55 nm GT200 on October 22?

[BFG10K]

I hope this is true as I'm getting tired of waiting for this thing.

If it's not here by the end of October I think I'll pull the trigger and get a 65 nm variant.

http://translate.google.de/tra...e&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en

 

[thilanliyan]

I hope it comes out so it can drive prices down further.

 

[Sylvanas]

I'm in the same boat BFG. Let's hope we hear more about this soon- otherwise I am just going to go buy a 4870 and be done with it.

 

[angry hampster]

Sucks for early adopters. I assume they can't SLI with a 65nm card with the new, small-process cards?

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Sucks for early adopters. I assume they can't SLI with a 65nm card with the new, small-process cards?

Well...maybe they can...since you can SLI a 216sp 260 with the 192sp version...I don't see why they'd lock that possibility out. It'd be smarter if they didn't lock it out.

 

[rjc]

Hmmm:
Fabless Business Model Stressed out

SAN FRANCISO?Nvidia Corp. is not getting the 55-nm capacity it needs from silicon foundry giant Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC), a problem likely to worsen as the graphics chip maker moves to the 40-nm node, according to Doug Freedman, an analyst at American Technology Research.


There is also a link to an article at the bottom talking about who is to blame for the recent bad chips problems.

Lots of cards appear to be selling at really low margins at the moment, hard to see how waiting will be of much benefit. Unless of course someone is forced into a firesale.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Sucks for early adopters.

It always does, but that doesn't stop anyone. It just gives them an excuse later on to whine about how they paid more. :laugh:

Originally posted by: angry hampster
I assume they can't SLI with a 65nm card with the new, small-process cards?

Don't make assumptions. The 9800 GTX is 65nm and 9800 GTX+ is 55nm, yet they can SLI together just fine.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Sucks for early adopters.

It always does, but that doesn't stop anyone. It just gives them an excuse later on to whine about how they paid more. :laugh:

Originally posted by: angry hampster
I assume they can't SLI with a 65nm card with the new, small-process cards?

Don't make assumptions. The 9800 GTX is 65nm and 9800 GTX+ is 55nm, yet they can SLI together just fine.

I see! On that note -- what are the physical differences with the 8800GT and 8800GTS (G92)? Is it just the SP number and memory modules?

 

[nenforcer]

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Sucks for early adopters.

It always does, but that doesn't stop anyone. It just gives them an excuse later on to whine about how they paid more. :laugh:

Originally posted by: angry hampster
I assume they can't SLI with a 65nm card with the new, small-process cards?

Don't make assumptions. The 9800 GTX is 65nm and 9800 GTX+ is 55nm, yet they can SLI together just fine.

I see! On that note -- what are the physical differences with the 8800GT and 8800GTS (G92)? Is it just the SP number and memory modules?

Yeah, I'm not an expert on it but I think its the same difference between the GTX 260 and the new GTX 260 Core 216, same exact chip and size but just with additional texture units enabled. So physically no different or at least just more working SP units enabled in the BIOS probably.

 

[darXoul]

Just look what this "news" is based on... A thread on eVGA forums containing mostly crap.

Anyway, I've also grown tired waiting for the 280 refresh, and I pulled the trigger on BFG OCX. Waiting for my card to be shipped early next week (limited availability recently, heh).

 

[Bateluer]

The big question is, will this drop the prices of the Radeon 4000 series cards?

 

[WT]

Damn, I was saving up for a new card, but at this rate I might have enough to buy TWO by the time they release them.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: angry hampster
are the physical differences with the 8800GT and 8800GTS (G92)? Is it just the SP number and memory modules?

The PCB and fansink are different as well. I would think that the 8800 GTS G92 have higher average overclocks than the really cheap 8800 GT cards that aren't "factory" overclocked.

Originally posted by: darXoul
Anyway, I've also grown tired waiting for the 280 refresh, and I pulled the trigger on BFG OCX.

Good choice! For anyone waiting for October 22nd based on rumors, remember that BFG has a 100 day trade-up program. If you buy now, you have until Christmas to trade-up.

 

[RussianSensation]

But what will the 55nm die shrink bring exactly? If it's going to be similar to 9800GTX => 9800GTX+ where slight clock speed bumps negated any power consumption/heat savings, then it's not worth waiting for. I'd much rather see NV keep same clock speeds and pass on the price savings to $300 GTX 280 instead. Even if they clock GTX 280 10-15% faster, that wont' provide any more playability anyway.

 

[badnewcastle]

I just want it to bring the price down.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I hope this is true as I'm getting tired of waiting for this thing.

If it's not here by the end of October I think I'll pull the trigger and get a 65 nm variant.

http://translate.google.de/tra...e&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en

Ask [n]Rollo

it came from NV News

According to information on Nvnews were published

- i am also looking forward to try SLi'ing my 65nm 280 with the new GTX

 

[nZone]

There is certainly something new cooking as there have been rebates from all nVidia partners for the GTX 260/280. It's an indication that they try to clear out the inventory for the new ones.

I am try to resist the urge to buy two GTX 260 (old version) for $249 each along with $20 rebates. Without counting the rebates, that's a $50-70 savings on each card compare to the newer version core 216. The only thing that holds me back is 2 GTX 260 ($499 before rebates) or 1 GTX 280 ($399)?

 

[rjc]

Originally posted by: nZone
There is certainly something new cooking as there have been rebates from all nVidia partners for the GTX 260/280.

Are the rebates available on the new 216sp 260 as well? If they are only on the original 192sp model the rebates might be there just to clear the way for the 216sp model.

If you saw rebates or price cuts on the 216sp then i guess that is a reason to get excited.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: angry hampster
are the physical differences with the 8800GT and 8800GTS (G92)? Is it just the SP number and memory modules?

The PCB and fansink are different as well. I would think that the 8800 GTS G92 have higher average overclocks than the really cheap 8800 GT cards that aren't "factory" overclocked.

Ahh ok. I was thinking that if the number of shaders is all that differs, then it would seem that SLI is only a BIOS fix away between the two.

 

[nZone]

There are rebates for GTX 260 (old version) to clear out inventory for the core 216. No rebate for the new core 216. However, there are also rebates for the current GTX 280. If there is any indication, like GTX 260, there is going to be a minor update to GTX 280 coming soon. Probably sooner than Oct. 22. That's my guess.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

But what will the 55nm die shrink bring exactly?

I'm personally hoping for dramatically reduced thermals and power consumption and at least a slight bump in speed at the same time.

The Zotac board can do 700 MHz on 65 nm so 800 should be quite doable on 55 nm.

 

[taltamir]

and a price decrease too

 

[rjc]

Originally posted by: nZone
There are rebates for GTX 260 (old version) to clear out inventory for the core 216. No rebate for the new core 216. However, there are also rebates for the current GTX 280. If there is any indication, like GTX 260, there is going to be a minor update to GTX 280 coming soon. Probably sooner than Oct. 22. That's my guess.

Wouldnt it be strange though to release a 55nm 280 but leave the 260 at the 65nm process?

Are you saying they will tweak the 280 somehow? maybe some more clock or enable some hidden shaders or something.

I guess can hope for 55nm soon for that chip, but there might be other (sadly) less positive reasons for the GTX280 rebates like perhaps it isnt selling so well, or that the 4850x2 is going to be priced agressively against it soon.

I would have thought nvidia would be concentrating on getting the 55nm G92 and other higher selling lines going on smaller process first. I remember when the GT200 was released they said it wasnt going to be 55nm till next year, they have obviously brought that forward a bit, but i think it arriving within the next few weeks would be close to magic.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: rjc

Originally posted by: nZone
There are rebates for GTX 260 (old version) to clear out inventory for the core 216. No rebate for the new core 216. However, there are also rebates for the current GTX 280. If there is any indication, like GTX 260, there is going to be a minor update to GTX 280 coming soon. Probably sooner than Oct. 22. That's my guess.

Wouldnt it be strange though to release a 55nm 280 but leave the 260 at the 65nm process?

Are you saying they will tweak the 280 somehow? maybe some more clock or enable some hidden shaders or something.

I guess can hope for 55nm soon for that chip, but there might be other (sadly) less positive reasons for the GTX280 rebates like perhaps it isnt selling so well, or that the 4850x2 is going to be priced agressively against it soon.

I would have thought nvidia would be concentrating on getting the 55nm G92 and other higher selling lines going on smaller process first. I remember when the GT200 was released they said it wasnt going to be 55nm till next year, they have obviously brought that forward a bit, but i think it arriving within the next few weeks would be close to magic.

they are all going to 55

Nvidia released the new GT260 to compete with the 4870/1GB and to get rid of all the 65nm stock

personally, i expect a few refinements to the 290GTX - better thermals and thus a higher clock; 800 mhz is attainable imo
= and they always tweak the core a little to milk performance while taking advantage of the higher yield, smaller process

i am thinking it will outperform the current one by 10-15+% - to catch the X2; and maybe introduce a 'Ultra' to beat it ..
--but the old 280GTX should definitely be worth sli'ing together with the new one - in my book [since i have one now and i still can OC it further to get close to the new GTX' (stock) performance]

How can AMD aggressively price the X2 against GTX280?
- more importantly "why" as it is the faster card

$550 is a lot to pay for that beast
- but if you want the fastest, you are over AMD's price barrel - i got lucky; i got mine for $469 on sale

 

[rjc]

Originally posted by: apoppin
they are all going to 55

Nvidia released the new GT260 to compete with the 4870/1GB and to get rid of all the 65nm stock

Yeah sure, but the stories are cause of stock level, issues with TSMC and product lines competing for 55nm capacity(ie G92 and G96) they are not going to get there before christmas. In the conference call the said by the end of Q4 which might mean in their financial year which it think finishes in january 2009.

How can AMD aggressively price the X2 against GTX280?
- more importantly "why" as it is the faster card

$550 is a lot to pay for that beast

Er the 4850x2 which is supposed to be released within next month or so. I think its planned to have 2gb of ddr3 and be around $400. Performance apparently when it scales is meant to be a little in excess of the 280.

Hence the current 280 rebates and the chance of a tweaked 65nm version about the time of the 4850x2 release.