$5,000+ turbo kit for a 14,999 car.

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I drive a 240sx...Hondas are the reason sport compacts grew. Most don't know a real one though.

I was gonna say, 240 are much better platforms for that sort of a thing. Toss in an SR20 and you've got an awesome rwd machine.

For drag the KA would be better.

I thought those motors aren't too happy with forced induction? I guess the extra .4l would bring a bit more torque.

There's a guy around here with a gorgeous black '97... the huge frontmount makes it look mean as hell.

I don't really think you have much in-depth knowledge of the cars out there esp. attacking Hondas at even the engine level and thinking 6psi gets any car to a 14sec 1/4. Some of the lightest Hondas are trapping at 12-13 with light boost in stripped cars. The FWD guys are a unique breed though.

Most engines rumored to be unhappy with boost are either not popular or commonly tuned improperly.

There are many KA24DEs running with stock bottom ends at 400-450RWHP. 300RWHP is considered totally safe...if tuned properly. The factory rods are decent with the weak link at higher boost being the piston landings.

The KA24DE has a long stroke and makes a ton of torque, nearly equal to it's HP output.

It's not happy though at extended higher rpms like an autocross / road race brings. Definitely capable, but not like the SR20DET is.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I drive a 240sx...Hondas are the reason sport compacts grew. Most don't know a real one though.

I was gonna say, 240 are much better platforms for that sort of a thing. Toss in an SR20 and you've got an awesome rwd machine.

For drag the KA would be better.

I thought those motors aren't too happy with forced induction? I guess the extra .4l would bring a bit more torque.

There's a guy around here with a gorgeous black '97... the huge frontmount makes it look mean as hell.

I don't really think you have much in-depth knowledge of the cars out there esp. attacking Hondas at even the engine level and thinking 6psi gets any car to a 14sec 1/4. Some of the lightest Hondas are trapping at 12-13 with light boost in stripped cars. The FWD guys are a unique breed though.

Most engines rumored to be unhappy with boost are either not popular or commonly tuned improperly.

There are many KA24DEs running with stock bottom ends at 400-450RWHP. 300RWHP is considered totally safe...if tuned properly. The factory rods are decent with the weak link at higher boost being the piston landings.

The KA24DE has a long stroke and makes a ton of torque, nearly equal to it's HP output.

It's not happy though at extended higher rpms like an autocross / road race brings. Definitely capable, but not like the SR20DET is.

Agreed. The irony of a Diamond-star guy attacking Honda motors is incredible. The Nissan and Honda motors are widely accepted as being a lot tougher than the DSMs, going further on stock internals, and with fewer issues such as the dreaded crankwalk. Granted, a lot of this is more pronounced when talking of the peak-popularity period of the 2G Eclipses/Talons, and the Evo is a bit of a different story. The Eclipse trannys are notoriously fragile as well.

Oh, and to attack Variable Valve Timing? Wtf, pretty much everyone is doing it these days in one form or another. Sure, it doesn't necessarily mean better performance vs. other motors, as there are tons of other factors, but to just arbitrarily dismiss it is as ignorant as those who bash Vette motors for being pushrod.

Meh.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I drive a 240sx...Hondas are the reason sport compacts grew. Most don't know a real one though.

I was gonna say, 240 are much better platforms for that sort of a thing. Toss in an SR20 and you've got an awesome rwd machine.

For drag the KA would be better.

I thought those motors aren't too happy with forced induction? I guess the extra .4l would bring a bit more torque.

There's a guy around here with a gorgeous black '97... the huge frontmount makes it look mean as hell.

I don't really think you have much in-depth knowledge of the cars out there esp. attacking Hondas at even the engine level and thinking 6psi gets any car to a 14sec 1/4. Some of the lightest Hondas are trapping at 12-13 with light boost in stripped cars. The FWD guys are a unique breed though.

Most engines rumored to be unhappy with boost are either not popular or commonly tuned improperly.

There are many KA24DEs running with stock bottom ends at 400-450RWHP. 300RWHP is considered totally safe...if tuned properly. The factory rods are decent with the weak link at higher boost being the piston landings.

The KA24DE has a long stroke and makes a ton of torque, nearly equal to it's HP output.

It's not happy though at extended higher rpms like an autocross / road race brings. Definitely capable, but not like the SR20DET is.

Agreed. The irony of a Diamond-star guy attacking Honda motors is incredible. The Nissan and Honda motors are widely accepted as being a lot tougher than the DSMs, going further on stock internals, and with fewer issues such as the dreaded crankwalk. Granted, a lot of this is more pronounced when talking of the peak-popularity period of the 2G Eclipses/Talons, and the Evo is a bit of a different story. The Eclipse trannys are notoriously fragile as well.

Oh, and to attack Variable Valve Timing? Wtf, pretty much everyone is doing it these days in one form or another. Sure, it doesn't necessarily mean better performance vs. other motors, as there are tons of other factors, but to just arbitrarily dismiss it is as ignorant as those who bash Vette motors for being pushrod.

Meh.

Heh I'm attacking the fanboi mentality if anything... racing technology engines and OMGZZZ vtec... just put a big turbo on your mom's civic and you'll be faster than anything on the street.

Common now, 8psi on a focus will get you 14s ... or a swapped cavalier or better yet a dodge turbovan

But even that is kind of pointless when you can pick up say a TT 300zx (I've owned 2) for about 6K and it will run circles around any of those. The point is why waste 4G on a turbo kit when you can just get a sports car?

I've also owned two hondas for the record, the 2 wheel kind 😉

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: halik

Heh I'm attacking the fanboi mentality if anything... racing technology engines and OMGZZZ vtec... just put a big turbo on your mom's civic and you'll be faster than anything on the street.

Common now, 8psi on a focus will get you 14s ... or a swapped cavalier or better yet a dodge turbovan

But even that is kind of pointless when you can pick up say a TT 300zx (I've owned 2) for about 6K and it will run circles around any of those. The point is why waste 4G on a turbo kit when you can just get a sports car?

I've also owned two hondas for the record, the 2 wheel kind 😉

Now you are just going all over the place...if you owned a 300ZXTT for $6k you had a dog of a car or won the lottery.

The 300ZXTT is a very different car than any Honda...it's not everyone's thing.

However, for the most part yeah stick a big turbo on your mom's civic and you could more than likely beat most things (assuming at least drag radials)...don't plan on it lasting a long time.

I didn't see any OMGFANBOIs in this post though.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: halik

Heh I'm attacking the fanboi mentality if anything... racing technology engines and OMGZZZ vtec... just put a big turbo on your mom's civic and you'll be faster than anything on the street.

Common now, 8psi on a focus will get you 14s ... or a swapped cavalier or better yet a dodge turbovan

But even that is kind of pointless when you can pick up say a TT 300zx (I've owned 2) for about 6K and it will run circles around any of those. The point is why waste 4G on a turbo kit when you can just get a sports car?

I've also owned two hondas for the record, the 2 wheel kind 😉

Now you are just going all over the place...if you owned a 300ZXTT for $6k you had a dog of a car or won the lottery.

The 300ZXTT is a very different car than any Honda...it's not everyone's thing.

However, for the most part yeah stick a big turbo on your mom's civic and you could more than likely beat most things (assuming at least drag radials)...don't plan on it lasting a long time.

I didn't see any OMGFANBOIs in this post though.

I've had two 300zx NAs, but you can pick up TTs with ~100K on the clock for about 6K or so.

My point was that you can slap a huge turbo on just about any super light econobox and it will be fast for 2 weeks, vtec or not. Why waste your money, though, when you can start with a car that has a ton more potential? Z32s, mk3 supras, first gen DSMs (no crankwalk!) etc

 

[alkemyst]

maybe closer to 200k and not very nice to look at. A honda has a lot of potential and for the cheapest out of almost all other makes of cars due to the number of parts sold. There just is alot of bad ones out there that most witness.

When someone says pickup a TT300ZX and adds they owned 2, no one is going to think you are talking an NA.

Regardless the Z32 is a PITA to work on, it's pretty heavy and loaded with extras. It's a GT cruiser. The Supra is similar.

I think you are getting blinded about what makes a fanboi and what is someone that races.