56k v.90 modem Recommendations plz!

Tyrant222

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Right now i have a Creative Modem Blaster 56k V.90 DI5660. Its ISA and im not too sure if its a winmodem (the box nor anything else ive seen seems to indicate). I will be selling this computer (specs below) for about 900$ with the modem. For my new computer, modem choice is my only real hang up. Im not sure wether to buy another one of these or the really overpriced USR's. I get good ping (230ms in counter-strike) with this one and am pleased, but if i can get better i will buy another brand.

Any recemmendations would be helpful!
thanks
 

EMAN

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It really depends on your ISP and your phone lines.

But for games I've tried lot of the modems out there including the Creative Modem Blaster, Diamond Supra Express, 3 com winmodem, and few other generic brands.

Diamond Supra Express beat everything I had. I had ping of 150-250 depending on how many people were playing on the same server. On top of that I had a weak phone line that only connected me @ 45333 at best.

Creative modem blaster is winmodem sorry to say.
 

Modus

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There are a number of reasons to avoid higher priced "hard modems," especially those made by 3Com/USR, in favor of a common PCI winmodem.

1) Winmodems are dirt cheap.

While a good Lucent LT or Rockwell/Conexant HCF winmodem can easily be found for less than $10 US (see PriceWatch) the cheapest hardware modem costs nearly four times as much: $36 plus shipping and handling. And for a 3Com part, you'll pay even more. By contrast, you can sometimes find winmodems for $5 or even for free with special promotions.

Everything else we put in our computers is subject to a price/performance ratio. In other words, if the performance of a more expensive part does not scale linearly with its price, we don't buy it. (RDRAM, anyone?) The same reasoning must be applied to hardware modems. They certainly don't perform four times as well as winmodems of a quarter the price, and as we'll see, they often don't perform any better at all.

2) Ping times and throughput are not an issue.

Modern Winmodems such as those based on the Lucent LT chipset will display ping times below 100ms and connect speeds around 48000, which is more than adequate for any Internet activity, including online gaming. Any recent softmodem -- especially the HCF variety, where the hardware handles a bit more of the duty -- should exhibit similar performance. Below, a cut and paste job from a generic Lucent LT v.90 PCI, which sells for as low as $9 on PriceWatch:

C:\WINDOWS>ping -n 10 router.infoserve.net

Pinging router.infoserve.net [199.175.157.4] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253

Ping statistics for 199.175.157.4:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 105ms, Average = 98ms

You may object that pinging an ISP would always yield good results. Actually, it's the only fair way to compare latency between modems. Pinging your ISP reduces the number of variables down to three: your modem's performance, the quality of your phone lines, and the nature of your ISP's modem pool. If we were to compare modems by pinging a fixed point on the Internet, we would quickly introduce several more uncontrolled variables: Internet traffic, server load, number of hops, etc.

Even if you ping your own ISP with an expensive hardware modem, I think you'll find it extremely difficult to match these numbers.

Not bad for $9, eh? ;)

3) CPU utilization is minimal.

One of the main arguments against winmodems has been that they consume CPU cycles. Fortunately, manufacturers have always made sure to set minimum CPU guidelines so that the effect is not noticeable. If CPU usage was ever a problem, it certainly isn't today.

CPU power has increased many, many times faster than the technology behind softmodems. For instance, the CPU usage of a typical winmodem hovers below 5% on a Celeron 333. This is in the range of the power required by Windows to spin an hourglass cursor; it's certainly not something that will eat into your game play significantly. Once again, we see the benifit of an HCF winmodem solution, where the onboard DSP relieves much of the stress on the CPU. And now we have people running around with 1 GHz processors. Any drop in frame rate will barely be measurable, let alone visible.

4) They are reliable.

In my consulting business, I've sold dozens of PC's equipped with the cheapest Winmodems I could find. Only one has ever come back with a genuine hardware defect.

Many ISP support techs have a grudge against winmodems because they feel these types of modems are responsible for an innordinate number of support calls. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, almost all new computers sold today use winmodems; a person with a new computer and a modem problem will likely be using a winmodem, simply because they are more prevalent. Second, winmodems actually require the drivers they ship with. A new PC user who can't tell the difference between his RAM and his hard drive space will feel his eyes glaze over when confronted with a manual telling him how to install softmodem drivers. Instinct tells him to phone his "Internet guys" and get them to help.

In truth, winmodems are no more apt to fail than hardware modems, and probably less so, because they have fewer electronic components.

5) Driver/OS support is excellent.

The Lucent LT, for example, supports Windows 2000, Windows 9x, Linux (see [L]http://www.linmodems.org[/L] under the Vendor section), and even the obscure BeOS. Lucent also seems comitted to releasing a new driver every few months, which means your modem's performance will always be as high as possible.

6) Affordable broadband Internet technology puts any analogue modem to shame.

Anyone using the Internet for more than email and chat sees the need for widely available broadband Internet access to replace our antiquated 56k connections. Trying to enjoy streaming audio or video over a modem connection is like trying to sip a thick milkshake through a thin straw. With the availability and affordability of high speed Internet access growing at a steady rate, it would be foolish to invest more than the minimum amount in modem technology that is already obsolete.

So when you consider the facts, there are very few valid reasons to avoid winmodems.

Modus
 

Tyrant222

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Hey EMAN, was that Diamand Supra Express an External or internal that you tested? Over at the auction sites prices are cheap but their all external. Im pretty sure their would be no difference in performance between the external and internal. around 40 bucks isnt bad for one of the best 56k modems right?
 

JackMDS

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Winmodems started with a bad name, because at the time of their introduction, a lot of computers still were using DOS, and the average speed of a desktop was 133MHz (which is on the borderline of speed needed for adequate operation of a software assist modem).

You stay away from Wimmodem if:

1. You don?t use Windows.
2. You use a very slow computer (below P-166)
3. You need to use the computer for paging. (i.e. to send a message to a pager not through the Internet).

I have computers in four locations around NYC area. One location is on a small island off the shore of New York; I am only 500 yards form the local Verizon switch system, and there is no more then few hundred lines in use. In this location any Generic Winmodem that I tried (PC-Tel, Lucent, and Conexant), always yield the maximum speed (53.3K).

The same modems yield different speed in the city. They even yield different speed on different lines in the same office). In my experience (Given that the modem that you have passed honest QA), the differences are more function of the line quality rather then the Modem.

However, different modem reacts differently to the type of noise that goes on the line, so for functional purpose I would buy three generic modems with three different chipsets. Then sell, give or whatever the other two. You probably will still save money as oppose to a ?fancy? retail HardModem.
 

vi edit

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Tyrant222, if you can get a Supra Express for $40...GET IT!

That's one of the best modems out there next to a USR V.Everything(which happens to retail for around $200)

Just make sure that it's a serial connection, and not of of those shoddy USB modems they started to put out.
 

ToBeMe

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IMHO, get an external USB.....I've had nothing but good luck with them and they seem to connect more quickly and at a slightly higher rate although I doubt that the rate is anything to do with it being a USB external!;)
 

SCUBA

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all modems are the same ......
i mean we are talking about byts of diffrance
when i changed my 36bps modem i dont remember its name to my cheap
motorola V.90 (38$)i didnt see a big diffrance coz napster wont give
you more than a 3.5 bps and most of the other sits too so find your
self a cheap modem and forget the story
but if you got monay
to burn buy an USR 2976 v90
 

IRISH4LIFE

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Zoom 56kpci modem yea it's a lucent chip winmodem but It's better (faster) then the
33.6 hardware modem I had.
 

Tyrant222

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Question: Is the Diamond Supra Express 56e USB the SAME thing as the 56i SP? besides the external USB thing... will i get the same transfer speeds going with the cheaper internal one or are they different chipsets or something?
 

Mem

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Another vote for Diamond SupraExpress ,mine now is two years old still giving me great service.
 

boomerang

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I have recently taken the advice of Modus. The last three systems I have built I have used modems with the Lucent LT chipset.

I even put one in a machine I built for my wife's office. She has horrible phone lines there. She has zero problems both online and faxing with this modem.

I was very pleased with their performance and the price. They will be my modem of choice from now on.

Edit: Errrgh, spelling errors again!
 

Gault

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I us a Modem Blaster and have good results(livin' in the country) at about 42.6k with old phone lines. I am gettin' ready to build a new machine and am thinking of going to two 3Coms and try and shotgun them. Anybody ever givin this a try?
 

etech

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Be aware that not all of us have such fortuitous good luck with soft modems.
Genitech LT chipset modem would not even connect to one ISP and only at 33K to another. Sent it back
Creative Digicom DSI DI3635, decent connect in the 49K range. Pings, well if Modus can keep posting his pings, here are mine.
C:\WINDOWS>ping 207.205.245.121

Pinging 207.205.245.121 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 207.205.245.121: bytes=32 time=280ms TTL=255
Reply from 207.205.245.121: bytes=32 time=197ms TTL=255
Reply from 207.205.245.121: bytes=32 time=196ms TTL=255
Reply from 207.205.245.121: bytes=32 time=195ms TTL=255

Ping statistics for 207.205.245.121:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 195ms, Maximum = 280ms, Average = 217ms

That is the first location listed on a tracert.

Compare that to reliable 100ms pings on a USR ISA hardware modem on the same lines and the same ISP.

Waiting on DSL, if it was not now available I would be searching for a good buy on the actiontech or USR PCI hardware modems.

 

Viper GTS

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I've had VERY good luck with my Creative Labs Flash 56K II. It's an external v.90, cost me $80 or so when I bought it. I consistently get above 50K connection speeds, &amp; I'm in the country. Ping times to yahoo by IP address are typically <150 ms.

Viper GTS