My plan was to get the 5900 Ultra around the time it came out to compliment my new PC rig and replace my Geforce2 GTS. But now all of a sudden I'm hearing about ATi releasing a new line of cards based on a R360 chip. Anybody know what the latest news/rumors on this is? Is there a release date yet? Any guesses on how it will perform in comparison to the 5900U? I wouldn't want to wait two or three months just for a card that's 2% faster (considering the 9800 Pro is supposedly slower).
5900 Ultra now or wait for R360?
- Thread starter dwb122
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5900 ultra is insanely priced, i would get a 9700 pro. btw, from what i hear R360 is just a supped up version of R300. R400 is gonna have the new architechture
5150Joker
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Neither, get a R9700 pro. It has the best price/performance value of any card on the market now or in the next few months. It can hang pretty close to a 9800 pro/5900 ultra in performance and is a few hundred dollars cheaper than a 5900 Ultra.
A few hundred dollars less? Where can I find a 9700 Pro for $200?
Keep in mind that I want to get a card that will last me a while, and one that I won't be itching to replace less than a year after I get it. A videocard is a relatively long-term investment. It is my understanding that the 9700 Pro will drag a bit on some of the upcoming graphical biggies...no? One of the main reasons I'm getting a card is because I want to be able to play games like DoomIII, HL2, STALKER and Far Cry at good framerates and high detail.
You'll be waiting a bit for a 5900u.
If you want to play STALKER, Doom 3 etc, then I would stick with what you have at the moment, and wait for some of those games to be released before buying a card, then you can see which will be best for the game, rather than buying now based on games you don't know all that much about.
It could be they benefit most from lots of RAM or something, and buying a great videocard now then wouldn't be all that helpful for them.
Also, if you wait for the games to actually be released/reviewed whatever, the current cards that might be able to run them nicely will be cheaper as well.
You should never buy a card based on how you think it might perform in games that havent been released yet.
If you want to play STALKER, Doom 3 etc, then I would stick with what you have at the moment, and wait for some of those games to be released before buying a card, then you can see which will be best for the game, rather than buying now based on games you don't know all that much about.
It could be they benefit most from lots of RAM or something, and buying a great videocard now then wouldn't be all that helpful for them.
Also, if you wait for the games to actually be released/reviewed whatever, the current cards that might be able to run them nicely will be cheaper as well.
You should never buy a card based on how you think it might perform in games that havent been released yet.
9700 pro WILL last you a long time and they are $275 @ gameVE while the the 5900 is 550 @ newegg. thats a 275 dollar difference
Buy smart ppl!!! and believe me the top tier cards aren't that of a smart choice!!! It's like racing dragcars on a twisty run!!!
9700pro <<<< good choice if you're not in for fiddling around with cards
9700pro <<<< good choice if you're not in for fiddling around with cards
Soulkeeper
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i wouldn't wait for anything that i've never heard of
you can end up waiting for a long time
just get the best priced solution that does all you need now
you can end up waiting for a long time
just get the best priced solution that does all you need now
I'm getting the 5900 with my next upgrade along with a Pentium 4 3.2 and 1 Gig of ram.
I wouldn't wait, if you can afford it go for it.
I wouldn't wait, if you can afford it go for it.
The regular price for a 5900U should be $499 once all the cards are out and most stores have them. Newegg are just overpricing them. And if I were to get anything lesser than a top-tier card, I wouldn't want to pay much more than $200 for it. My pseudo-plan is to either pay top dollar for a top-tier card (at some point), or pay around $200 for something like a 9700 right now and wait a while for the NV40/R420 to come out. I'm leaning away from the latter.
And yeah, I know a 9700 Pro would last me a while, but I do want to play these graphical killers at good resolutions, high quality and good framerates, and I am willing to pay for it. It's just impossible to decide what the frick to get or wait for.
Originally posted by: dwb122
The regular price for a 5900U should be $499 once all the cards are out and most stores have them. Newegg are just overpricing them.
Agreed, the reason they raise the prices initially is to take advantage of the poor fools who simply cant wait a month or too and want the not-all-that-impressive-bragging-rights that such a card brings. Might as well brag that youve been ripped off!
Just wait until one of those games come out and buy the best card then. Thats what I plan on doing.
5150Joker
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Just FYI, 5900 Ultra AA won't be very good and will leave you disappointed. Here's a thread I made on nVnews where someone who "upgraded" (more like downgraded) from a 9800 pro to 5900 Ultra had to say:http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13341
By AnteP:
went from a 9800 Pro to a 5900 Ultra.
And yeah AA is clearly inferiour.
And all modes over 4xS have pretty horrible performance.
4xS works a a couple of games but it limited to 1024x768.
I was a happier camper running at 4 or 6x AA with my R350 at 1280x1024.
Looked better and ran faster (than NV35 with 4xS)
IMHO the single biggest flaw with NV3X is the piss poor FSAA
Just a word of caution to you before you throw your money away on a card expecting spectacular FSAA. If you're going to spend the money, then you should at least get good AA/AF quality out of the card. Thus I still recommend you go with a 9700 pro and if you want a 9800 for it's F-Buffer, then I heard best buy B&M has the 9800np for $290.
Is the 9800 better than the 9700 Pro in all respects? I saw the 9800 at Best Buy today for $299, and the Pro for $399. I think I am beginning to lean towards a cheaper card.
For that matter, is the 9800 Pro worth the extra hundred bucks over the 9800 non-Pro? I'm starting to think I should focus my decision between the 9700 Pro, 9800 and 9800 Pro.
For that matter, is the 9800 Pro worth the extra hundred bucks over the 9800 non-Pro? I'm starting to think I should focus my decision between the 9700 Pro, 9800 and 9800 Pro.
5150Joker
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The 9800 non-pro is slightly faster than a 9700 pro or about the same speed but it has the advantage of having a newer core with some new features like the f-buffer. So I'd recommend if you don't want to spend a whole lot, go with the 9800 non-pro. Lots of people have managed to clock it to 9800 pro speeds or faster anyhow.
Ya know what, that's probably what I'm going to do. Sounds like a plan. Thanks guys!
By the way, is there any particular 9800 that is better for OCing than the others?
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how did he upgrade to a 5900 Ultra? they arent OUT yet! hardly a worthy review/experience, and the tech sites are syaing differently about the 4x modes being "poor" Clearly that person was an ATI fanboi and had no honest opinion to give. Nothing but a troll.
and you dont have to wait a while to get a 5900 Ultra, they are scheduled due dates are July 4th....20 days away.
5150Joker
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He is a webmaster for a review site ( nordichardware) and has had the 5900 Ultra for awhile. His opinion is far more valid than yours (or mine) and he is definitely NOT a fanboy. Infact, another poster on nvnews named DaveW had a 5900 Ultra review sample he got rid of as well and kept his 9800 pro. His opinion? The FSAA sucked on 5900 Ultra and he wasn't happy with the card.
P.S. 5900 Ultra's are already available and several people have already ordered and received their cards. Maybe you should look a little closer.
5150Joker
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