52C on a Socket A Athlon XP 3200+, Hot or OK?

[mikeford]

This thread got messed up, consolidating to this other one please, http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1947729&enterthread=y

I haven't done anything to make it hot, just surfing, setting in bios setup watching health, and it slowly climbs to 52C and sits there. Using the stock AMD fan that came with last Sempron 2600+.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Too hot for me. I have auto shutdown to kick in at 50C.

 

[Maximilian]

Clean the HSF.

 

[mikeford]

I did blow it out, my guess is that its either too slow (3400 rpm fan) or too small, it did ship with a 2600+ Sempron which ran around 37 IIRC.

 

[dennilfloss]

It's a bit on the hot side for a Barton.

 

[myocardia]

Quit being cheap, man! Any of these heatsinks will keep you cool as a cucumber, for ~$10: link. I'd personally go with the WhisperRock II, and not just because of the price. It'll handle a Barton at up to 2.4 Ghz.

 

[mikeford]

I've looked for the switch to turn off the cheap mode, but haven't found it yet.

More impatient than cheap right now, bought a 9800 pro last week, got motivated to upgrade the Sempron 2600+ about Thursday, found NOTHING online. Picked up the XP 3200+ Saturday morning at a swapmeet, got in in that night with old HSF, Got it to hit 3200+ with lower FSB Sunday noon, and Fry's closed 2 hours ago, BEFORE anybody solidly told me the HSF needed an upgrade.

BTW 52C seems right in line with many other users of this board, http://www.ocworkbench.com/ocwb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/35/3606.html but no activity really since 2004 and the last bios update, lack of voltage adjustment made everybody move on. Some had luck with fan on NorthBridge chip, memory was fussy for many.

Monday I see what I can find locally for a better fan.

 

[myocardia]

mike, according to that thread you linked me to, near the bottom of page 5, it was discovered that ~190 Mhz fsb was as high as that board will run in dual-channel mode. But, it would run @200 fsb board/200 mhz RAM, in single-channel mode. That's the breaks, when using a free motherboard, I guess.

 

[Ayah]

It's on the hot side but it's okay.

 

[mikeford]

I'm not going to bonk myself over the head to get the last 10%, it feels REALLY about the same most of the time running 1100 mhz (yup got that a few times again) or 2100 mhz. I am sure in a LOT of other stuff like games I will really feel it, plus I am using the 9800 AIW to do some PVR and encoding runs off the cpu.

My junk pile is both wide and deep, I am sure I have a fan someplace that I can screw right onto the northbridge heatsink (shows on IR as 113F vs 93F for cpu heatsink), something off an old video card etc.

This dual/single thing seems like the board just does it if it finds two sticks? Isn't it going to faster with dual at 190 vs single at 200?

My Ram is CL3.0 and when I did a lookup on Kingstons site for the N2U400A it was showing CL2.5.

Thanks for the help, adventure continues tomorrow.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: myocardia
Quit being cheap, man! Any of these heatsinks will keep you cool as a cucumber, for ~$10: link. I'd personally go with the WhisperRock II, and not just because of the price. It'll handle a Barton at up to 2.4 Ghz.

Yup, got the WhisperRock II earlier this year for my finacee's rig, her Barton 2500+ running at 2.1 no problem until she went Athlon 64.

 

[Steve]

I was using my Athlon XP 3200+ in my HTPC and it would slowly climb to 60^C when I had the auto-shutdown kick in. I moved it over to my desktop and it idles at 38, loads at 40something. This is with a Thermaltake Silent Boost.

 

[sandorski]

meh, not hot. It'll run forever(as long as you'll ever need it) at that temp.

 

[mikeford]

What was the problem on the HTPC, lack of case fans, or a different HSF on the cpu?

 

[Steve]

In the HTPC, not real sure, but I would guess airflow in general.

 

[Mjvyxyn]

52*C isn't "too hot" for a DT barton although cooler is better. The kill temp for these chips is arround 80*-90*C with errors due to heat usually starting at 55*C - 60*C.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: MJVyxyn
52*C isn't "too hot" for a DT barton although cooler is better. The kill temp for these chips is arround 80*-90*C with errors due to heat usually starting at 55*C - 60*C.

You're exactly right, which is why idling in the low 50's doesn't work. The second you put the cpu under some type of load, it will be over 55°C. BTW, two of the three Skt A processors I owned would reboot at 54°C, in two different motherboards.

Originally posted by: mikeford
Isn't it going to faster with dual at 190 vs single at 200?

No, they will be the same speed. With Skt A, you only lose 5% perfomance by not being in dual-channel. Since 190 is 95% as fast as 200, you end up with a draw.

 

[sandorski]

meh, mine(2800) hit 65c for weeks on end in the summer, never a problem.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: sandorski
meh, mine(2800) hit 65c for weeks on end in the summer, never a problem.

Yeah, it definitely matters which motherboard the processor is on. If it reads temps low, then idling in the low 50's is bad. If it reads them high, then idling in the low 50's should be just fine. Both of the motherboards that I was talking about read lower, with the same processor and heatsink, than some other motherboards did.

Someone here actually once said that the temp that your motherboard reports for your processor only makes a difference on your system, comparing one heatsink to another. That pretty much goes double, since even just changing BIOS's can change idle temp by 10°C or more, with the same processor, same heatsink, same case, etc. So, as long as your processor is cool enough to be stable, temps don't matter much.

 

[chubbyfatazn]

My 2500 OCed to 3200 specs runs at 48 load with the stock HSF... but I wouldn't trek much into the 50C territory, because the 2500 would freeze up the whole computer repeatedly when it reached up to around 60C (gradual increases) until I cleaned off the thermal paste that had been there for about a year, replaced it, and reseated the HSF. Smooth flying after that with 35 idle and 48 max load. Of course I put a Thermaltake fan from a spare Volcano 6 cooler I found in a box upstairs.

And, as for the "cool enough to be stable" thing, I disagree a bit. Heat kills over time

It's why I freaked out when I had three sensors reporting 61 idle and 75 load.

 

[mikeford]

I am flip flopping on which HSF to get, Whisperrock II while generally well reviewed looks like the bare min for a 3200+ barton, but it isn't clear if the Whisperrock IV or V with the copper insert is much better. Either are about $13 shipped, and I am also still flailing around trying to find one local that I could just pick up while I am out tomorrow and not wait a few days for shipping. OTOH newegg is next day via ground to me.

Hah, I get myself tuned for the Whisperrock V, wanting soon, Newegg is OOS til 11/6.

 

[myocardia]

You'll definitely want one with a copper insert, at least, like the WhisperRock II used to be. Either the IV or the V will work fine, as long as you don't plan on turning your case fans off.

edit: This one's very nice, for it's price, too: Masscool all copper.

 

[mikeford]

I don't even have the side panels on right now, but plan to, once I find them.

 

[myocardia]

I know that feeling. I have a memory, if only I could remember where I put it.

 

[mikeford]

I looked at the all copper, and if you go through many reviews its kinda weak. Copper fins are epoxied to base, so its not that great of a cooler, froogle had it cheap too. So many of these reviews are two years old, people either overclocking, or running much slower cpu.

WhisperRock V was really ringing my bell, but nothing that is going to ship very soon to me.

Seems odd that there is very little model to model consistency, whisperRock II and V very nice, other MassCooler seem like real dogs. I had 5F287B1L3GL Ultra cooler in my cart just short of confirm, decided to check a few reviews to be sure (looks like one of the nice models), but its a "doesn't cool well model".