5 Ways America Is Already Socialist

[Indus]

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zq-2cKENOc



So why are we so scared of socialism? I don't get it why socialism is so scary to some people

 

[alcoholbob]

Since you are completely fearless, why not move to Venezuela?

 

[Sonikku]

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zq-2cKENOc



So why are we so scared of socialism? I don't get it why socialism is so scary to some people

It's because with socialism the governments going to run out of other people's money. Just look at Germany... could collapse any day now. I should probably start a death watch. :hmm:

 

[Indus]

It's because with socialism the governments going to run out of other people's money. Just look at Germany... could collapse any day now. I should probably start a death watch. :hmm:

I disagree Sonikku. The way I see it, Germany has greatly benefited from the Euro currency and will continue to benefit from it as long as it stays in place as it greatly helped boost German exports.

 

[ivwshane]

I disagree Sonikku. The way I see it, Germany has greatly benefited from the Euro currency and will continue to benefit from it as long as it stays in place as it greatly helped boost German exports.

You missed her sarcasm

 

[Sulaco]

I disagree Sonikku. The way I see it, Germany has greatly benefited from the Euro currency and will continue to benefit from it as long as it stays in place as it greatly helped boost German exports.

...you're pretty dense, aren't you?

 

[Newell Steamer]

The video is spot on.

Especially the part where socialism is a-OK with corporate welfare and downright EVIL with helping the poor.

The supposed anti-big government crew loses it's shit over school lunches, but is perfectly OK with $68 billion doled out to corporations that already have multibillion dollar "talent" leading the companies.

If your success is due to bailouts, filing for bankruptcy and corporate welfare, then it's frankly worse than waiting in line for soup and food stamps.

Yet, the immediate cry is to yank out of the hands of hungry school children a sandwich worth .50 cents, than removing the tax credit / subsidy of hundreds of thousands of dollars for a corporation that pays ten of millions of dollars to some bloated corporate pig to 'lead'.

This country's conservative priorities are screwed up - it is all about helping those that are already better off, for the purposes of punishing those who are truly in need.

 

[Indus]

You missed her sarcasm

Ah, quite possibly. Hard to determine what is sarcasm/ satire sometimes unless clearly indicated.

 

[ivwshane]

Ah, quite possibly. Hard to determine what is sarcasm/ satire sometimes unless clearly indicated.

On this forum it can be really hard to spot. Sonikku loves her sarcasm though.

 

[MongGrel]

On this forum it can be really hard to spot. Sonikku loves her sarcasm though.

:thumbsup:

Those silly Germans.

 

[cubby1223]

I disagree Sonikku. The way I see it, Germany has greatly benefited from the Euro currency and will continue to benefit from it as long as it stays in place as it greatly helped boost German exports.

Of course Germany has greatly benefited from the Euro currency.

But the dark and not-so-secret secret is the countries across Europe's Southern coast have suffered because of the Euro. And the two are absolutely directly connected.

Sonikku went for sarcasm, but it's actually not too far off from the truth. When Germany is no longer able to thrive off of the worsening conditions in Southern Europe, they are going to come back down to reality once again.


Do you also realize just how lean and efficient the German government is? Versus their neighboring countries? Versus the U.S.? Also look up how Germans afford care for their elderly through exportation.

But all these points have been discussed to length on these forums. Why some continue to believe in fairy-tale socialism where everything can be perfect for everyone if we all just believe hard enough... Please, show some ability to actually understand what makes things work.

 

[KB]

The girl in the video is a bit of a babe, but she has her facts all wrong.
In the video she states that the budget for the military was 589 billion and compared that to only 29 billion for social security.

According to http://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go , social security spending is 851 billion and 831 billion is for medicare. That represents nearly half the yearly 4 trillion dollar budget and that is why socialism is so scary. Baring massive tax increases like european nations have, it is unsustainable. The scariest part is that despite being half the us budget, SS barely pays a living wage and medicare is underpaying doctors, resulting in some doctors dropping accepting medicare.

 

[cubby1223]

The girl in the video is a bit of a babe, but she has her facts all wrong.
In the video she states that the budget for the military was 589 billion and compared that to only 29 billion for social security.

According to http://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go , social security spending is 851 billion and 831 billion is for medicare. That represents nearly half the yearly 4 trillion dollar budget and that is why socialism is so scary. Baring massive tax increases like european nations have, it is unsustainable. The scariest part is that despite being half the us budget, SS barely pays a living wage and medicare is underpaying doctors, resulting in some doctors dropping accepting medicare.

$29 billion was the difference between payments going out and the fica taxes earmarked for social security coming in. But yes, that argument is entirely misleading, she is making an argument based on a divided view of the government, rather than looking at the whole. I could just the same argue that according to the perspective of the SSA budgets and our fica payments, $850 billion goes toward social security payouts, and $0 goes towards military.

Also, because a lot of forum members here are ego-driven jerks (hi, guys!), many automatically dismiss any info they don't like as coming from radical-right-wing-nut-job sites. Best to cite the direct source when listing a number:
https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/basicfact.html

 

[Texashiker]

So why are we so scared of socialism? I don't get it why socialism is so scary to some people

Because people are afraid.

They have been brain washed from the time they entered the public school system that socialism is bad.

 

[cubby1223]

Because people are afraid.

They have been brain washed from the time they entered the public school system that socialism is bad.

And when those who advocate for socialism use incomplete arguments, often looking at half a situation, it doesn't make socialism appear any better. Like the example with Germany.

Present an argument that isn't dismissive of a large percentage of the situation, and I'll consider listening.

 

[mrjminer]

Fuck socialism. Society is not ready for socialism and it won't be for a very long time. The socialist policies that currently exist are largely the ones causing our demise, or the ones used to manipulate the most primitive of the masses.

If you believe the US should be socialist, you are a moron. Socialism isn't scary, unless something being such a bad idea that the result will obviously be overwhelmingly negative and not wanting that to happen is "scary."

 

[fskimospy]

Fuck socialism. Society is not ready for socialism and it won't be for a very long time. The socialist policies that currently exist are largely the ones causing our demise, or the ones used to manipulate the most primitive of the masses.

If you believe the US should be socialist, you are a moron. Socialism isn't scary, unless something being such a bad idea that the result will obviously be overwhelmingly negative and not wanting that to happen is "scary."

The US is, and has always been socialist. Literally always. It's basically impossible for a society not to be. Socialized police, infrastructure, roads, schools, etc.

Fuck people who don't understand what words mean.

 

[soulcougher73]

Fuck socialism. Society is not ready for socialism and it won't be for a very long time. The socialist policies that currently exist are largely the ones causing our demise, or the ones used to manipulate the most primitive of the masses.

If you believe the US should be socialist, you are a moron. Socialism isn't scary, unless something being such a bad idea that the result will obviously be overwhelmingly negative and not wanting that to happen is "scary."

Except the part where it makes America great. Without Socialism we wouldn't be what we are today. Brainwashed fool.

 

[Jhhnn]

Fuck socialism. Society is not ready for socialism and it won't be for a very long time. The socialist policies that currently exist are largely the ones causing our demise, or the ones used to manipulate the most primitive of the masses.

If you believe the US should be socialist, you are a moron. Socialism isn't scary, unless something being such a bad idea that the result will obviously be overwhelmingly negative and not wanting that to happen is "scary."

Whew! I think you need to take a long hard look at why you believe that. I can't imagine how you got there other than by leaping to conclusions- many, many times.

If you want to hook up with "the most primitive of the masses", go to a Tea Party rally.

 

[mrjminer]

Any more lunatic fringe socialists?

The US is, and has always been socialist. Literally always. It's basically impossible for a society not to be. Socialized police, infrastructure, roads, schools, etc.

Fuck people who don't understand what words mean.

Throwing "socialized" before the things you listed does not socialism make. Literally always? More like literally laughable.

Except the part where it makes America great. Without Socialism we wouldn't be what we are today. Brainwashed fool.

Yes, because our country was founded on socialism. Obviously.

Whew! I think you need to take a long hard look at why you believe that. I can't imagine how you got there other than by leaping to conclusions- many, many times.

If you want to hook up with "the most primitive of the masses", go to a Tea Party rally.

I think you need to take a long hard look at why you believe that.

 

[MongGrel]

Any more lunatic fringe socialists?



Throwing "socialized" before the things you listed does not socialism make. Literally always? More like literally laughable.



Yes, because our country was founded on socialism. Obviously.



I think you need to take a long hard look at why you believe that.

You must be off in fantasy land somewhere.

 

[MongGrel]

The whole US military is pretty much a whole separate Socialist entity if you want to be serious about it.

And I am a former active duty Marine myself, but the military even has a completely separate judicial system, and is full funded by tax dollars.

Think about that one a bit I guess.

The US is a Republic, but much like the Roman Empire was can change course depending on who is running things.

It has been veering dramatically away from the New Deal days into an Oligarchy for decades now.

 

[fskimospy]

Any more lunatic fringe socialists?



Throwing "socialized" before the things you listed does not socialism make. Literally always? More like literally laughable.



Yes, because our country was founded on socialism. Obviously.



I think you need to take a long hard look at why you believe that.

You're right, putting socialized in front of something doesn't make it socialized. You know what does? Paying for something communally through taxation like we do with all of those.

But yes, I can't think of any example of a country throughout history that wasn't at least somewhat socialist. It is always a question of 'how socialist' not 'if socialist'. You don't seem to have a strong grasp of how governments work.

 

[cubby1223]

We are already a socialist nation. Conclusion determined.

Now... why exactly do we need Bernie running the show then?

 

[flexy]

Now... why exactly do we need Bernie running the show then?

Because the current "politicians" are inbreed imbeciles, billionaires/money clans etc. and not so much people who have the well-being of people in mind?

Detroit is a dump today as a result of corporates being allowed things FOR THEIR PROFIT. Eg. moving jobs and manufacturing abroad. What happened to the people as a result, creating poverty etc. didn't count. A gvt which works like this, which has no regulations and safety nets in place but unlimited freedom for corporates...THIS is why we need folks like Bernie.