54% Of Republicans Believe Obama Is A Muslim

[rudeguy]

This is some sort of awesome rhetorical ouroboros.

DSF brings up Bush, when he is told his description is wrong, you whine about people bringing up Bush.

Can you honestly say that you and other democrats don't blame nearly every problem on Bush?

Even though you should be blaming it on the evil Brits. Their tyranny is still felt centuries later!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This is some sort of awesome rhetorical ouroboros.

DSF brings up Bush, when he is told his description is wrong, you whine about people bringing up Bush.

OK, I'll play by your rules. "You're wrong." This way is much easier! Now that we've got that settled, time for lunch.

 

[fskimospy]

Can you honestly say that you and other democrats don't blame nearly every problem on Bush?

Even though you should be blaming it on the evil Brits. Their tyranny is still felt centuries later!

Yes, I can honestly say that I and other Democrats don't blame nearly every problem on Bush. What gave you such a ridiculous idea?

Hell, I remember just a month or two into Obama's presidency conservatives had already started with the "STOP BLAMING BUSH" thing. Any reasonable person should be able to see that Bush's presidency was a catastrophe and he left long-lasting damage behind him. It is entirely appropriate to note that when it applies, even if it makes conservatives feel sad that someone they supported did a lot of dumb things.

Regardless, I thought it was funny that you were complaining about how liberals always bring up Bush when he was actually brought up by the person you were trying to crack jokes about it with.

 

[rudeguy]

Yes, I can honestly say that I and other Democrats don't blame nearly every problem on Bush. What gave you such a ridiculous idea?

Hell, I remember just a month or two into Obama's presidency conservatives had already started with the "STOP BLAMING BUSH" thing. Any reasonable person should be able to see that Bush's presidency was a catastrophe and he left long-lasting damage behind him. It is entirely appropriate to note that when it applies, even if it makes conservatives feel sad that someone they supported did a lot of dumb things.

Regardless, I thought it was funny that you were complaining about how liberals always bring up Bush when he was actually brought up by the person you were trying to crack jokes about it with.

Oh really? Please point out where I did that.

 

[HomerJS]

The U.S. recession ended in 2009.

http://www.economist.com/node/15911334

The bleeding stops in 2009 and the patient is supposed to be instantly better?

It would make sense the worst recession since the depression would take the longest to recover from.

But why bring common sense into it?

 

[VRAMdemon]

In a follow-up poll, 75% of Republicans think that Obama’s Muslimisms can be flushed out with salt water and baking soda. Hell...If Obama hasn’t orchestrated the Islamic Caliphate in six years, how are we supposed to believe he’ll get it done in the next two?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The bleeding stops in 2009 and the patient is supposed to be instantly better?

It would make sense the worst recession since the depression would take the longest to recover from.

But why bring common sense into it?

I didn't say that the patient is instantly better after a recession, anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that recoveries take time. The recession ended in 2009, it's 2015 now and we still haven't fully recovered. This is an unusually weak recovery and more than a few are now saying that Obama's policies have actually prolonged the recovery.

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-recession...a-economic-recovery-plan-has-faltered-1155211

 

[dank69]

I didn't say that the patient is instantly better after a recession, anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that recoveries take time. The recession ended in 2009, it's 2015 now and we still haven't fully recovered. This is an unusually weak recovery and more than a few are now saying that Obama's policies have actually prolonged the recovery.

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-recession...a-economic-recovery-plan-has-faltered-1155211

I'd take whatever David Rosenberg says with a grain of salt:

Aug. 22 2011(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy is “one giant soft patch” on the verge of a recession, economist David Rosenberg of Gluskin Sheff & Associates Inc. in Toronto, said today.

In a radio interview with Tom Keene on “Bloomberg Surveillance,” Rosenberg said the economy is in a “classic pre-recession pattern” and that “we are on the precipice of the economy contracting between now and the winter.”

...

In an interview on Aug. 5, Rosenberg put the odds of a recession at 99 percent. ...

 

[fskimospy]

I didn't say that the patient is instantly better after a recession, anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that recoveries take time. The recession ended in 2009, it's 2015 now and we still haven't fully recovered. This is an unusually weak recovery and more than a few are now saying that Obama's policies have actually prolonged the recovery.

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-recession...a-economic-recovery-plan-has-faltered-1155211

Of course actual policy research into it instead of op-eds says the opposite, that his policies greatly improved our economic performance. (and of course we have Europe to look at for the counterfactual)

1. I'm not sure if you noticed but by "are now saying" you are referencing a two year old article.

2. It's ironic that it points to slow US GDP growth as a sign that things were bad considering since it was written the US has grown at an average of over 3% annually, which is quite good. (they wouldn't have had 1st quarter GDP numbers for 2013 yet)

3. The only substantiated part of the article cites an additional $14 billion net cost for regulations under Obama and cites someone from the Heritage foundation as to why it's so bad. $14 billion is a rounding error.

I know I say this a lot, but you need to evaluate your sources better. Two year old articles?

 

[QuantumPion]

Just curious, what percentage of Democrats believed Romney wanted to ban contraceptives?

 

[boomerang]

Just curious, what percentage of Democrats believed Romney wanted to ban contraceptives?

:thumbsup:

 

[dank69]

Just curious, what percentage of Democrats believed Romney wanted to ban contraceptives?

Which Romney? The pro-choice Romney or the pro-life one?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Of course actual policy research into it instead of op-eds says the opposite, that his policies greatly improved our economic performance. (and of course we have Europe to look at for the counterfactual)

1. I'm not sure if you noticed but by "are now saying" you are referencing a two year old article.

2. It's ironic that it points to slow US GDP growth as a sign that things were bad considering since it was written the US has grown at an average of over 3% annually, which is quite good. (they wouldn't have had 1st quarter GDP numbers for 2013 yet)

3. The only substantiated part of the article cites an additional $14 billion net cost for regulations under Obama and cites someone from the Heritage foundation as to why it's so bad. $14 billion is a rounding error.

I know I say this a lot, but you need to evaluate your sources better. Two year old articles?

Many say that Obama's extensions of unemployment benefits prolonged the recovery and that unemployment significantly improved when Republicans won the battle to not extend these benefits.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...ks-to-a-republican-policy-that-obama-opposed/

Unemployment Is Dropping, Thanks To A Republican Policy That Obama Opposed

In January, in his annual State of the Union address, President Obama bragged that “our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999.” It’s great news, to be sure. But according to a new paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research, the recent improvement in the labor market may be due to a policy change that Obama adamantly opposed: ending extended unemployment benefits.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w20884

The Impact of Unemployment Benefit Extensions on Employment: The 2014 Employment Miracle?
We measure the effect of unemployment benefit duration on employment. We exploit the variation induced by the decision of Congress in December 2013 not to reauthorize the unprecedented benefit extensions introduced during the Great Recession. Federal benefit extensions that ranged from 0 to 47 weeks across U.S. states at the beginning of December 2013 were abruptly cut to zero. To achieve identification we use the fact that this policy change was exogenous to cross-sectional differences across U.S. states and we exploit a policy discontinuity at state borders. We find that a 1% drop in benefit duration leads to a statistically significant increase of employment by 0.0161 log points. In levels, 1.8 million additional jobs were created in 2014 due to the benefit cut. Almost 1 million of these jobs were filled by workers from out of the labor force who would not have participated in the labor market had benefit extensions been reauthorized.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Which Romney? The pro-choice Romney or the pro-life one?

:thumbsup:

 

[Newell Steamer]

Just curious, what percentage of Democrats believed Romney wanted to ban contraceptives?

He contradicted himself.

His comments are here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pxyzAjk72U

His words;

“George, this is an unusual topic that you’re raising. Do states have the right to ban contraception? I can’t imagine a state banning contraception. I can’t imagine circumstances where a state would want to do so.”

Yes you can, because you yourself did so;

But as governor of Massachusetts in 2005, Romney took a harder line on contraception, vetoing a widely supported bill that would make the morning-after pill available over the counter in that state and require hospitals to offer emergency contraception to rape victims.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...eption-veto-morning-after-pill_n_1194422.html

So yes, Romney believes AND has taken steps to ban contraceptives. His comments in that video are nothing but lip service - which he was awful at and thusly cut off from Koch Cash for 2016.

 

[rudeguy]

He contradicted himself.

His comments are here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pxyzAjk72U

His words;


Yes you can, because you yourself did so;


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...eption-veto-morning-after-pill_n_1194422.html

So yes, Romney believes AND has taken steps to ban contraceptives. His comments in that video are nothing but lip service - which he was awful at thusly cut off from Koch Cash for 2016.

You know what....

Thanks for that post. I'm being totally serious. Until just now I had always considered contraception a way of preventing pregnancy and the morning after pill a way of ending a pregnancy. So if you had asked me if I favored banning contraception I would say hell no, but if you asked if I was in favor of banning the morning after pill I would have said I was unsure.

I really did not consider the morning after pill a form of contraception. Now I do. Thanks!

 

[Newell Steamer]

You know what....

Thanks for that post. I'm being totally serious. Until just now I had always considered contraception a way of preventing pregnancy and the morning after pill a way of ending a pregnancy. So if you had asked me if I favored banning contraception I would say hell no, but if you asked if I was in favor of banning the morning after pill I would have said I was unsure.

I really did not consider the morning after pill a form of contraception. Now I do. Thanks!

Here you go meathead edit: apologies rudeguy, I didn't realize you were being serious: http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/morning-after-pill/basics/definition/prc-20012891

The morning-after pill is a type of emergency birth control (contraception). The purpose of emergency contraception is to prevent pregnancy after a woman has had unprotected sex.

 

[mikeymikec]

nvm

 

[rudeguy]

Here you go meathead: http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/morning-after-pill/basics/definition/prc-20012891

Yea that's the link I found when I googled trying to prove you wrong that the morning after pill isn't contraception

 

[Newell Steamer]

Yea that's the link I found when I googled trying to prove you wrong that the morning after pill isn't contraception

My bad.

I thought your post was passive-aggressive sarcasm.

Apologies on the meathead comment,.. for this post anyway.

:awe:

 

[fskimospy]

Many say that Obama's extensions of unemployment benefits prolonged the recovery and that unemployment significantly improved when Republicans won the battle to not extend these benefits.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...ks-to-a-republican-policy-that-obama-opposed/

Oh good, another op-ed from someone who works for an ultra right wing think tank and who isn't even an economist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avik_Roy

Gotta evaluate those sources.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w20884

This is a much better source as it is at least an academic, peer reviewed paper. Saying that 'many' hold this opinion however, would be incorrect. It is a substantial outlier from the academic literature on the effects of unemployment, the vast majority of which shows very different results. (not to mention some questionable decisions on the part of the authors here)

The overwhelming weight of the academic literature on different government policies since the recession began shows the US significantly outperforming other developed countries, and the isolated effects show that Obama's policies in the aggregate have considerably helped US recovery.

 

[rudeguy]

My bad.

I thought your post was passive-aggressive sarcasm.

Apologies on the meathead comment,.. for this post anyway.

:awe:

lol...I figured it would be unexpected so I tried to warn you.

I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong and I like it when I learn something new. I really did appreciate the post. I had never thought to consider the morning after pill contraception. It had never crossed my mind.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Just curious, what percentage of Democrats believed Romney wanted to ban contraceptives?

Probably about the same number of Democrats who still think Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.

 

[dank69]

Probably about the same number of Democrats who still think Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.

So 14%?

 

[HomerJS]

Just curious, what percentage of Democrats believed Romney wanted to ban contraceptives?

Romney was in favor of personhood which would ban the most popular form of birth control.