5700 XT - Is there a difference in image quality versus NVIDIA

[qrdwlhrmy]

5700 XT - Is there a difference in image quality versus NVIDIA

All video card tests talk about FPS

Why no pixel quality tests?
Color quality ?
REC 2020 ?
Depth of colors ?
Shadows ?
Contrast ?
YouTube ?
UPSCALE ?
Sound quality via HDMI

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Iron Woode
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[happy medium]

5700 XT - Is there a difference in image quality versus NVIDIA

All video card tests talk about FPS

Why no pixel quality tests?
Color quality ?
REC 2020 ?
Depth of colors ?
Shadows ?
Contrast ?
YouTube ?
UPSCALE ?
Sound quality via HDMI

It might be worth it if everyone used the same monitor, speakers, or headphones,but most of those things would be very opinionated.

 

[qrdwlhrmy]

It might be worth it if everyone used the same monitor, speakers, or headphones,but most of those things would be very opinionated.

there are test systems that test everything
as on the site :

Sony A9G OLED Review (XBR55A9G, XBR65A9G, XBR77A9G)

The Sony A9G is an excellent OLED TV that delivers an amazing picture quality with perfect blacks and smooth motion handling. It has wide viewing angles, making ...

www.rtings.com

why not do video card testing?

each product has a level of contrast
Contrast measurement
measuring amount of colors
10BIT / 12BIT color level measurement
HDR Peak Brightness
SDR Peak Brightness
Post Calibration
Pre Calibration
UPSCALE from 720P /480P /1080P
Input Lag
Audio Passthrough
matching video card to WRGB? LED?
.....

what is the point of checking screens/AVR / headphones if you do not check that a video card or sound card can provide the required quality ?

 

[mikeymikec]

I think it's reasonable to assume that someone would have perceived enough of a difference to warrant a more in-depth investigation if in fact there was any kind of perceivable difference. After all, we've had thousands of hours dedicated to comparing the performance of competing graphics cards, with e.g. magnified shots of the differences between different types of anti-aliasing.

While I haven't spent that kind of time looking for differences of this sort, the only thing I recall noticing is that I installed a new HDMI monitor on a system with Intel HD Graphics recently (Haswell system, brand new monitor a couple of months ago) and thought the colours looked off. I hunted around in Intel's graphics settings UI and sure enough I found a setting that boiled down to "should I show all the colours I can on this screen?" and it was disabled by default. Enabling it fixed the problem.

 

[Shmee]

Moved to Video card general as title involves Nvidia.

 

[guachi]

I've seen people test the different upscalers (or whatever it's called where the GPU renders the scene at something less than 100% of the display resolution)

AMD had a far superior system until Nvidia basically copied AMD. Then Nvidia had the better implementation as they allowed the scaling to be set per game. But then AMD came back with their latest Adrenalin drivers which allow per game settings.

Not sure this is what you are looking for, though.

 

[qrdwlhrmy]

I've seen people test the different upscalers (or whatever it's called where the GPU renders the scene at something less than 100% of the display resolution)

AMD had a far superior system until Nvidia basically copied AMD. Then Nvidia had the better implementation as they allowed the scaling to be set per game. But then AMD came back with their latest Adrenalin drivers which allow per game settings.

Not sure this is what you are looking for, though.

Thanks but not serious

 

[RetroZombie]

5700 XT - Is there a difference in image quality versus NVIDIA

Regarding the 5700XT I can't say, but I can tell you that everyone that I recommended the nvidia buy (specially in the bitcoin era), most people from family, friends and known, almost all them told me they noted image quality degradation going from radeon over to geforce.

And if it was an upgrade where the new card was faster than the previous one is even more strange to me. Desktop, videos or gaming all complained, strangely it's something that can't be shown.

I could not compare since I was not the regular computer user so I could not clearly see what they where actuality saying and showing nor I could remember how it was before.
But when it was a radeon to radeon upgrade I never had anyone bothering me with image quality problems.

Since I was in some of the peoples homes adjusting monitor gamma and contrast/brightness settings and didn't solve/fix, at best improved a little, I searched a lot the net and many reporting exactly the same, so it's common.

The more common fix that you can find on the net is this one in the amd forums and didn't work:
Why does Amd give out better colors than nvidia?
(post from apriores and ajc9988)

From nvidia their own tips also didn't work/fix:
GeForce Garage: How To Calibrate Your Monitor

If someone else is saying the same else where, maybe there is really something going on, here enjoy 31 pages on the subject
Nvidia forums are also full of the same complains

 

[darkswordsman17]

OP, that would be nice, and I think with all the different stuff going on now, that doing that type of analysis might be more important than ever. The issue is, its very time consuming and so even quality reviewers just simply can't get it done well enough. Same reason that many dropped frame time analysis, there just isn't enough demand for it for the effort it takes to do it properly. Plus you can't put it in graph form so people can argue with "facts", and instead turns things into a discussion like for the dress where some see white and gold and others see blue and black.

Regarding the 5700XT I can't say, but I can tell you that everyone that I recommended the nvidia buy (specially in the bitcoin era), most people from family, friends and known, almost all them told me they noted image quality degradation going from radeon over to geforce.

And if it was an upgrade where the new card was faster than the previous one is even more strange to me. Desktop, videos or gaming all complained, strangely it's something that can't be shown.

I could not compare since I was not the regular computer user so I could not clearly see what they where actuality saying and showing nor I could remember how it was before.
But when it was a radeon to radeon upgrade I never had anyone bothering me with image quality problems.

Since I was in some of the peoples homes adjusting monitor gamma and contrast/brightness settings and didn't solve/fix, at best improved a little, I searched a lot the net and many reporting exactly the same, so it's common.

The more common fix that you can find on the net is this one in the amd forums and didn't work:
Why does Amd give out better colors than nvidia?
(post from apriores and ajc9988)

From nvidia their own tips also didn't work/fix:
GeForce Garage: How To Calibrate Your Monitor

If someone else is saying the same else where, maybe there is really something going on, here enjoy 31 pages on the subject
Nvidia forums are also full of the same complains

I've heard this, and I think its simply settings. I've seen it the opposite too (like back when AMD's driver defaulted to some scaling thing when using HDMI so you'd get black borders and quite a few people didn't know how to remove it by adjusting the overscan).

There's also been some bugs that caused this, but those often are cleared up. And we've helped people who swore that there was a reduction in quality who found some setting that fixed it. IIRC there's some setting somewhere in Nvidia's drivers, that doesn't sound like it has anything to do with it that was found to often fix things.

Which, it wouldn't surprise me that Nvidia might be pushing color compression to the point its actually degrading things.

 

[CropDuster]

Back in my earlier flight simming days it was well known that the AMD 9x00 series had better texture quality and antialiasing than Nvidia around that era (GF4?). Many forum posts with screenshot comparisons back then

 

[qrdwlhrmy]

Regarding the 5700XT I can't say, but I can tell you that everyone that I recommended the nvidia buy (specially in the bitcoin era), most people from family, friends and known, almost all them told me they noted image quality degradation going from radeon over to geforce.

And if it was an upgrade where the new card was faster than the previous one is even more strange to me. Desktop, videos or gaming all complained, strangely it's something that can't be shown.

I could not compare since I was not the regular computer user so I could not clearly see what they where actuality saying and showing nor I could remember how it was before.
But when it was a radeon to radeon upgrade I never had anyone bothering me with image quality problems.

Since I was in some of the peoples homes adjusting monitor gamma and contrast/brightness settings and didn't solve/fix, at best improved a little, I searched a lot the net and many reporting exactly the same, so it's common.

The more common fix that you can find on the net is this one in the amd forums and didn't work:
Why does Amd give out better colors than nvidia?
(post from apriores and ajc9988)

From nvidia their own tips also didn't work/fix:
GeForce Garage: How To Calibrate Your Monitor

If someone else is saying the same else where, maybe there is really something going on, here enjoy 31 pages on the subject
Nvidia forums are also full of the same complains

What screen do you have? Model?

 

[qrdwlhrmy]

Back in my earlier flight simming days it was well known that the AMD 9x00 series had better texture quality and antialiasing than Nvidia around that era (GF4?). Many forum posts with screenshot comparisons back then

every generation of new video card rules
you wrote about video cards 7-10 years ago?
what is relevant today?

more common fix that you can find on the net is this one in the amd forums and didn't work:
Why does Amd give out better colors than nvidia?
(post from apriores and ajc9988)

Every generation of new video card rules
You write about video cards from 2015, nothing to do with the current generation?
What is relevant today?

If someone else is saying the same else where, maybe there is really something going on, here enjoy 31 pages on the subject
Nvidia forums are also full of the same complains

every generation of new video card rules
the link from 2018 but architecture is different in 5700 amd
(
RDNA
Radeon RX 5700 XT features new compute units, new instructions better suited for visual effects, and multi-level cache hierarchy for greatly reduced latency and highly responsive gaming. )
It is already old and has nothing to do with the current generation

all the answers here say that NEED high quality tests and labs
what every video card offers In every generation

also the video that appears is not a serious link, the screen without contrast!
the screen about 24 ", very not serious.
tells a story according to his eyes with no laboratory tests

 

[RetroZombie]

What screen do you have? Model?

It have nothing to with the screens, I have complains from all monitors brands. Besides I don't keep a list of the models they have.

Every generation of new video card rules
You write about video cards from 2015, nothing to do with the current generation?
What is relevant today?

RDNA still have GCN roots I don't think anything changed at the rendering quality from radeon that's why the first phrase on my post.
To really see what's going on, only some kind of capturing card with lossness compression would give screen captures.

 

[RetroZombie]

I've heard this, and I think its simply settings.

Which, it wouldn't surprise me that Nvidia might be pushing color compression to the point its actually degrading things.

Why have incorrect setting to begin with, most people barely change the monitor settings, changing graphics card setting is even more uncommon. Unless they are doing it for compatibility reasons.
This very good article have many possible fixes even for radeon users:
Correcting HDMI Colour on Nvidia and AMD GPUs