580 vs 560

[Don66]

A friend of mine wants to get a new video card.

Already has a 560.

He asks me what I think, I say keep the 560 he thinks the 580 would be alot faster.

I know that the 580 is abit faster, but is it $200.00 faster?

 

[jackstar7]

What games does he play? Has he looked at benchmarks and done the $/FPS ratio for himself? Or is he just a compusive upgrader with money to burn? If so, he should SLI some 580s and then get a new job to pay for them.

 

[Skurge]

A friend of mine wants to get a new video card.

Already has a 560.

He asks me what I think, I say keep the 560 he thinks the 580 would be alot faster.

I know that the 580 is abit faster, but is it $200.00 faster?

If he isnt satisfied with the 560, then he should get a faster card and there is nothing faster than a 580.

What is the rest of his system like and what resolution?

 

[ZimZum]

Does he have an SLI board? If so he'd be better off just adding another 560. Thats an upgrade that makes more sense and it would obliterate a 580.

 

[happy medium]

A friend of mine wants to get a new video card.

Already has a 560.

He asks me what I think, I say keep the 560 he thinks the 580 would be alot faster.

I know that the 580 is abit faster, but is it $200.00 faster?

Tell him to wait a week or 2 for the gtx 590. They are being shipped to reviewers as we speak.
The gtx580 is not a good upgrade from a gtx560, especailly if you overclock the 560.
He might get lucky if EVGA releases there dual gtx560 card that has been rumered.

 

[happy medium]

Does he have an SLI board? If so he'd be better off just adding another 560. Thats an upgrade that makes more sense and it would obliterate a 580.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:that would also be a good idea.

 

[Don66]

If he isnt satisfied with the 560, then he should get a faster card and there is nothing faster than a 580.

What is the rest of his system like and what resolution?

His system I'm pretty sure is built around an I7 870, not sure about the mobo, 16GB ddr3
some sort of ssd, and yes he plays games.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

It's a great card and I think would be worth the upgrade for $200. I don't see how he could sell a card that costs $250 brand new and buy a gtx 580 that costs $500 and it be a $200 upgrade? That's a $250 difference assuming he got every penny back on the 560. He's pretty much made his bed with the 560 IMO unless he's willing to eat a lot of costs in the upgrade. Tell him to enjoy it the 560 is a solid card.

 

[Arkadrel]

If he isnt satisfied with the 560, then he should get a faster card and there is nothing faster than a 580.

2x 560s

Id tell your friend not to waste money on a 580, but add a 560.
MUCH more fps/$ that way (also 2x560 in SLI will walk all over a single 580)

580 is pretty costy for the fps it gives, or bad value, its price tag comes from being the top of the food chain single card wise.

If you want good value, a 6950 is where you should look.
If all he wants is just more performance than a single 560 can give, he should look into SLI or Crossfire setups.

 

[stahlhart]

2x 560s

Id tell your friend not to waste money on a 580, but add a 560.
MUCH more fps/$ that way (also 2x560 in SLI will walk all over a single 580)

580 is pretty costy for the fps it gives, or bad value, its price tag comes from being the top of the food chain single card wise.

If you want good value, a 6950 is where you should look.
If all he wants is just more performance than a single 560 can give, he should look into SLI or Crossfire setups.

Does he have an SLI board? If so he'd be better off just adding another 560. Thats an upgrade that makes more sense and it would obliterate a 580.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:that would also be a good idea.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-560-sli_7.html#sect0

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[Skurge]

2x 560s

Id tell your friend not to waste money on a 580, but add a 560.
MUCH more fps/$ that way (also 2x560 in SLI will walk all over a single 580)

580 is pretty costy for the fps it gives, or bad value, its price tag comes from being the top of the food chain single card wise.

If you want good value, a 6950 is where you should look.
If all he wants is just more performance than a single 560 can give, he should look into SLI or Crossfire setups.

We don't know if he's mobo supports SLI, or maybe he is a single card type of guy like me. I would go for a 580 before I get 560SLI, for a number of reasons, but thats me.

Adding another 560 is not a bad idea.

 

[Don66]

Thanks for the input I'll have him read the replies.

 

[Arkadrel]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-560-sli_7.html#sect0

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To give a idea of what 560x2 in SLI, looks like:

Not sure why xbitlabs got results that look like that.... TechPowerUp's look differnt.

anyways performance summery from like 20 games for techpowerup puts 2x560 SLI like this:

I trust techpowerup a hellva lot more than xbitlabs, Xbitlabs is more trustworthy than say... fudzilla.. but.. yeah...You want to read benchmarks, you should go to techpowerup.

Link: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_560_Ti_SLI/23.html

Go read up on the game you want (on the TPU site), and look what TPU got from benches.

 

[ZimZum]

Not sure why xbitlabs got results that look like that.... TechPowerUp's look differnt.

I trust techpowerup a hellva lot more than xbitlabs, Xbitlabs is more trustworthy than say... fudzilla.. but.. yeah...You want to read benchmarks, you should go to techpowerup.
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Guru3d's benches also mirror TPU's results. Showing that a 560 SLI setup will absolutely ruin a single 580, as well it should. Dont know whats going on with Xbits results.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-sli-review/1

 

[Arkadrel]

Whats going on with xbits results is...its a rumor site...lots of articals are rushed with errors or not done right. Like I said... you dont want to be silly enough to believe in benchmarks from it. Same goes for Fudzilla, you visit them for odd rumor based news and thats about it.

*IF* you want benchmarks done right you visit techpowerup.

 

[stahlhart]

Thanks for the clarification -- I figured that there had to be a reason for the disconnect there.

 

[Nirreln]

Wow, you guys need to learn how to read a graph better... >_<
Tech power up has the sli GTX560 with only 11&#37; advantage over the GTX580 while x-bit shows about 20% advantage for the sli GTX560 at 1920x1080

 

[notty22]

IMO, the Xbit article , comments were just trying to lean towards going the single card route, for 500 dollars VS an INITIAL purchase of 2 -250.00 dollar cards. The added performance in some games did not offset the possible negative end user experience in games that did not support SLI, or scaled poorly. In certain games the added 20&#37; fps 'added nothing to the game-play @ 1080p type comments.
If your upgrading or buying to fit budget 1 card now another later that changes the equation.

There are added pro's and cons for single or dual card also. If you want surround multi- monitor NOW, you need 2 video cards with Nvidia. If your considering surround and 3d then , you get the surround requirement filled and the extra % performance in 3d will help with the frame-rate hit that 3d incurs. By going SLI
all imho.

 

[stahlhart]

Wow, you guys need to learn how to read a graph better... >_<
Tech power up has the sli GTX560 with only 11% advantage over the GTX580 while x-bit shows about 20% advantage for the sli GTX560 at 1920x1080

"At the most popular resolution the GeForce GTX 560 Ti SLI has an average advantage of 20% over its opponents, its average scalability increasing from 50 to 62%. However, this doesn’t make any difference in
terms of playability in any of the games. Moreover, the SLI tandem has a bottom speed of 30 fps in BattleForge whereas the single such card delivers 35 fps and the GeForce GTX 580, 45 fps. We didn’t see any performance breakthroughs even in the synthetic Unigine Heaven where the SLI tandem had the highest bottom speed among the tested solutions."

 

[Skurge]

"At the most popular resolution the GeForce GTX 560 Ti SLI has an average advantage of 20% over its opponents, its average scalability increasing from 50 to 62%. However, this doesn’t make any difference in
terms of playability in any of the games. Moreover, the SLI tandem has a bottom speed of 30 fps in BattleForge whereas the single such card delivers 35 fps and the GeForce GTX 580, 45 fps. We didn’t see any performance breakthroughs even in the synthetic Unigine Heaven where the SLI tandem had the highest bottom speed among the tested solutions."

Seeing as TPU puts 560SLI at 12% faster than the 580, i agree with this. Seems like the 560s just don't have as good scaling as the cards around them.

We still don't know what resolution the guy is running.