Deadtrees

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It's been a few days since 5D mk2 came out and users are reporting banding nosie problem;
using sRAW with highlight tone priority mode on, you'll encounter such a problem. Not all the time but very likely. If you must use sRAW and highlight tone priority together, you shouldn't buy 5D mk2 until this problem is sorted out by Canon.

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Based on my previous experiences, it's highly likely that some people will call me a Nikon fanboi just because I mentioned a problem on Canon camera. Such was the case when I talked about Nikon's banding noise and gray cast problems. Again I tell you that I'm just reporting a problem that might affect you.If you think I'm a fanboi of any brands, it's because you can't take criticism on the brands you love. In other words, you're the fanboi. Keep your fanboism to yourself.

Update:
Further testing on this issues has proven that Hightligh Tone Priority with RAW, too, causes banding problem as well (Although it's less significant than sRAW+HTP on.)

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2...dnum&desc=asc&no=28631

This is quite bad because people like me couldn't care less about sRAW problem but do need HTP to work right. It can be a simple problem that can be fixed by firmware update or it can be a problem that requires you to send the camera to the service center. For now, I think it's safe to wait until Canon addresses this problem.
 
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Interesting report. I'm a Nikon user but I like reading about all things, and someday I hope to own a camera like the 5D MKII. Got any links?
 

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Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
Interesting report. I'm a Nikon user but I like reading about all things, and someday I hope to own a camera like the 5D MKII. Got any links?

Originally posted by: ivan2
if i chose to use full manual mode, does highlight tone priority affect the result?

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2...dnum&desc=asc&no=28503

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2...dnum&desc=asc&no=28497


http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2...dnum&desc=asc&no=28505

Yes, as long as highlight tone priority mode and sRAW is on, it's highly likely that the banding problem will occur.
 

foghorn67

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Originally posted by: soydios
Yet another reason not to use sRAW...

why? sRAW is awesome.
BTW-I'm sure it will be fixed with firmware. The first 5D had it's share of teething problems.
 

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Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: soydios
Yet another reason not to use sRAW...

why? sRAW is awesome.
BTW-I'm sure it will be fixed with firmware. The first 5D had it's share of teething problems.

Why is sRAW awesome? Memory is cheap these days and you're paying for the full resolution chip, right? So shoot that sucker at normal raw sizes! :)
 

Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: tdawg
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: soydios
Yet another reason not to use sRAW...

why? sRAW is awesome.
BTW-I'm sure it will be fixed with firmware. The first 5D had it's share of teething problems.

Why is sRAW awesome? Memory is cheap these days and you're paying for the full resolution chip, right? So shoot that sucker at normal raw sizes! :)

Agreed.
 

foghorn67

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: tdawg
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: soydios
Yet another reason not to use sRAW...

why? sRAW is awesome.
BTW-I'm sure it will be fixed with firmware. The first 5D had it's share of teething problems.

Why is sRAW awesome? Memory is cheap these days and you're paying for the full resolution chip, right? So shoot that sucker at normal raw sizes! :)

Agreed.

Try downloading a crapload of images after a 12 hour wedding. You don't need full RAW for most of the reception shots. Not space, time.
Maybe try reading up on it on why people like it.
 

Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: tdawg
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: soydios
Yet another reason not to use sRAW...

why? sRAW is awesome.
BTW-I'm sure it will be fixed with firmware. The first 5D had it's share of teething problems.

Why is sRAW awesome? Memory is cheap these days and you're paying for the full resolution chip, right? So shoot that sucker at normal raw sizes! :)

Agreed.

Try downloading a crapload of images after a 12 hour wedding. You don't need full RAW for most of the reception shots. Not space, time.
Maybe try reading up on it on why people like it.

I often, if not always, end up transferring at least 24GB(16+4+4) of data after wedding shoot. Not a problem for me. Just get a fast memory card and a reader. HDD is damn cheap, memory cards are damn cheap, and computers are damn cheap nowadays. Why limit the power of sensor so that you can save some minor time and space on peripherals?
Full size RAW may not be needed but it gives you enough headroom for you and it's nothing but great. Not only that, when customers ask for big prints; having a full size RAW would fullfil the need of such customers. What do you do in a such case? Sorrry but I can't print that large because I use sRAW as I don't like downloading crapload of large files?
 

foghorn67

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
I often, if not always, end up transferring at least 24GB(16+4+4) of data after wedding shoot. Not a problem for me. Just get a fast memory card and a reader. HDD is damn cheap, memory cards are damn cheap, and computers are damn cheap nowadays. Why limit the power of sensor so that you can save some minor time and space on peripherals?
Full size RAW may not be needed but it gives you enough headroom for you and it's nothing but great. Not only that, when customers ask for big prints; having a full size RAW would fullfil the need of such customers. What do you do in a such case? Sorrry but I can't print that large because I use sRAW as I don't like downloading crapload of large files?

Nice sarcasm there. I have fast cards too. And I haven't got a reques for a poster sized reception action shot yet. sRAW is enough for a full page, even on a larger album.
You act like I haven't done this before.
Again, read up on it, stop assuming.
 

Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: foghorn67
Nice sarcasm there. I have fast cards too. And I haven't got a reques for a poster sized reception action shot yet. sRAW is enough for a full page, even on a larger album.
You act like I haven't done this before.
Again, read up on it, stop assuming.

It's more about prediction than assumtion. Really,,,,what would you do in such cases? I've had people requesting large prints without other people or various things in the frame. Doing so involves mild to heavy cropping. sRAW won't cut it. If you prefer to use sRAW and face its limitation for yourself, it's your loss. If you're doing a professional work for your customer, the loss is not only yours but your customers. Why would a professional limit oneself so that he could save some insignificant minutes? I just don't get it. I know sRAW has its merit but it just isn't so in your case, IMHO. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you "haven't done it before." What I'm saying is that you've been doing it wrong way and plan to do it wrong way.
Having said all that, I gotta ask you this: How long does it take for you to download all those images? The time it takes, why is that such a big deal that you'd risk your professionalism? Do you think your impatience is more important than the possible demand from a customer who paid you?

EDIT: BTW, you might have a fast cards that you "assumed" but if your reader is slow, it'll be slow. Get a fast card and a reader. Last time I checked(several months ago that is) USB readers that use RTS5151 chipset is the fastest. For memory cards, get SLC cards.
 

foghorn67

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
It's more about prediction than assumtion. Really,,,,what would you do in such cases? I've had people requesting large prints without other people or various things in the frame. Doing so involves mild to heavy cropping. sRAW won't cut it. If you prefer to use sRAW and face its limitation for yourself, it's your loss. If you're doing a professional work for your customer, the loss is not only yours but your customers. Why would a professional limit oneself so that he could save some insignificant minutes? I just don't get it. I know sRAW has its merit but it just isn't so in your case, IMHO. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you "haven't done it before." What I'm saying is that you've been doing it wrong way and plan to do it wrong way.
Having said all that, I gotta ask you this: How long does it take for you to download all those images? The time it takes, why is that such a big deal that you'd risk your professionalism? Do you think your impatience is more important than the possible demand from a customer who paid you?

EDIT: BTW, you might have a fast cards that you "assumed" but if your reader is slow, it'll be slow. Get a fast card and a reader. Last time I checked(several months ago that is) USB readers that use RTS5151 chipset is the fastest. For memory cards, get SLC cards.

I think you need to get off your high horse. Think about it. No bride wants a 20x30 of their Aunt Gertrude dancing around after three long islands while Uncle Bob was caught staring at her sister's cleavage.
All the traditional stuff is in RAW. It's sRAW after I stick around while everyone gets loaded and they want the funny moments. But I'm just sayin, I have no problems with large print, and when it comes to weddings, I never crop to zoom. Isolate a bit, maybe. But it's my job to get it right the first time.
Really it's annoying, your condescending tone is getting old fast.
My clients are always happy about my work and I work hard at it.
 

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A better solution than sRAW would be to encode the absolute white balance in JPEG EXIF data. For point-and-shoot stuff I still shoot RAW because that's the only way I can batch set white balance.
 

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Wow is this really worth arguing over? If you like it use it. If you don't want to use it don't. It is available. If there is a problem with the 5DMKii Canon needs to fix it fast.

/end thread.
 

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CHILDREN! take your argument to PMs. and for the love of my screen size, please stop endlessly quoting each other.
 

sdifox

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damn, and I was thinking about picking it up... maybe I'll wait a couple of months :)
 

corkyg

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Thank you SoyDios! My sentiments exactly. I recall when I bought my 5D, there were soon some firmware updates from Canon. I am confident that they will take care of anything wrong with the 5D MKII.

As of today, there are no firmware downloads available. Patience is the watchword, i.e., wait a while. A firmware update would appear here:

Canon
 

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Originally posted by: sdifox
damn, and I was thinking about picking it up... maybe I'll wait a couple of months :)

I'm thinking I'll wait until more like a year from now. Be sure they get the bugs out and watch for a deal.
 

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just been speaking with someone (well known UK reviewer) who is using 1 atm doing a review - he says the biggest problem is the 24-105mm lens that they are shipping as the kit lens, it's just not upto the job.
He also finds image quality "flatter" than with e.g. the A900 but of course better high ISO.