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lakedude

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Zeze said:
I really hate computers. I knew I hated it when I was troubleshooting it in late 90s.

I hate it then I hate it now.

I hate looking at cryptic post beeps or LEDs and having to go through all the BS.

I hate it. I hate you all. I hate myself for being interested in this BS hobby.

Me today
1. Drove to MC and got CPU and mobo replaced.
2. Sigh time to format and start all over.
3. God, took out old mobo, remove everything. Attach it all over again to a new mobo. It's a diff board so now I gotta look at everything.
4. Oh look I ran out of thermal paste. Drive to Best buy.
5. Despite being careful, my CPU fan now makes a louder whirr now. Great.
6. Ok finally new mobo and new CPU is in. Oh. It won't boot.

Frustration... So I clear CMOS first.

7. Yay it boots. Install windows 11...
8. Install all the programs and change settings.
9. Ok so now time to update BIOS before turning on EXPO.
10. Update BIOS success? Now it won't post.
11. I really hate that CMOS battery latch now.
12. CMOS cleared, but still won't post.

Djifhwbflwhdiqbloanxhhskwdn

This whole boot ddr5 ram training thing just set the computer POST progress about 2 decades back. BIOS used to be near instant. Booting to desktop used to take glorious 13 seconds on an SSD with ddr3.

All this BS troubleshooting. God all for what, playing stupid videogames.
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I'm feeling very lucky rn.
 
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It's not that "Intel" or "AMD" RAM wouldn't work at EXPO/XMP in the opposite Brand's platform; it's just proactively avoiding one aspect of troubleshooting should something go wrong.
 
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igor_kavinski

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lakedude said:
Biostar tz77, Corsair vengeance 1600mhz ddr3 4x4gb
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I believe I have the same, only 8GB per stick. Mine kinda worked in my Gigabyte Z77 mobo and forced me to buy Kingston 1866 MHz RAM when it wouldn't work on my Gigabyte Z97 mobo, thus throwing a wrench into my "Ferengi math" of how little my upgrade should cost me going from Ivy Bridge to Broadwell.
 
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igor_kavinski

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Zeze said:
I'll do some stress tests again.
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If you want to, disable the 2070 in Device Manager and then run Rapydmark High on the CPU and Unigine Superposition with Extreme Textures on the iGPU simultaneously. If both run flawlessly and give you scores without any errors, your system is fine.

RapydMark CPU benchmark

RapydMark for Windows (frikiscape.com) Synthetic highly parallel benchmark. My company's dual socket Ivy Bridge-E beat Comet Lake in total time, only due to more cores. Should be fun to see how 5950X and i9-12900K fare in this benchmark. My guess is that 5950X will win. Update: 5950X did...
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Zeze

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Finally happy. Jesus after 60 days. What a rough start.

I'm now looking into undervolting... -20 CO gave me +249 points on cinebench R23.

17860 to 18100.
 
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lakedude

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Zeze said:
Finally happy. Jesus after 60 days. What a rough start.
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Back in the day I can remember investing in the latest and greatest graphics cards only to find them largely useless due to driver issues and a lack of games that took advantage of the fancy new features.

Seem to recall it taking a year or so for game patches and driver updates to make the by then obsolete GPU work properly.

Had Core2Duo, Lynnfield, Sandy Bridge, then Ivy Bridge and then just quit, partly because i got married but also because the bleeding edge was expensive and frustrating.

There were AMD systems in there as well but i don't recall them as easily.

For years the best system in the house was a laptop.

Now we use Chromecast and Phones with HDMI adapters for everything except heavy duty gaming and VR.
 
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igor_kavinski

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lakedude said:
Seem to recall it taking a year or so for game patches and driver updates to make the by then obsolete GPU work properly.
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Yeah. The last GPU I remember I had before I got a job was the Radeon 9500 (not sure). I remember watching the cool DX9 demos on that and how pathetic the Geforce counterpart was. Then there was a long gap and I got a new Geforce 9600GT that helped me play Crysis with a Core 2 Quad Q9400. Then a new Geforce 560 Ti to experience 3DVision(?) which was kinda lame coz I couldn't see any 3D. I only see 3D effects with passive 3D.

Then a 1060 3GB and Radeon 580 (both used). Sold both at a loss and got a used $180 Geforce GTX Titan X just before the prices went crazy. Used Zotac 3090 with fresh heatsink paste and memory pads for $650 when prices started coming down. Brand new ASUS LC 6800 XT for $650 (still unopened). And a used Gigabyte AORUS RX 6800 for less than $250. The gaps where I didn't buy a GPU, I was either too busy, couldn't afford one or I was playing games on consoles.
 
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I remember working at Staples in HS. I was paid $7.50 an hour, which was pretty damn good compared to the $5.35 minimum wage most kids made.

I remember paying $90 to buy a 64MB of ram. Was it a pair or a single stick I don't remember. I went from 16mb to 64mb and I remember being floored because the HDD hardly made crunching noise due to ample room of the RAM.

Now I went from 16gb to 64gb, LOL.

That's a 1000x computing increase!
 
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Great, I feel empty now.

So this is what Olympic athletes feel when they finally win gold.
 
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I have the highly rated Peerless Assassin 120 SE like most do. While I love the unit, their noise profile really bothered me. It's makes a certain mid-range whistle-y sound. I thought something was wrong with mine, so I got a replacement. It's bit better but basically the same.

Here. This youtuber's sound recording has the identical sound as well (timestamp 1:23)


I opened my case, and I noticed that the offending sound becomes far less when the both fans aren't attached to the heatsink. They can be still running 'off-site' but much quieter.

So what if I decide to just off 1 fan? So I did. I took out the outer one facing the RAM, leaving the sole fan sandwiched between the heatsink towers.

So far it works fine. Idle temp went up 1-2 degrees (at 15% fan using fan control).

[Before]
  • Idle temp: 39-41 C at 17% fan (400 RPM)
  • Cinebench R23: 84 C max @ 17854 score at 80% fan max targeting 78 C
[1 Fan]
  • Idle temp: 39-44 C at 18-20% fan (500 RPM) using same fan curve
  • Cinebench R23: 85C max @ 17550 score; same curve.
  • Virtually silent idle (it was fine with 2 fans though)
  • Sounds rather gentle at 80-100% speed.
  • Most importantly, that youtube whistle is completely gone.
I guess it works?
 
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The 1-fan solution works beautifully the last two nights. The peak temp is same as 2 fans at 86 C at full load with Cinebench. The typical use of the PC has had.. basically no changes. The Cinebench actually has zero difference vs the prior 200-300 drop with 1 fan. It just had a browser & game launcher messin' with the scores. The 1 fan produces the same 178xx scores. Amazing. Afterwards, I also did a quick-n-dirty undervolting of -15 CO. It looks like many nerds report they start failing at 20-30~. I just set it to -15 across the board and Cinebench now breaks 18000.

I'm finally very happy. I'm mostly very pleased with the 1-fan trick I read somewhere. It is so quiet even under load.
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I near cried when I started to see the BIOS consistently with the new motherboard (MSI -> Gigabyte). This BIOS was updated to the latest one this year.
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Look at this beaut. Looking back, I'd put my money on the CPU being defective (memory controller). The problem persisted until I replaced the 7800X3D and diff mobo brand. But two diff new boards still gave me the same issue.
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Notice the heatsink missing the fan that would otherwise be blocking the RAM?
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Insanely cool and efficient. 7800X3D is 39-41 C idle with that 1-fan on a curve. And it's under 400 RPM! I think the modern case of mesh walls helps tremendously too (Corsair 4000d).
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I give it 5 stars.

This build will really shine when I get rtx5080 or 5070ti around GTA5 release. I decided to wait upgrading my 2070 since all my current games play just fine.
 
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