5 signs Americans are flat-out broke

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/08/17/why-americans-broke/14056173/

5 signs Americans are flat-out broke

Despite improvement in certain areas of the economy, the Great Recession never truly ended for millions of Americans. Households across the nation are still trying to overcome a sluggish labor market, stagnant wages, and rising living costs. Making matters worse, the struggle does not appear to be ending anytime soon.

1. Higher education
The cost of obtaining a degree and the associated benefits are making some Americans think twice about the college experience. With soaring tuition prices that regularly outpace other forms of inflation, the days of a degree virtually guaranteeing material wealth early in life are over.


2. Cars
Americans have a long history of obsessing over automobiles, but that relationship may be running on fumes.



"As the cost of purchasing a new vehicle continues to rise, consumers clearly are stretching the loan term to help lower monthly payments, keeping them at a manageable level," said Melinda Zabritski, Experian Automotive's senior director of automotive credit. "The benefit of a longer-term loan is the lower monthly payment; however, the flip side of that is consumers can find themselves paying more in interest or being upside-down on their loan if they seek to trade their vehicle in early."


The average monthly payment for a new vehicle loan also hit a record high of $474 in the first-quarter, driving more cash-strapped buyers to leases.



Of all new vehicles financed, 30.2% were leased compared to 27.5% a year earlier.

3. Real estate
Home ownership has been a critical component of the American Dream for decades. However, affordability issues and the recent housing-bubble collapse are keeping many buyers on the sidelines.


Last month, the Census Bureau reported that the nation's homeownership rate during the second quarter dipped 0.3 percentage points to 64.7%, compared to 65% a year earlier. As the chart above shows, that is the lowest level in nineteen years.



Rent prices are not rising as fast as home prices, but Trulia reports that rent prices rose 6.1% on a year-over-year basis in July — a sizable increase to those already struggling with their finances.

4. Savings
Saving money continues to be a losing battle for many Americans. Twenty-six percent of Americans do not have any money placed aside for emergencies, according to a new survey from Bankrate. In fact, 67% have saved less than six months' worth of expenses, and 50% have saved less than three months' expenses. Over the past year, the number of Americans with at least three months' expenses in savings declined from 45% to 40%.

5. Wealth
A brutal combination of falling stock and home prices has decimated wealth gains over the past decade. Net worth at the 50th percentile (median) totaled $56,335 in 2013, down 36% from $87,992 in 2003, according to a recent report from the Russell Sage Foundation. In fact, the 90th and 95th percentiles were the only groups to report wealth gains between 2003 and 2013.



"It is possible that the very slow recovery from the Great Recession will continue to generate increased wealth inequality in the coming years as those hardest hit may still be drawing down the few assets they have left to cover current consumption and the housing market continues to grow at a modest pace."
 

Engineer

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6. We shop at Walmart.

and that's dropping at an alarming rate (per Walmart). Foot traffic down 1.1% year over year and sales down 3% during that same period (for same stores sales and traffic numbers).

Walmart might not admit it outright but they know that if America doesn't get good paying jobs back, even the mighty Walmart will be doomed. That's one reason that WM is at least giving lip service to the bring back manufacturing jobs to America campaign.

Again, people are running out of money.
 

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7. We buy the latest and greatest smart phone w/best data plan

8. We buy the biggest and baddest big screen TV and other entertainment gadgets

Since you like using anecdotal evidence all the time when talking about 'your company', I'll throw my anecdotal evidence out there:

I have a LG VX8300 flip phone that's 7.5 years old and up until last year, had the original battery.

My big screen TV went out last year and I spent $350 on a new LCD TV.

Just like your job situation is proof that the US worker isn't in trouble, I'm proof that the US consumer doesn't do what you say they are doing.

/sarcasm

Americans are broke because their jobs were shipped out from under them and their wages were cut over the last decades. Credit was used to fill in for the falling wages for years but even that's run dry. Credit card debt per household has dropped nearly 25% over the last 5 years (partially because the banks have quit giving it out and have recalled others at the same time). Pay people less (McService jobs), you'll get broke people and a stagnant or falling economy...with or without government intervention trying to prop it up.
 
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Sonikku

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If only we had free trade. Without all the government interference, red tape and regulations, the jobs and wealth would rainfall down on us all.
 

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If only we had free trade. Without all the government interference, red tape and regulations, the jobs and wealth would rainfall down on us all.

It would be great. We could offshore those jobs that require no more than a 6 year old to complete and then, the American's could focus on the engineering and science jobs that they would not have had time for otherwise. The US can become the managers and designers for the entire world. Life would be so grand.
 

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Companies (GE, Boeing) that sell globally have done well with the free trade agreements and urge the government to move new agreements as soon as possible.

Yes, enabled them to offhsore production entirely or in sections and then import for final assembly (Boeing) into the US. Lower price labor and no drop in price for the planes. Win for everyone...well....except the US worker that was displaced from a good paying job but hey, that doesn't matter. They will find another job.....
 

Mai72

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Since you like using anecdotal evidence all the time when talking about 'your company', I'll throw my anecdotal evidence out there:

I have a LG VX8300 flip phone that's 7.5 years old and up until last year, had the original battery.

My big screen TV went out last year and I spent $350 on a new LCD TV.

Just like your job situation is proof that the US worker isn't in trouble, I'm proof that the US consumer doesn't do what you say they are doing.

/sarcasm

Americans are broke because their jobs were shipped out from under them and their wages were cut over the last decades. Credit was used to fill in for the falling wages for years but even that's run dry. Credit card debt per household has dropped nearly 25% over the last 5 years (partially because the banks have quit giving it out and have recalled others at the same time). Pay people less (McService jobs), you'll get broke people and a stagnant or falling economy...with or without government intervention trying to prop it up.

Londo does have a point. Why is it that when Apple releases a new phone it sells out within minutes. I notice people with new smartphones all the time.

It's the same with big screen tvs. People claim that they are broke and don't have retirement, but yet if you were to look in their home you would see a huge tv flatscreen.

People are broke. I'm not denying it. What I am saying is that people have their priorities screwed up.
 

spacejamz

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12. People who cannot afford to have kids but still do. Guess this applies to smoking/drinking as well.
 

cubby1223

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12. People who cannot afford to have kids but still do. Guess this applies to smoking/drinking as well.

Strangely the bigger issue is people who can afford to have kids but do not.

Kids are the greatest cause of economic purchases out there, and with fewer children there is fewer purchases, fewer jobs, and the business world moves away to where there is more economic activity and growth.
 

Zaap

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*A nonparticipant of the current faddish National Pity Party peeks in...*

"Oh look at that. Another conga line of self-pity and useless hand-wringing."

Meh. I'll keep sitting this NPP out just like the ones before it. Maybe one day the sob sisters will wake up and realize the solution isnt waiting for whoever they're blaming their own fate on to feel sorry enough for them to grant them everything they think they deserve. And maybe one day they'll realize the magic politician they believe will wave his magic wand and grant them success will never exist either. Maybe one day it'll dawn that the solution is never going to be someone else, but making whatever happen for themselves.....

Maybe one day.

Until then, enjoy the NPP!
 

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Strangely the bigger issue is people who can afford to have kids but do not.

Kids are the greatest cause of economic purchases out there, and with fewer children there is fewer purchases, fewer jobs, and the business world moves away to where there is more economic activity and growth.

Look at Japan. Population decreases....economy shrinks.
 
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Londo does have a point. Why is it that when Apple releases a new phone it sells out within minutes. I notice people with new smartphones all the time.

It's the same with big screen tvs. People claim that they are broke and don't have retirement, but yet if you were to look in their home you would see a huge tv flatscreen.

People are broke. I'm not denying it. What I am saying is that people have their priorities screwed up.

cheap i phones

http://www.att.com/wireless/iphone/

http://bgr.com/2014/03/07/iphone-5-and-iphone-5c-deals/

cheap, big "flatscreen" (the only kind they actually sell any more)

50" tv $378

40" tv $249

http://www.walmart.com/cp/television...geCatId=447913

Yep, outrageously expensive. How dare those who have less money spend any of it on even the smallest comfort. If you are 'poor' you damn well better be suffering cause that's all you deserve.
 

IGBT

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Strangely the bigger issue is people who can afford to have kids but do not.

Kids are the greatest cause of economic purchases out there, and with fewer children there is fewer purchases, fewer jobs, and the business world moves away to where there is more economic activity and growth.



do the math on all the liberal women flushing their kids down the toilet under the guise of abortion and you may have part of the answer for current economic conditions. The surge of imported poverty from S.America may replace the flushed numbers but not the economic activity due to the parasitic expense they will have on the tax payer.
 

Exophase

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That's reason 11 of why we're all broke - Amazon killed off millions of retail jobs in exchange for a fraction of those jobs operating Amazon.

A system that bemoans an increase in efficiency is a broken and regressive system. Hopefully we can start transitioning into something else so we can keep being allowed to improve.
 

waggy

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cheap i phones

http://www.att.com/wireless/iphone/

http://bgr.com/2014/03/07/iphone-5-and-iphone-5c-deals/

cheap, big "flatscreen" (the only kind they actually sell any more)

50" tv $378

40" tv $249

http://www.walmart.com/cp/television...geCatId=447913

Yep, outrageously expensive. How dare those who have less money spend any of it on even the smallest comfort. If you are 'poor' you damn well better be suffering cause that's all you deserve.

meh. tvs are a lot cheaper today then they were 20 years ago.

but saying that. when i was a kid we had a tv in the living room and maybe one in the basement.

today most people i know have one in every bedroom, living room, family room and heck even kitchen
 

spacejamz

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cheap i phones

http://www.att.com/wireless/iphone/

http://bgr.com/2014/03/07/iphone-5-and-iphone-5c-deals/

cheap, big "flatscreen" (the only kind they actually sell any more)

50" tv $378

40" tv $249

http://www.walmart.com/cp/television...geCatId=447913

Yep, outrageously expensive. How dare those who have less money spend any of it on even the smallest comfort. If you are 'poor' you damn well better be suffering cause that's all you deserve.

Some people just don't get it...it's not just the TV or the iphone...where are your prices for the cable/satellite packages for those TV's? The unlimited texting and 2GB data plans for the iphones? Eating out more than cooking at home?

As stated in the OP, there is a reason savings account balances are down and it is due the bad priorities that many people seem to have in their spending habits.