5770 or 4870

[slag]

best deal on a 5770 or 4870 right now?

I read a review here on anandtech from October and it states they can find the 5770 for $159 and the 4870 which is only $10.00 less ($149.99).

Its now almost half a year later and so I'm expecting to find those card prices have dropped about 10-15 percent or so but no.. not even close. They now cost more..

Cheapest 4870 on newegg: $154.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-849-_-Product

Cheapest 5770 is $159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-103-_-Product

and its nowhere near as sexy as the one they showed on the test.

$164.99 - mail in rebate (yeah right) for 154.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-086-_-Product

Whats the best deal on a 5770 or 4870 right now? I'm looking to upgrade from an 8800gt

 

[tweakboy]

I seen a guy compare those two cards in one system. I believe a Phenom X4 not OCed

5770 gave more frame rates and smoother then 4870. Ditch the 4870 and go with the new tech chip which is faster although its not the 5890. It still is comparable to gtx 285 or ati 4870 X2 ,,,,,, anyhow gl let us know..

 

[Hyperlite]

I seen a guy compare those two cards in one system. I believe a Phenom X4 not OCed

5770 gave more frame rates and smoother then 4870. Ditch the 4870 and go with the new tech chip which is faster although its not the 5890. It still is comparable to gtx 285 or ati 4870 X2 ,,,,,, anyhow gl let us know..

OK...for the third time in recent memory, there is no 5890. And the 5770 does come close to even thinking about competing with a GTX285 or a 4870 X2.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/vga-charts-december-2009/10
http://www.guru3d.com/article/vga-charts-december-2009/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/vga-charts-december-2009/5

etc, etc, etc

OP, i'd go with a 5770. negligible price difference, performs the same in any situation vs the 4870. And i'd stay away from that diamond card.

 

[blanketyblank]

Yeh 5770 is basically the equivalent of the 4870 except it offers much better OCing (BUT in the rare game which is bandwidth limited offers slightly worse results). Just get the 5770 since the power savings alone is worth it not to mention DX11 support.
Heat or fan noise were the problems I had with my 4850 under load, but my 5770 has neither problem. 4870 was supposed to be even hotter and louder than 4850.

I'd really only consider the 4870 if it was at around 130 now or 110 for the 512 version.

 

[slag]

thanks for the advice.. Whats the best price on a 5770?

This is going into my phenom X2 720 overclocked to 3.7 ghz windows 7 system if it matters.

 

[llee]

Go with 5770. Why?

Next generation product with new technologies
Quieter fan and die due to smaller manufacturing process
Lower power consumption and lower electricity bill
Increased resale value compared to older cards
Physically shorter than 4870 by an inch or two

 

[blanketyblank]

Depends where you are, brand you want, and what stores you are willing to buy at.
In terms of raw price 150 is lowest I've seen.
I'm not recommending this one in particular, but it's the cheapest one on newegg right now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-328-_-Product

However since I'm in CA I prefer buying off Amazon or TigerDirect/Circuit City since they don't charge sales tax.
Don't forget Bing cashback and possibly ebay( I only buy from big vendors like buy.com or tigerdirect) can affect the price greatly as well.

Finally bestbuy is starting to sell these cards for I think 180 or so. They offer 10% coupons all the time so that's basically the same as buying at $161 at newegg for me. Not bad considering it's XFX.

 

[Hyperlite]

thanks for the advice.. Whats the best price on a 5770?

This is going into my phenom X2 720 overclocked to 3.7 ghz windows 7 system if it matters.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161317

 

[RussianSensation]

Do you have an SLI motherboard? You can pick up a 2nd 8800GT for $70. I would probably try to aim at 5830 to upgrade to. 5770 is a good card, but it also depends on what resolution you are playing at. When I upgrade the GPU, I want at least 2-3x the performance increase. 5770 is not 2x faster than 8800GT/9800GT:

Far Cry 2
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/0110/itogi-video-fc-wxp-aaa-1920-pcie.html

Crysis
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/0110/itogi-video-cr3-wxp-1680-pcie.html

And once a game utilizes DX11, the demand on 5770 is simply too large:
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/0110/itogi-video-di-wxp-1920-pcie.html

So I can't imagine this card holding out too well for DX11 games. Upgrade for the games you play today. In general, since one of the major selling features for DX11 is tessellation, I think that it will require HD6000 series to handle full-fledged DX11 games.

 

[slag]

Do you have an SLI motherboard? You can pick up a 2nd 8800GT for $70. I would probably try to aim at 5830 to upgrade to. 5770 is a good card, but it also depends on what resolution you are playing at. When I upgrade the GPU, I want at least 2-3x the performance increase. 5770 is not 2x faster than 8800GT/9800GT:

Far Cry 2
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/0110/itogi-video-fc-wxp-aaa-1920-pcie.html

Crysis
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/0110/itogi-video-cr3-wxp-1680-pcie.html

And once a game utilizes DX11, the demand on 5770 is simply too large:
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/0110/itogi-video-di-wxp-1920-pcie.html

So I can't imagine this card holding out too well for DX11 games. Upgrade for the games you play today. In general, since one of the major selling features for DX11 is tessellation, I think that it will require HD6000 series to handle full-fledged DX11 games.

My budget is $150.00. I don't have an sli board. I want a single card solution for around $150.00 and the 5770 looked like the best bang for the buck.

 

[blanketyblank]

I think 5770 is the best way to go right now with your budget. Hold off as long as you can, but I doubt you'll see anything else turn up in that range any time soon.
Nvidia's fermi release may cause the high end cards to change prices, but I think at most you'd see something like 5850s get to around $250 with little or no change in these midrange cards. Actually I doubt you'd even see that any time soon since the new nvidia cards will probably only compete with the 5870 and 5970 in terms of price and performance.

 

[RobsTV]

And once a game utilizes DX11, the demand on 5770 is simply too large:
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/0110/itogi-video-di-wxp-1920-pcie.html

So I can't imagine this card holding out too well for DX11 games. Upgrade for the games you play today. In general, since one of the major selling features for DX11 is tessellation, I think that it will require HD6000 series to handle full-fledged DX11 games.

I am not seeing this in that link. Maybe I am reading it wrong?
Since half the cards on that chart can not even run Dirt2 using DX11, the 5770 running DX11 seems to be keeping up pretty well. Running Dirt2 here on my 5770, and it has no problems cranked up in DX11. If you want to upgrade to a card that works with games today, the 5770 is a great low cost choice for DX11 Dirt 2.

 

[Occ]

Keep an eye on that egg shaped cooler HIS 5770 on newegg. good brand and this type of cooler is supposed to be quieter and more effective. right now they just have a MIR, but a couple weeks ago when I got mine they had a instant code you could enter on checkout that would take off $10.

 

[alexruiz]

The powercolor PCs+ HD5770 was on sale for $134 after a code and a MIR. I am waiting for a similar offer to get another one

 

[RussianSensation]

I am not seeing this in that link. Maybe I am reading it wrong?
Since half the cards on that chart can not even run Dirt2 using DX11, the 5770 running DX11 seems to be keeping up pretty well. Running Dirt2 here on my 5770, and it has no problems cranked up in DX11. If you want to upgrade to a card that works with games today, the 5770 is a great low cost choice for DX11 Dirt 2.

I am saying that Dirt2 is not a DX11 game from the ground up. Sure it has some DX11 features thrown in for good measure, much like certain Pixel Shader 3.0 effects were used when GeForce 6800U was around (HDR). But boy, once full fledged DX9 came around, 6800U couldn't run most of them smoothly because DX9 games from the ground up used higher textures and more advanced shader effects.

Looking at the bench I linked:
5770 DX11 = 43.3 fps
4870 DX10 = 57.4 fps
4890 DX10 = 62.6 fps (+45&#37

If 5770 already cannot provide decent frames with sprinkled DX11 effects, how do you expect it to run DX11 games? To the OP, I would at least attempt to sell the 8800GT for $50 and add $150 to get something better than 5770.

What about Battlefield Bad Company 2?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2047861

5770 is a failure imo. Maybe I have high expectations but at the very least I expect next generation mid-range to offer same performance as last gen high end + all new features. Recall when 6600GT came out and it was faster than 9800XT and had all new features. I guess those days are a distant memory. 5770 should have been what 5830 will be. Also consider that in June of 2008 GTX280 debuted at ~$600+. Fast forward and in June of 2009 you could have purchased a 4890 for $200 and get 90% of the performance. Right now the videocard market is a complete disappointment.

 

[Jhatfie]

Just ordered a powercolor PCS+ HD5770 1GB at ewiz for my HTPC for $145 shipped using their coupon code and bing vash back, no rebate. Not too a bad price.

 

[RobsTV]

Just ordered a powercolor PCS+ HD5770 1GB at ewiz for my HTPC for $145 shipped using their coupon code and bing vash back, no rebate. Not too a bad price.

Great card. The 1GB PowerColor PCS+ is the same one I purchased when Newegg had them for $135 shipped AR a couple weeks ago. Factory overclocked yet plenty of room for more, ultra quiet, and handles everything I throw at it with ease. It was a nice upgrade from a HD4830 in HTPC. Dirt 2 is also included, so if that is your thing, take that into account with price, and the deal is even better.

See that you have a HTPC with a HD4830 as well. I changed the HD4830 to passive cooling, which worked fine. But the HD5770 uses even less power than the HD4830, so it runs cooler even when overclocked, and fan barely needs to work as it is, so no mods were necessary with the HD5770.

ATi prices have been very steady for over a year, with little to no price drops. I sold my HD4830 for what I paid for it.

 

[RobsTV]

I am saying that Dirt2 is not a DX11 game from the ground up. Sure it has some DX11 features thrown in for good measure, .......


What about Battlefield Bad Company 2?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2047861

5770 is a failure imo...

I am sorry but I still fail to see what you are trying to say.

Your first link was that the HD5770 is not good in DX11 Dirt 2, and I looked at the link, and it looked fine when compared to it running DX11 against other cards running DX9 or DX10 (link doesn't give details). Now that link doesn't matter? The 43.3 fps it is getting running DX11 is acceptable. Comparing that to other cards that are not and can not run DX11 is meaningless.


Then this last link to the "beta" Battlefield has me stumped as to how it relates to DX11.
None of the cards do very well. None are tested with DX11. Most fail at DX10 in these tests. If anything, the HD5770 looks good, since it scores in the top 10 of the roughly 60 cards tested.

I am sure there are plenty of other benchmarks that truly show how bad of a card the HD5770 is. Hopefully, no one will have to play those benchmarks with their new HD5770.

Another consideration is the future.
Upgrading to the HD5770 makes sense even if you have an SLi motherboard. When the card becomes too slow, adding a second HD5770 will give performance around the current HD5870. With the HD5770 priced now at around $135, that means HD5870 performance for no more than $270.

 

[slag]

I am saying that Dirt2 is not a DX11 game from the ground up. Sure it has some DX11 features thrown in for good measure, much like certain Pixel Shader 3.0 effects were used when GeForce 6800U was around (HDR). But boy, once full fledged DX9 came around, 6800U couldn't run most of them smoothly because DX9 games from the ground up used higher textures and more advanced shader effects.

Looking at the bench I linked:
5770 DX11 = 43.3 fps
4870 DX10 = 57.4 fps
4890 DX10 = 62.6 fps (+45%)

If 5770 already cannot provide decent frames with sprinkled DX11 effects, how do you expect it to run DX11 games? To the OP, I would at least attempt to sell the 8800GT for $50 and add $150 to get something better than 5770.

What about Battlefield Bad Company 2?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2047861

5770 is a failure imo. Maybe I have high expectations but at the very least I expect next generation mid-range to offer same performance as last gen high end + all new features. Recall when 6600GT came out and it was faster than 9800XT and had all new features. I guess those days are a distant memory. 5770 should have been what 5830 will be. Also consider that in June of 2008 GTX280 debuted at ~$600+. Fast forward and in June of 2009 you could have purchased a 4890 for $200 and get 90% of the performance. Right now the videocard market is a complete disappointment.

I'm giving the 8800gt to my son to replace the 7600 gt in his system.

I'll get the HIS 5770 it looks like.

Thx.. Slag

 

[tweakboy]

I think the 4870 out performs the 5770. I saw a benchmark test somewhere maybe here.:sneaky:

 

[alexruiz]

Is it only me, or the more recent the reviews, the higher the HD5770/5750 are scoring?

In the guru3d review of the HD5670, the 5770 scores on par with the 4870. Another site had a review in specific of the powercolor PCs+ HD5770 (need to find it) and it scores generally higher than the HD4870 or the GTX 260...


Alex

PS. Tempted to get another HD5770 PCs+. The kids love to leave their computers ON all the time, and the energy savings help. not to mention these are nice boost to the previous HD4830 / HD4650

 

[Hyperlite]

I think the 4870 out performs the 5770. I saw a benchmark test somewhere maybe here.:sneaky:

I'm sorry, what??? Did you bother to look at my previous post, or any of the plethora of information available in this thread?

They trade blows sometimes, but then you have power consumption, feature set, and OC-ability to consider.

 

[RussianSensation]

I am sorry but I still fail to see what you are trying to say.

Your first link was that the HD5770 is not good in DX11 Dirt 2, and I looked at the link, and it looked fine when compared to it running DX11 against other cards running DX9 or DX10 (link doesn't give details). Now that link doesn't matter? The 43.3 fps it is getting running DX11 is acceptable. Comparing that to other cards that are not and can not run DX11 is meaningless.

Then this last link to the "beta" Battlefield has me stumped as to how it relates to DX11.
None of the cards do very well.

So you would take some "sprinkled" DX11 effects in Dirt2 to go from 63 fps with 4890 to 43 fps with a 5770? The point is 5770 is slower in DX10 games. Once you add DX11 features, the framerate drops so much, I'll gladly take faster DX10 performance. DX11 is meant for powerful cards that can actually use it.

Battlefield 2 was linked to show that in most demanding games, the 5770 performs even worse. Granted 23 vs. 30 frames is both too slow. But 5770 couldn't even match 4870's speed. So there is no hope for that card running DX11 games. That's why I said to buy the card for today's games. Upgrade later when future games come out. The only reason 5770 looks attractive right now is because 4870/4890s are nowhere to be found at good prices and GTX260 216 skyrocketed to $170s. That makes 5770 the only "mid-range" option by default.

It is just interesting that on the forums you often hear that "5770 is almost the same performance as 4870/4890/GTX260", and 5850 is "way" faster than 4890/GTX275. But where do you need the most speed? In games where each frame counts (i.e. when your average is in the 20-30s, not 50-60s). That's when you see the greatest difference. And it is in those instances when 5770 is slower than 4870/GTX260/4890.

Crysis - http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3738&p=5
5770 = 25.6
4870 = 30 (+17&#37
4890 = 34.3 (+34%)
5850 = 38.8 (

Battleforge - http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3738&p=7
5770 = 33.4
4870 = 45 (+35%)
4890 = 51.3 (+54%)
5850 = 54

I am saying if 5870 was outperformed by Fermi by 30-50%, even in just 2-3 latest games, would you be recommending the 5870 card?

 

[zerocool84]

Has the OP even said what rez he's playing at???

 

[GaiaHunter]

Is it only me, or the more recent the reviews, the higher the HD5770/5750 are scoring?

In the guru3d review of the HD5670, the 5770 scores on par with the 4870. Another site had a review in specific of the powercolor PCs+ HD5770 (need to find it) and it scores generally higher than the HD4870 or the GTX 260...

Normal - drivers keep improving and these are new cards.

A thing to consider is that ATI have a different strategy than NVIDIA - NVIDIA generally has better performance in games from the get go (due to be more involved/having better developer relations) and only release new drivers occasionally. ATI has worse initial performance but release drivers monthly and in the end both companies get roughly to the same place (initial hardware capabilities allowing).

If you look at initial benchmarks from the 4870/4890 and then at recent benchmarks you will see huge improvements on these cards - look at crysis for example where NVIDIA started with overwhelming advantage and over time ATI closed a substantial part of the gap.