6-core dunnington prices

[demiurge3141]

according to vr-zone:

Model Number of core Frequency FSB Cache Price

X7470 6 2,66 1066 16 2729
E7459 6 2,40 1066 12 2301
E7440 4 2,40 1066 12 1980
E7430 4 2,13 1066 12 1391
E7420 4 2,13 1066 8 1177
L7455 6 2,13 1066 12 2729
L7445 4 2,13 1066 12 1980

These should fold like beasts, if only there is a 775 version......

 

[myocardia]

Ouch! I could care less how they fold, at those prices. You could build two nice, overclocked Q6600-based systems for less than one of those processors alone. Am I the only one who thinks that two Q6600's would outperform one of these at folding?

 

[Drsignguy]

Originally posted by: myocardia
Ouch! I could care less how they fold, at those prices. You could build two nice, overclocked Q6600-based systems for less than one of those processors alone. Am I the only one who thinks that two Q6600's would outperform one of these at folding?

Spot on Myo! Those prices are Insane! The Q6600 still would out perform just because of the price.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: demiurge3141
according to vr-zone:

Model Number of core Frequency FSB Cache Price

X7470 6 2,66 1066 16 2729
E7459 6 2,40 1066 12 2301
E7440 4 2,40 1066 12 1980
E7430 4 2,13 1066 12 1391
E7420 4 2,13 1066 8 1177
L7455 6 2,13 1066 12 2729
L7445 4 2,13 1066 12 1980

These should fold like beasts, if only there is a 775 version......

A couple observations - this is exactly what niche means...super high prices that only generate a price/performance that is compelling for a select few end-users.

So who wants an E7420 for $1,177 that doesn't want a Q6600 for $203? There are those handful of server applications where having that performance scaling from 1-4 cores across a 2-4 socket system to be less-hindered by the FSB bandwidth restrictions.

Practically nothing we desktop folks are using will have troubles scaling from 1-4 cores if it is already a 4 or more threaded app. (performance nearly linearly scales with CPU cores).

Second observation - note the GHz bins and prices...and then think about Phenom/Barcelona. Once you go monolithic at 65nm it suddenly doesn't look so absurd to have relatively lower clockspeeds and significantly higher prices.

 

[VulcanX]

Those are all a waste of money, same as the QX, what a waste of cash, rather buy two Quads and outrun it by a mile than have a Extreme Edition

 

[Syzygies]

Originally posted by: Drsignguy
Those prices are Insane! The Q6600 still would out perform just because of the price.

Let's not forget that the Q6600 was introduced less than two years ago at $851 in 1,000 lots.

I'm in for six cores as soon as I can afford them. All in one socket, one gets the advantages of gamer motherboards, which accept performance memory and can run circles around server boards.

The value/price comparison should be against a Skulltrail 8 core setup, which is crippled by FB-DIMMs. Six cores in a gamer board with gamer memory will cost much less, 3/4's the cpu performance, better memory performance.

Shared memory multiprocessing stops scaling linearly with cores after a point, because of memory bottlenecks. 8 GB on a 4 core rig is already tricky to overclock, ask anyone who's tried. When 12 core processors are priced like a Q6600, we'll see how linear core scaling really is in practice.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: VulcanX
Those are all a waste of money, same as the QX, what a waste of cash, rather buy two Quads and outrun it by a mile than have a Extreme Edition

did you read anything that idc wrote? Dunnington is not aimed at me, and it DEFINITELY isn't aimed at you. say it with me: "niche market".

 

[taltamir]

if you are trying to build folding boxes then you could do better then TWO of systems for the price of ONE of these processors.

Case with built in PSU: 40$
RAM: 10$
Q6600: 203$
cheap mobo with IGP: 60$
total: ~313$

Could probably be done cheaper.
Those processors are your worst choice for folding.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

What does folding at home do?

 

[Syzygies]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
What does folding at home do?

Results 1 - 100 of about 119,000 English pages for "folding at home".

 

[aigomorla]

didnt i tell you guys the hex cores would cost this much?

:T


Sun leaking the processor gave it away as an uber expensive chip.

 

[Tempered81]

I bet people will buy them for forum bragging rights. I have more cores than you

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
What does folding at home do?

Calculates the way the proteins fold in order to advance medical research, millions of users run it on their computers making it outperform any single super computer, allowing scientists to perform medical research years ahead of its time. It is done as a donation basis, with many people building entire "farms" of computers dedicated to doing those calculations in order to find cures for diseases faster.

 

[Cookie Monster]

With nVIDIA F@H GPU client ready to reveal its ugly head (bout damn time too) and AMDs GPU client running for over a year now, these are pointless. A C2Q roughly has a theoretical peak output of ~50GFLOPs. Then you have say HD3870 putting out 500GFLOPs (although only ~100GFLOPs is sustained according to the GPU folders, where it has something to do with the CPU overhead even when their clocked up >3GHz).

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
What does folding at home do?

Calculates the way the proteins fold in order to advance medical research, millions of users run it on their computers making it outperform any single super computer, allowing scientists to perform medical research years ahead of its time. It is done as a donation basis, with many people building entire "farms" of computers dedicated to doing those calculations in order to find cures for diseases faster.

What is your personal experience with F@H on your computer?

 

[coldpower27]

What did you expect exactly these are Socket 604 or whatever Intel's current 4 socket systems currently use.

They come at a huge price preimum. They are aimed at businesses obviously. Compare these processors to Intel's current Tigerton line and you see they are not nearly as extreme as you might think.

 

[demiurge3141]

Geez man, these are Xeon parts, they will fold like no tomorrow but you are not going to build cheap server folding boxes. Like Syzygies pointed out, Q6600 wsa launched at $851 when the E6600 was $316. That's why I said if ever they come in LGA 775 then hopefully price would have dropped a bit and it will be interested. I have no idea if that will ever happen.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
With nVIDIA F@H GPU client ready to reveal its ugly head (bout damn time too) and AMDs GPU client running for over a year now, these are pointless. A C2Q roughly has a theoretical peak output of ~50GFLOPs. Then you have say HD3870 putting out 500GFLOPs (although only ~100GFLOPs is sustained according to the GPU folders, where it has something to do with the CPU overhead even when their clocked up >3GHz).

as a comparison, I run about 2000 ppd on my x3350 system using the 3870 and one core dedicated to folding. that peak output number of 100gflops makes sense b/c one of the high-producing folders (gleem maybe?) gets about 2200ppd for each of his 3870's with one core devoted to it, and another 2200 ppd or so running an smp client on the other two cores, ie, 2 c2d cores @ 3ghz ~ 1x3870. the slides that I've seen so far peg the gtx 280 at around 3x a 3870 in folding power, that will be an awesome sight to behold. keep in mind, however, that the ps3 and gpu's work on different problems than cpus. I don't know the technical reasons for this, but my understanding is that the cpus are better for some problems and the ps3/gpus are better for others.

 

[nyker96]

2729 dollars!? Intel is nuts but hey can't argue when they are the only game in town. Where are ya AMD when we need ya!?

 

[demiurge3141]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
With nVIDIA F@H GPU client ready to reveal its ugly head (bout damn time too) and AMDs GPU client running for over a year now, these are pointless. A C2Q roughly has a theoretical peak output of ~50GFLOPs. Then you have say HD3870 putting out 500GFLOPs (although only ~100GFLOPs is sustained according to the GPU folders, where it has something to do with the CPU overhead even when their clocked up >3GHz).

read what the stanford team said about GPU folding. they are very limited in what they can do, GFLOPS mean nothing when they can't solve the problem.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: demiurge3141
Geez man, these are Xeon parts, they will fold like no tomorrow but you are not going to build cheap server folding boxes. Like Syzygies pointed out, Q6600 wsa launched at $851 when the E6600 was $316. That's why I said if ever they come in LGA 775 then hopefully price would have dropped a bit and it will be interested. I have no idea if that will ever happen.

No, it's not likely, these are true Xeon parts ala past history, like Tulsa, they come with a large shared LV3 cache, these are native Six-Core processors.

The Q6600 equivalent on the Server side of this magnitude is the Xeon E7340 and that processor costs $1980. A 50% Premium for Six Core is actually a linear price increase.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Second observation - note the GHz bins and prices...and then think about Phenom/Barcelona. Once you go monolithic at 65nm it suddenly doesn't look so absurd to have relatively lower clockspeeds and significantly higher prices.

Are we still so sure that these are monolithic dies? With the cache size increase with the 6-core variety, that just screams MCM to me.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Second observation - note the GHz bins and prices...and then think about Phenom/Barcelona. Once you go monolithic at 65nm it suddenly doesn't look so absurd to have relatively lower clockspeeds and significantly higher prices.

Are we still so sure that these are monolithic dies? With the cache size increase with the 6-core variety, that just screams MCM to me.

There's no question, it is monolithic.

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