5850x2 and 5870x2 pricing

[kriskan]

5850 x2 pricing

Do you guys think this slide is authentic? (although prices might be high at release)

399 and 599 for 5850 x2 and 5870 x2 respectively. why would anyone buy 5870 ?

the price difference is just 50$. I'm considering waiting for 5850 x2.(oct-nov this year).

 

[GaiaHunter]

People buy now because of the upgrade bug.

This, the 5870 and even the 5850, are enthusiast cards.

Some will just buy now and be done with it, enjoying their cards NOW and not in a couple of months or more.

Some will just wait.

Others will buy now and sell then to buy the 5870x2 and 5850x2 or just add one of the x2 cards and run Trifire.

Additionally, I don't know if those prices wont go up or those cards wont be a bit delayed if nVidia fails to come up with anything til then.

 

[MrK6]

I'd guess the 5850X2 would be $499, maybe $449 at the least. $599 for the 5870X2 sounds right though.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: kriskan
399 and 599 for 5850 x2 and 5870 x2 respectively. why would anyone buy 5870 ?

I don't quite see where you are getting that from the slide you linked to. I'm guessing that while ATI might speculate and talk about 5850X2 they won't ever actually put one out themselves. This is the same situation as the 4850X2, whch was put out by Sapphire and not ATI.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: kriskan
399 and 599 for 5850 x2 and 5870 x2 respectively. why would anyone buy 5870 ?

I don't quite see where you are getting that from the slide you linked to.

+1

Afaik it's $449 thru $599 with those two models fiting somewhere inside that range. Hopefully it's $449 & $499.

 

[kriskan]

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: kriskan
399 and 599 for 5850 x2 and 5870 x2 respectively. why would anyone buy 5870 ?

I don't quite see where you are getting that from the slide you linked to.

+1

Afaik it's $449 thru $599 with those two models fiting somewhere inside that range. Hopefully it's $449 & $499.

I'm pretty sure you wont get 5870 x2 for anything less than 500$ atleast in the beginning.
(although I'm not the one pricing these .. ATI will definetely cash on it being the TOP graphics card). the card in question is 5850 x2 will it sell for 399 or 499. Being a Value card planned for selling more cards with less margin, I guess it will be 399$. But I would buy it at 449$ too.

 

[Tempered81]

If a 5850X2 is $399 it's going to be an even better buy than the $259 5850. At $399, it's also faster than a GTX295, and $100 cheaper - heck it's faster than GTX280, and GTX285 sli.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
If a 5850X2 is $399 it's going to be an even better buy than the $259 5850. At $399, it's also faster than a GTX295, and $100 cheaper - heck it's faster than GTX280, and GTX285 sli.

I don't see an HD5850X2 at $400 unless they drop the prices of the existing cards to $200/$300 first, or thereabouts.
And that would only be done in response to NV pressure.
Something like like $500 is more likely for the 50X2 and $600 for the 70X2.

 

[T2k]

People seem to forget what happened last year - that is what will happen again because it makes sense for AMD.

A dual chip card does not kill CF sales but rather lures anti-CF people into multi-GPU solutions. Single 5870 will drop down to $300-$350 and single $5850 will go down to $220 - I predict 5850X2 2GB for ~$400 or less and $500-$550 for 5870X2 2GB for Christmas.

All this assumes there will be no shortage of any ATI chips.

 

[cbn]

This HD5850x2 for $399 makes me wonder if single HD5850 wont be phased out by HD5770? (especially if HD5770 ends up being 1280 stream processors and at least 192 bit)

I mean seriously how many defect/low bin Cypress cores does ATI expect in the next 6 months? It would seem to me that as yields increase saving defect/low bin Cypress core for x2 cards makes more sense.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

I don't see an HD5850X2 at $400 unless they drop the prices of the existing cards to $200/$300 first, or thereabouts.
And that would only be done in response to NV pressure.
Something like like $500 is more likely for the 50X2 and $600 for the 70X2.

If $199 HD5770 (Juniper XT) ends up being 1280 stream processors @850 Mhz with a decent sized memory bus it will put a big hurt on these defect/low bin Cypress cores being sold as HD5850.

 

[imported_Shaq]

$399 is too low when the 5870 is $379. Either the X2 is $449 or they will have to lower the 5870 to $329. The 5870 X2 will be $549 or $599 since it will be the fastest card.

 

[alyarb]

is the frame buffer shared or do we have to deal with another bridge chip

 

[thilanliyan]

Probably another bridge chip. There was an article I saw a while back and it had an interview with some guy from ATI and he stated that the shared frame buffer is not the "holy grail" it's made out to be. I'll try to find it but it was so long ago.

Here it is:
http://www.insidehw.com/Editor...lution-for-masses.html

?Basic mistake is to expect higher performance levels with single frame buffer for both GPUs. That can be applicable to system memory (RAM) that has few applications that have access to it. When memory on graphics cards is concerned it?s not the case and gain in performances wouldn?t be great. Off course complexity of implementing that solution shouldn?t be disregarded along with expenses that would follow that kind of development and it is actually cheaper to implement double amount of video memory in this case?.

 

[alyarb]

i don't see how it would be cheaper, and it should be at least a little faster.

instead of a pair of 1GB memory systems that mirror each other, you can have a 2GB shared buffer without a costly bridge chip. they should build the chip-to-chip i/o right on the die. they just want to keep it separate to minimize any departure from the crossfire architecture. sharing memory is more authentic SMP. years from now i expect the development costs will not dwarf the manufacturing costs.

 

[thilanliyan]

It's easier to just build one large chip then isn't it (easier to engineer but costly to build due to yield issues with large dies?)? Except you don't have (or have to build in again) the advantages of having the one large chip.

 

[kriskan]

Originally posted by: alyarb
i don't see how it would be cheaper, and it should be at least a little faster.

instead of a pair of 1GB memory systems that mirror each other, you can have a 2GB shared buffer without a costly bridge chip. they should build the chip-to-chip i/o right on the die. they just want to keep it separate to minimize any departure from the crossfire architecture. sharing memory is more authentic SMP. years from now i expect the development costs will not dwarf the manufacturing costs.

Its not necessary that they increase the memory to 2gb. I think they will keep the memory at 1GB.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: alyarb
i don't see how it would be cheaper, and it should be at least a little faster.

instead of a pair of 1GB memory systems that mirror each other, you can have a 2GB shared buffer without a costly bridge chip. they should build the chip-to-chip i/o right on the die. they just want to keep it separate to minimize any departure from the crossfire architecture. sharing memory is more authentic SMP. years from now i expect the development costs will not dwarf the manufacturing costs.

I think you might be forgetting that both ATI and NVIDIA have to consider their dual gpu cards within the context of their entire product line. Having their dual gpu cards operate as essentially SLI or Crossfire makes sense for them because it allows them to tweak driver profiles for SLI or Crossfire, and it will also benefit their dual gpu cards.

If their lineup consisted of single gpu cards, SLI or Crossfire, and some dual gpu shared memory technology card it would increase their driver development time and cost every time a major title came out. Plus, it's debatable whether or not shared memory would offer any performance gain at all.

 

[T2k]

X2 cards are actually CHEAPER to mfr than CF, if you think about it - one card instead of two, only a cheap bridge chip, that's it.

 

[Jacen]

I suspect the 5870x2 won't hit $600. 500-550 is what OEMs seem to be shooting for. I figure by the time it launches the 5870 will be be around $300 so that the X2 will be a comparative deal.

 

[kriskan]

Originally posted by: Jacen
I suspect the 5870x2 won't hit $600. 500-550 is what OEMs seem to be shooting for. I figure by the time it launches the 5870 will be be around $300 so that the X2 will be a comparative deal.

I disagree a lot of this depends on what Nvidia comes up with... or how they decrease their prices. ATI would never decrease the prices if the competition is not there.

 

[MrK6]

The 4870 launched at $299 while the 4870X2 launched at $550. Now we have the 5870 at $380: why are people expecting the 5870 to launch at $499, especially when there's even less competition from NVIDIA this time around? Wishful thinking?

 

[LCD123]

I agree with Mrk6. Here's the prices that will take place:

hd5850: $299
hd5870: $399
hd5850x2: $549
hd5870x2: $749

Itll be $50 cheaper than buying two seperate cards because the savings is due to a single PCB. No way will hd5850x2 be close to a hd5870 in price or no one will buy the hd5870!

 

[bunnyfubbles]

except the 5850 and 5870 are already priced $259 and $379 USD respectively...so not only are you wrong there (unless you're thinking in terms of some other currency) your predictions for the X2s would most likely be way too high as well.

also, there are no official plans for a 5850 X2, so if we see one it will be because AIB partners venture off on their own to produce one.

 

[Hauk]

I'd pay $599 for a 5870 X2 and no more.

$700+ would be unwise. Even if there's nothing to compete, it would be a departure from ATI's "gamers in mind" strategy... a strategy that's worked of late..