50000 BitTorrent users being sued for downloading movies

[guyver01]

Alright, what about access to email? Suppose Joe Jackass creates a fake google account and emails threatening messages to people, or posts illegal content to a message board while connected to the free wifi? Still think the coffee shop should be liable?

i believe it's already been determined that the sender of email isn't responsible for the content.

Similar to how, if you send a threatening letter, the Post Office isn't held liable.

 

[guyver01]

I'm just wondering how the fuck it became acceptable in this country to just blame the nearest convenient target instead of the responsible party in the pursuit of extorting $$$.

I'm wonder when the fuck PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY went out the window.

Look how many morons argue that Torrenting is their "right"
Do you argue that stealing from a bank is your "right" ?

 

[Arkaign]

I'm wonder when the fuck PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY went out the window.

Look how many morons argue that Torrenting is their "right"
Do you argue that stealing from a bank is your "right" ?

Don't strawman it, personal responsibility =! being able to sue a business just because a pirate was on his network. I have no opinion pro/con on torrent really, it's just a tech that's very often abused.

If you can prove 100% without a shadow of a doubt that someone is definitively breaking the law or infringing copyrighted materials, hell yeah give em some justice.

It's this willy-nilly lazy dragnet approach and scooping people into the scenario that shouldn't be there. It's why the RIAA failed so utterly with the same approach. It's why the criminal courts won't touch this stuff with a 10 foot pole.

Being lawsuit happy and indiscriminate has nothing to do with personal responsibility. It's profiteering and predatory behaviour to the max.

 

[guyver01]

Don't strawman it

you took it their first.

how you made the leap from stealing movies to sending emails, i'll never know.

 

[shortylickens]

Never heard of Hurt Locker, and dont give a shit about The Expendables.

 

[Arkaign]

you took it their first.

how you made the leap from stealing movies to sending emails, i'll never know.

You made the ridiculous claim that a free wifi provider is somehow liable for the actions of the users that come in, which is ludicrous because :

(1)- Even with blocked ports/sites, it's cake to get around such restrictions, similar to how DRM poses no problem to pirate groups.

and especially :

(2)- Where's the logic in punishing everyone BUT the guilty party?

Following the 'oh they had an IP address that was used in the crime' logic, you could bring all kinds of things into it, such as emails, web postings, etc.

I'll tell you what the logic is. It's easy $$$ for the predators who support this kind of irresponsible bullshit. Who does this help? It just wastes the court's time and fattens the wallets of lawyers.

 

[sactoking]

Never heard of Hurt Locker, and dont give a shit about The Expendables.

It won 'Best Picture' a few years back. Admittedly, it's probably the worst/least successful 'Best Picture' winner of all time, but it's the type of movie that own-fart-smelling Hollywood types love to laud over box-office successes.

 

[Ns1]

Good old USA, where it's litigation > common sense.

Common sense would dictate people deserve to get paid for their work.

 

[PottedMeat]

It won 'Best Picture' a few years back. Admittedly, it's probably the worst/least successful 'Best Picture' winner of all time, but it's the type of movie that own-fart-smelling Hollywood types love to laud over box-office successes.

is it worse than Crash? i really hated that movie


haven't seen the expendables

 

[Rudee]

Expendables was so bad, I got up and left half way into the movie. And I was watching it in a plane!

 

[Ns1]

is it worse than Crash? i really hated that movie

/yourself

 

[Cheesetogo]

It won 'Best Picture' a few years back. Admittedly, it's probably the worst/least successful 'Best Picture' winner of all time, but it's the type of movie that own-fart-smelling Hollywood types love to laud over box-office successes.

IMO, it was just a decent movie that happened to win best picture somehow. I think so many people talk shit about it because they were expecting more from something that won best picture.

 

[sdifox]

IMO, it was just a decent movie that happened to win best picture somehow. I think so many people talk shit about it because they were expecting more from something that won best picture.

It beat Avatar because the director is the ex of Cameron :biggrin:

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Heard that the Hurt Locker wasn't good. Haven't watched it.

Did see The Expendables in the cinema though, mildly entertaining...

 

[Arkaign]

It beat Avatar because the director is the ex of Cameron :biggrin:

It also beat Avatar because Avatar was, well .. Avatar. A fun but brainless and overlong f/x extravaganza without much in the way of character depth and a deliberate lack of originality. But yeah, that was an added dagger lol

It honestly was a pretty weak year for films.

 

[Krynj]

Heard that the Hurt Locker wasn't good. Haven't watched it.

Did see The Expendables in the cinema though, mildly entertaining...

I haven't seen The Expendables yet, but if it was even mildly entertaining, it instantly beats out Hurt Locker.

 

[sactoking]

The Hurt Locker:

Only movie to ever win 'Best Picture' with a female director
Second movie ever to win 'Best Picture' after being a film festival pickup
Lowest-grossing movie to win 'Best Picture' since 1955

It was obviously Hollywood fart-smellers being smug about themselves. They could take an "unknown" film fest pic by a woman director and name it 'Best Picture', congratulate themselves on breaking new ground with women directors, and look down their noses at "commoners" for the low box-office showing as being ignorant of true art.

 

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

Sub to Netflix, copy the movies you get and no one has to know anything.

God, Americans can be so fucking lazy.

I accidentally sent back a couple of my rips on accident a few times. They sent them right back with no issue. :ninja:

 

[Cheesetogo]

The Hurt Locker:

Only movie to ever win 'Best Picture' with a female director
Second movie ever to win 'Best Picture' after being a film festival pickup
Lowest-grossing movie to win 'Best Picture' since 1955

It was obviously Hollywood fart-smellers being smug about themselves. They could take an "unknown" film fest pic by a woman director and name it 'Best Picture', congratulate themselves on breaking new ground with women directors, and look down their noses at "commoners" for the low box-office showing as being ignorant of true art.

To be fair, 2009 really did not have any mainstream movies worthy of Best Picture.

 

[Wyndru]

You don't upload the content on usenet, therefore you aren't distributing pirated content. Torrents and P2P file sharing works on the basis of you uploading what you download.

Oh if uploading is the only way you get caught, then I guess I'm ok with IRC too, since it's just dcc receiving from servers, I never send anything.

I always thought that even on newsgroup and IRC servers they could set up file servers, wait until you download successfully and then snag you because they had your IP logged as dling the file.

 

[Soundmanred]

I accidentally sent back a couple of my rips on accident a few times. They sent them right back with no issue. :ninja:

This does not surprise me. (The first part, not the second.)

 

[sactoking]

To be fair, 2009 really did not have any mainstream movies worthy of Best Picture.

UP?

 

[0roo0roo]

I'm wonder when the fuck PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY went out the window.

Look how many morons argue that Torrenting is their "right"
Do you argue that stealing from a bank is your "right" ?

doesn't matter, its like if your kid made a copy of their cd and gave it to their friend, and the music company came around and tried to black mail you for 250k, but would nicely let you off with 1.5k, it would be simply outrageous behavior. One doesnt' justify the other, but one is so out o fthe bounds of normal behavior that it should be stopped.

 

[irishScott]

And sadly half of them are probably 13 year old noobs who don't even know how to proxy their connection to the tracker to avoid such things. If the corrupted node is a peer then all they can prove is they sent you/received part of the file, not that you downloaded/distributed the whole thing, nullifying the case. In the meantime as far as the tracker is concerned someone in Europe just finished downloading something. Simple.

Or just pay $1 and copy to securely pirate from a rental service.