead of trying to 'erase' the vehicles from military records, they might have gotten a commendation for resourcefulness and getting the job done. Or maybe they would have pulled KP duty as punishment. At the very least, I doubt we would be reading about their court-marshall.
They are being court-marshalled exactly as if they had fallen asleep at their post, or mouthed off to a superior officer. The military doesn't play around with rules.
Had they followed the regulations, instead of trying to 'erase' the vehicles from military records, they might have gotten a commendation for resourcefulness and getting the job done. Or maybe they would have pulled KP duty as punishment. At the very least, I doubt we would be reading about their court-marshall.
SarcasticDwarf
Diamond Member
So your saying there is a 100% chance they would have been allowed to part those exact vehicles?
how can you steal an abandoned vehicle?
http://dictionary.reference.co...arch?r=2&q=abandon
a·ban·don ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-bndn)
tr.v. a·ban·doned, a·ban·don·ing, a·ban·dons
To withdraw one's support or help from, especially in spite of duty, allegiance, or responsibility; desert: abandon a friend in trouble.
To give up by leaving or ceasing to operate or inhabit, especially as a result of danger or other impending threat: abandoned the ship.
To surrender one's claim to, right to, or interest in; give up entirely. See Synonyms at relinquish.
To cease trying to continue; desist from: abandoned the search for the missing hiker.
To yield (oneself) completely, as to emotion.
http://dictionary.reference.co...arch?r=2&q=abandon
a·ban·don ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-bndn)
tr.v. a·ban·doned, a·ban·don·ing, a·ban·dons
To withdraw one's support or help from, especially in spite of duty, allegiance, or responsibility; desert: abandon a friend in trouble.
To give up by leaving or ceasing to operate or inhabit, especially as a result of danger or other impending threat: abandoned the ship.
To surrender one's claim to, right to, or interest in; give up entirely. See Synonyms at relinquish.
To cease trying to continue; desist from: abandoned the search for the missing hiker.
To yield (oneself) completely, as to emotion.
Babbles
Diamond Member
Whoa, seems pretty big in that a cheif warrant officer and other officers were convicted.
It seems like with all of the problems going on in Iraq that this should be the least of their concerns. Some soliders find abandoned equipment and make use of then get court martialed???
I suppose a court martial is better than getting killed in action.
It seems like with all of the problems going on in Iraq that this should be the least of their concerns. Some soliders find abandoned equipment and make use of then get court martialed???
I suppose a court martial is better than getting killed in action.
CaptainGoodnight
Golden Member
Have you people been listening to what I've said?
You can't just take stuff in the real Army (particularly something as expensive as a vehicle) without there being someone accountable for it--someone who will get in serious trouble if they can't account for it. The abandoned vehicles in question were signed for by someone at some point, and likely would have been recovered and returned to their proper unit eventually. The Army can't do that if someone stole them for his unit. Conversely, if I'm in command of a unit and I'm signed for 5 vehicles and my unit for reasons I can't document now has 7 of them, I can get into trouble. The Army logistics people loathe hoarding, and for very practical reasons.
Now, had I been in their shoes, I would have probably taken the vehicles, completed the mission, and then let chain of command know who the vehicles belonged to and where I got them. At that point the chain of command can decide if I have to return the vehicles to their proper unit. If returning them puts me in a tight spot, well that's my tough luck--something I should have considered a possibility before I appropriated the vehicles.
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