5770 or 5850 @ 1650x1050

[beginner99]

So I'm thinking about building a new PC from scratch. My current one is complete crap, some cheap old OEM thing, so can't use anything from it.
(Not a big issue cause I mainly played StarCraft anyway...)

I'm something in between a "real / enthusiast" gamer and casual gamer I would say.
I will probably mostly play sc2 and CIV V but once I actually have the hardware to play modern FPS I might also buy one of these.

So does the 5850 offer any benefit @ 1650x1050 over a 5770 in sc2? beta testers?
I'm especially curious about "ultra crowded" situations like 24 carriers in sc1, meaning it should always run smoothly.
(or are these situations cpu limited? Probably will take an i5750).

Price is not a big issue but more noise/heat meaning keep it as quite and cheap as possible. Assuming the 5770 is actually quieter.

 

[biostud]

waht is your current setup? If your cpu is slow you won't benefit from a very fast GPU.

 

[toyota]

well if you are building a new pc with all good compnents such as an i5 750 and good power supply then a 5850 will be a good choice. a 5770 wouldnt be bad either at that res but if you want to crank the settings and money is not an issue then go for the 5850. the 5850 doesnt use a lot of power relative to its performance and you can choose a model that runs pretty quiet.

 

[darkewaffle]

I'm building as well, I went with a 5770 for 1680x1050. But then again, all the games I'll be playing are a few years old so it will more than suffice. I did do some reading though, and the 5770 seems to be very capable of gaming at that resolution, even with some/all effects turned up.

 

[tincart]

The 5770 is the card for that resolution. You would want the 5850 for 1920 x 1080.

 

[Imp]

I have a 5770 and it's more than adequate with my i5 750 up to 1920x1200 for everything but Crysis and Metro 2033.

However, you should just go for a 5850. The 5770 is cheaper by just over $100, but the 5850 is significantly more futureproof and a lot more value. Last I checked, the 5850 is only slightly louder under loud than the 5770 egg-shaped cooler.

You really can't go wrong with either though. The $100 saved could get you 2/3 to a 6770 when it comes out.

 

[happy medium]

The best choice at that resolution is the gtx 465 for 250$ (at newegg) or a 5850 if you can get one for $275 or less.

The 5770 is getting a little old and slow.

 

[Phynaz]

The best choice at that resolution is the gtx 465 for 250$ (at newegg) or a 5850 if you can get one for $275 or less.

The 5770 is getting a little old and slow.

1. Your post isn't an answer to his question, he didn't ask about Nvidia.

2. 5770 is just as fast as it was yesterday, and the week before that. It is neither old, nor slow. It is faster, cooler running and more advanced than anything Nvidia has in it's price range. Period.

 

[happy medium]

1. Your post isn't an answer to his question, he didn't ask about Nvidia.

2. 5770 is just as fast as it was yesterday, and the week before that. It is neither old, nor slow. It is faster, cooler running and more advanced than anything Nvidia has in it's price range. Period.

Yes I did, The 5770 is to slow, and you want something more powerfull like a 5850 or gtx 465.

Unless he plays all console ports the 5770 will be too slow for modern PC gaming very soon.

Stalker,Crysis 2,Metro ,the list will grow and he will be upgrading again.

 

[dust]

Price is not a big issue but more noise/heat meaning keep it as quite and cheap as possible. Assuming the 5770 is actually quieter.

The 5770 should be fine, a 5850 would certainly bring more to the table but it's a lot more expensive also. I'd stay out of Nvidia this time around since you mentioned noise/heat.

 

[RaistlinZ]

If you're building from scratch I'd say get the 5770 at that resolution. You can always add another 5770 down the road.

 

[beginner99]

NV is not an option (especially not the 465 considering it's around as hot and loud as a 480).

Else it seems to be around a tie between 5770 and 5850.

Where I live I could get the cheapest 5770(Club3d) for about 170$ and a vapor-x 5770 is at about 205$.

The cheapest 5850 (Asus) is 308$ vapor-x version is 363$.

Ain't cheap here as you can see...

for NV fans: the 465 is same price as 5850 and the 470 quite a bit more.

 

[busydude]

NV is not an option (especially not the 465 considering it's around as hot and loud as a 480).

Else it seems to be around a tie between 5770 and 5850.

Where I live I could get the cheapest 5770(Club3d) for about 170$ and a vapor-x 5770 is at about 205$.

The cheapest 5850 (Asus) is 308$ vapor-x version is 363$.

Ain't cheap here as you can see...

for NV fans: the 465 is same price as 5850 and the 470 quite a bit more.

If you feel 5850 is expensive, then go for the 5770 ASAT. You won't regret your purchase.

 

[phantom404]

I have a 5770 and play on a 27inch monitor 2048 by 1536 or some off resolution like that and so far runs everything pretty smoothly. I'm using a 720x3 unlocked to 4 cores at 3.5 GHz. You can always slap another 5770 in later and get close to 5870 speeds if i remember.

 

[RussianSensation]

The best choice at that resolution is the gtx 465 for 250$ (at newegg)

1. GTX460 is right around the corner which will make GTX465 obsolete.
2. You can get CF 5770 for $260-275 which will be as fast as a 5870 and walk all over the GTX465.
3. For $30 more, 5850 is significantly faster than the 465 and is quieter.

I would say 5770 is the best card for 1680x1050. Pocket the savings towards a faster graphics card in 12 months as has been mentioned. 5770 will crush SC2 at 1680x1050 4AA and a Core i5 750. I think GTX(S) 460 should launch around July 12th.

 

[edplayer]

I'm something in between a "real / enthusiast" gamer and casual gamer I would say.
I will probably mostly play sc2 and CIV V but once I actually have the hardware to play modern FPS I might also buy one of these.

in general, I would say the 5770. But I have no experience with SC2. Maybe someone can contribute something about that instead of this useless bickering which I am growing tired of.

 

[genietime]

A 5770 works fine for SC2. I don't know about with super heavy crowding and it is a beta, but paired with an i5 750 it's fine. I had a very similar decision recently in building my wife's rig for light gaming use. I ended up going with a 5770 and using the money elsewhere for better components. If you have a X-fire board, you can always add another one later for a performance boost. If you can afford the extra $$ a 5850 is a fine option.

I have a 5870 (roughly ~ to an overclocked 5850) in my system and isn't really that noticeably faster in SC2 (I'm sure it's a few more fps but it's not really apparent) compared to my wife's computer. I am also planning on getting Civ V as well. To be honest I don't think either game will be that hard on most modern GPUs.

Really it comes done to your GPU budget but either card I recommend. I don't think you'll be disappointed with a 5770 at 1650x1080. A 5850 is a bit faster and more future proof, but at least for now it's quite a jump up in coin.

On a side note I highly recommend an i5 750; it's excellent for a upper mid-range gaming rig. Be sure to get a quality PS and personally I'd get a mobo that is X-fire capable for later (it's not much more $$).

 

[blanketyblank]

5770 is fine for the SC2 beta and thus should be even better for the final since they'll have patches and performance tweaks to make the experience better.

 

[tincart]

The best choice at that resolution is the gtx 465 for 250$ (at newegg) or a 5850 if you can get one for $275 or less.

The 5770 is getting a little old and slow.

Less performance than a 5850 for more money. How exactly is that the "best choice"?

Cake or death?

 

[thewalrus34]

Would 5830 be an option? I know that wasn't really what he was asking for, but I have the same question for upgrading w/ a 1680 x 1050 resolution.

 

[tincart]

The 5830 seems to have its sweet spot at 1920 x 1080 so it would be more than capable at the lower resolution. In my opinion it is a good solution if you can grab one for 200$ or less.

 

[beginner99]

5830 is pretty much in between the 5850 and 5770 price-wise here.

But I've heard it's bad value? I remember to have read it perfroms worse than a 5770 in certain games/conditions?

 

[Lonyo]

5830 is pretty much in between the 5850 and 5770 price-wise here.

But I've heard it's bad value? I remember to have read it perfroms worse than a 5770 in certain games/conditions?

The problem with the HD5830 wasn't particularly performance, it was price.
At launch it was far too expensive for what it offered.

If you do consider it, then remember that the power use is pretty close to an HD5870 despite performance being nowhere near.
The HD5830 performs about 1/4th of the way between an HD5770 and HD5850, so if it's priced exactly midway between it's not great value.
With a $170 HD5770 and a $310 HD5850, the HD5830 would need to be priced at around $210 tops to be decent value for what it offers on average.

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/starcraft_ii_wings_of_liberty_beta_performance,5.html
This might help with your decision. Unfortunately it doesn't cover the HD5830.
HD5770 gets 2/3rds of the performance of an HD5850 at 1680x1050, and is more than playable.

The next couple of pages cover CPU clockspeed scaling and core scaling+CPU speed scaling.

 

[happy medium]

The problem with the HD5830 wasn't particularly performance, it was price.
At launch it was far too expensive for what it offered.

If you do consider it, then remember that the power use is pretty close to an HD5870 despite performance being nowhere near.
The HD5830 performs about 1/4th of the way between an HD5770 and HD5850, so if it's priced exactly midway between it's not great value.
With a $170 HD5770 and a $310 HD5850, the HD5830 would need to be priced at around $210 tops to be decent value for what it offers on average.

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/starcraft_ii_wings_of_liberty_beta_performance,5.html
This might help with your decision. Unfortunately it doesn't cover the HD5830.
HD5770 gets 2/3rds of the performance of an HD5850 at 1680x1050, and is more than playable.

The next couple of pages cover CPU clockspeed scaling and core scaling+CPU speed scaling.

The 5830 has been around $220 shipped and 199$ with rebate for weeks.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-878-_-Product