50mm F1.8 vs 50mm F1.4

Lazarus52980

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Being a newb to photography, my photography friends keep telling me I need to have a "fast 50" lens. Thus, in my investigation of this, I have found that a new Nikon 50mm F1.8G runs around $200 to $220, but a Nikon 50mm F1.4 runs around $450. That seems a HUGE price difference for what (to an amateur) seems like a very small difference in total aperture.

Is the difference worth it?

If it matters, I guess I am looking for versatility. I mostly want to take pictures of my kids (and maybe some wildlife) but that means some sporting stuff outdoors, some indoor shots (where I have bad lighting in my home) some sporting stuff, and other random things if the usage of the lens matters

Part of me even wonders if I would be WORSE off with the 1.4, since it might be hard to get everything I want in focus...

Help please!!
 

randomrogue

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Get the 1.8. Problem solved.

There are about 100 articles online explaining the difference but for you the 1.8 is the one to get. The 1.4 isn't even that sharp at 1.4 and I'll be honest you would only shoot at 1.4 if you were desperate or doing some very specific work. I used one for wedding photography just for the extra low light sensitivity but it's tough to get any keepers with that narrow a focus range in low light with people moving.
 

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F1.8 is the way to go. I have had Canon FD lenses at f1.4 and f1.8 and I rarely shoot at f1.8, because 99% of the time I shoot at f2 or greater. However f1.4 will help with focusing in low light condition, specialy with manual focusing.
 
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randomrogue

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Yeah 2.0 is as low as I go and I try to keep it at 2.8. Where 1.8 comes in handy is if you're doing a nightscape/astrophotography on a tripod. Even then I use my wide angle lens at 16mm and F2.8.
 

Lazarus52980

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I looked and was not able to find a 50mm at larger than 1.8... Do they make a 2.8, or do I need to buy a telephoto lens to get 2.8? (Not that I don't want to, but the $$ is preventing it so far).
 

randomrogue

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There's no 50mm like that. At $200 the F1.8 is as good and cheap as it gets. Lenses like 300mm though and fast ultra wide angle are F2.8.
 

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I have the 50mm 1.8; have wanted the 1.4 but frugality stops me from self-indulgence. I have heard tell that prime lenses are sharpest at a stop or two higher than their lowest numbers (ie largest aperture). Which means a 1.4 when used at 1.8 or 2 would be sharper than a 1.8 used at 1.8 or 2. So it does make some sense to get it, if your budget allows profligacy.

Btw, you should see a lot of 50mm 1.8 sold on Craigslist for less than $100, or refurbished on Adorama. I have one I could sell at that price point.

The reason being, and as full disclosure - I recommend you look beyond the 50mm, to the Nikon 35mm 1.8, newly introduced a couple of years ago. I love the pictures it throws up on my D90 (and did so on the earlier D40). A superior lens at sub-$200.
 
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Lazarus52980

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I have the 50mm 1.8; have wanted the 1.4 but frugality stops me from self-indulgence. I have heard tell that prime lenses are sharpest at a stop or two higher than their lowest numbers (ie largest aperture). Which means a 1.4 when used at 1.8 or 2 would be sharper than a 1.8 used at 1.8 or 2. So it does make some sense to get it, if your budget allows profligacy.

Btw, you should see a lot of 50mm 1.8 sold on Craigslist for less than $100, or refurbished on Adorama. I have one I could sell at that price point.

The reason being, and as full disclosure - I recommend you look beyond the 50mm, to the Nikon 35mm 1.8, newly introduced a couple of years ago. I love the pictures it throws up on my D90 (and did so on the earlier D40). A superior lens at sub-$200.

I have been watching Craigslist, but I have not been able to find anything since I need to have the "G" version of the lens (I purchased a D5200 that does not have a motor to focus the "D" versions or earlier). I will keep watching, but I have a feeling I will have to purchase one new. (That said, if you have a "G" version for sale at the price point, send me a PM ;) )

I am not adverse to purchasing a 35mm in place of the 50, but why would I want to do that?
 
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I have the 50mm 1.8; have wanted the 1.4 but frugality stops me from self-indulgence. I have heard tell that prime lenses are sharpest at a stop or two higher than their lowest numbers (ie largest aperture). Which means a 1.4 when used at 1.8 or 2 would be sharper than a 1.8 used at 1.8 or 2. So it does make some sense to get it, if your budget allows profligacy.

Btw, you should see a lot of 50mm 1.8 sold on Craigslist for less than $100, or refurbished on Adorama. I have one I could sell at that price point.

The reason being, and as full disclosure - I recommend you look beyond the 50mm, to the Nikon 35mm 1.8, newly introduced a couple of years ago. I love the pictures it throws up on my D90 (and did so on the earlier D40). A superior lens at sub-$200.

Of course, the 35mm f/1.8 is DX only.

I don't think you'll see the 50mm f/1.8G for sale for less $100, even used - that will be the old D lens, which is optically inferior to the newer G version (which comes in at around $200).
 
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Syborg1211

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I'm guessing you got the kit lens with D5200. Are you really okay with having a lens that is ONLY 50mm? Try leaving your kit lens at 50mm and see if you are happy with that focal range. I find 50mm to be much too zoomed in for my tastes on a DX camera. The 35mm is a much better fit for DX.

Also, all the stuff people say about how you need a "nifty fifty" is really talking in FX terms, so a 35mm on a DX is really as close to a nifty fifty as you can get.

Try locking your kit lens at 50mm and then 35mm and see which one fits your style better. My personal style is towards the wide end, so the 35mm is even a bit too zoomed for my liking.
 

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^^ both of these guys. I would probably go with the 35 over the 50 on a DX body. Do exactly as Syborg said, set your lens at 35mm and at 50mm and walk around and see what kinds of shots you can take at both settings.

FWIW, the f/1.4 should be better built overall. There is more of a quality difference on the Canon side of things, but I'm pretty sure that it applies to these Nikon lenses as well.

Also FWIW, I generally get fine results from my 50mm f/1.4 at f/1.4. That sens, all lenses will be better/sharper stopped down (not just because of depth of field). You can always go up in aperture numbers, using the same lens. You can set the 50mm f/1.4 aperture to be f/1.8, f/2.8, f/5.6, f/11, f/16, whatever. (Usually max is f/16 or f/32) This is called "stopping down" and it will generally result in better quality, but of course less light coming in. The f/1.4 designation on the lens simply means that f/1.4 is the largest aperture (lowest number) possible with that lens.

If you're mathematically minded: the f-value is the ratio of the focal length to the diameter of the aperture. So if you have a 50mm lens at f/2, the aperture is 25mm in diameter. If you have a 50mm lens at f/4, the aperture is 12.5mm in diameter (half of f/2). However, since the aperture is (roughly) a circle, and the amount of light coming in through the lens is related to the area of that circle, the amount of light coming in varies proportionally with the square of the diameter. So at f/4, the aperture is half the diameter of f/2, but it lets in only (1/2)^2=1/4 of the light.

In photography terms, a doubling of the amount of light is called a "stop". This can be referred to in terms of shutter speed (1/50 of a second is twice the light of 1/100 of a second, therefore 1/50s is 1 stop slower than 1/100s). So shutter speed is easy, just halve or double the number, it halves or doubles the amount of light coming into the camera. In terms of aperture, you have to multiply by the square root of 2: 1.0, 1.4, 2.0, 2.8, 4.0, 5.6, 8.0, 11, 16.

(On most cameras, the adjustment wheels give 1/3 of a stop per click: 3 clicks to go from f/2.8 to f/4.0, or 3 clicks to go from 1/50s to 1/100s, for example.)

So an f/2.0 lens lets in 2x as much light as an f/2.8 lens, and 4x as much as an f/4.0 lens, and 8x as much light as an f/5.6 lens, and 16x as much light as an f/8.0 lens. So if you shoot at f/8.0 and get a good exposure at a 1/100s shutter speed, you could have shot at f/2.0 and 1/1600s shutter speed and gotten the same exposure. Sometimes this might be necessary for, say, sports or racecars or hummingbirds; where your subject is moving so fast that you have to have a very fast shutter speed in order to keep from having motion blur in your photo.

The difference between f/1.4 and f/1.8 is roughly 2/3rds of a stop. So, take a low-light situation: an f/1.8 lens will let you shoot at 1/20 second exposure, while the f/1.4 will let you shoot at 1/30 second exposure. This could make the difference between a blurry shot and a good shot; or it might not.

In all, I would say probably go with the cheaper lens (although AFAIK the 35mm f/1.8 is priced equally with the 50mm f/1.8G, in which case I recommend the 35mm over the 50mm). You can always upgrade later, and you can always sell your f/1.8 to somebody for $150.
 

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If you were shooting concerts in dark venues or something like that, I'd suggest splurging on the 1.4. Other than that, go with the 35 f1.8 on a DX body; much more fun to use on that crop sensor. Once I picked up that lens, my 50 f1.8 stayed in my bag (though I did use it as my fast telephoto for a benefit concert).
 

randomrogue

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I walked around Hong Kong at 35mm and 50mm when I was trying to make my choice. On a DX camera a 50mm is not very useful. Try each focal length for a day and you will quickly understand. On DX 35mm is a drop too tight for my taste. On FX 50mm is a drop too tight. 35mm on FX is ideal. For DX though 35mm is your best bang for the buck and it was my walk around.
 

Anteaus

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I own the 50mm 1.4 and I have never regretted it. That said, the 1.8 is still an amazing lens and will get you to the same place for much less. Pushing aside the additional light, where the 1.4 comes into its own is with DOF at < f/1.8, especially on a FX camera. It is razor then and even in low light I need to close it down a bit so that I get the nose with the eyes :D.

For the average photo in decent light you're not shooting with apertures that large anyway so its moot. If you have the money, get the 50mm 1.4 and don't look back because its a great lens for both FX and DX bodies. If like most people you have more important things to do with your money you can get the 1.8G and feel perfectly confident that you can do everything the 1.4G do and look great doing it albeit, with a tiny bit less versatility in DOF.

I could argue that the IQ of the 1.4G is a tiny bit better, but truthfully its a complete wash in real world terms. No one could probably tell the difference between the two at f/2. Myself in daylight I'm sitting between f/5.6 and f/10 so again its a complete non-issue for image quality. At night I usually sit around f/2 and push up the ISO, otherwise DOF starts to being an issue. To be fair I use FX and DOF is smaller than DX with equivalent focal lengths so a DX user can probably get away with bit wider aperture at maintain similar DOF.
 
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It's good for people posing at 10 feet away. And that is it.

If you think you are going to take pictures of people close up, it won't work. Think about being in a typical room 10'x10' where you want the low f stop for low light. You can not get many people in the photo.

The 50 mm are nice only to see what a prime can do due to their price. To be frank, I never use it.

Take your kit lens and put it at 50mm and see how useful it is. Imagine not being able to change the setting.
 

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The Nikon 50/1.8G is an exceptional value.
 
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To add, I've thought about 18mm primes and even things like 12-24 mm lenses. Actually, my next purchase would not be a prime. It would be a 10-20 or something close to that range. If I did go prime, I'd want a sub 20mm prime.
 

biostud

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I've been using the 35mm f/1.8 and I would not choose the 50 mm. The 35 mm is good for walking around just taking pictures. My next lens will probably be the 85 mm f1.8 for portraits, and then maybe a wide angle. (when nothing interesting is going on in the computer development, it's good to have a new hobby) ;)
 

Lazarus52980

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For the record, I ended up purchasing the 35mm 1.8G from Amazon for $200. Takes great photos, and I am really happy with it. :)

Thank you all for the great advice that lead me to that purchase.