4890 cooler

[Rifter]

whats the best aftermarket cooler for the 4890? just installed mine 10 min ago and HOLY SHIT I NEED EAR PLUGS. Im not even kidding. I thought my 4830 was loud but this thing sounds like a F-16 at full thrust at anything over 40% fan speed, easaly three times louder than my 4830 and it was loud. One Good thing, it cooles very well at 70-100% fan speed but its not possible to keep it at that speed without going deaf. Is there a good 120mm fan cooler for these cards yet?

 

[videogames101]

Get headphones!

 

[brblx]

i don't understand why card manufacturers don't just put 120mm fans on their cards...

'what's that, you say, this tiny fan will have to spin at 20000rpm to work? brilliant!'

 

[Rifter]

I have headphones, and a 500w 5.1 surround system with a 200w sub, but i would also like my computer to be quiet when not gaming or listening to music, and i dont like to always adjust the fan speed. I want something with a 120mm fan that i can leave at a constant speed and not worry about. I also want yto OC the balls off this card and i think an aftermarket cooler is the way to go due to the noise level of this thing at anything close to full speed.

 

[NinjaJedi]

I'm pretty sure the 4870 and 4890 have the same hole spacing. These two are compatible with 4870.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835118037

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835186016

 

[apoppin]

are you sure your 4890 fan isn't defective
- mine gets annoying only over 50%

is it the reference one?
- mind is a Diamond HD4890-XOC; it is really not much louder than 4870
--- i have a quiet 4870 but it is the "open design" i hate - it dumps heat back into my case and overheats my 4870-X2

 

[Rifter]

mine is a ref design XFX 4890XC(stock 875Mhz), i dont think its defective i just think its loud.

 

[apoppin]

what are you comparing it to? What did you upgrade from?
- mine is pretty quiet until it gets to 50+% .. then it is irritating as hell

 

[TidusZ]

My 295 was loud as hell but reapplying the TIM dropped temps 10c which allowed me to keep it quieter using a custom fan profile and rivatuner. Card manufacturers squirt their peanut butter inspired TIMs onto the card like a fat kid squirts syrup onto his pancakes. Clean it up and do it right and I imagine it will help a bit.

 

[Rifter]

Im comparing it to a open design throw heat into case sapphire 512MB 4830 OC & 800/900, which for comparison is now installed in my g/f's comp 4 feet behind me at full speed and i cant even hear it over my 4890 @ %50 which is 16" from me, and i thought my 4830 was loud before i herd this thing. Also the 4890 is WAY louder than my 7 case fans(including PSU and CPU fans) put together at anything over 40%.

TidusZ i do plan on replacing the TIM w AS as well as doing a mirror polish lap as soon as i replace the cooler with something 120mm fan compatable. My PCI-e slots are 2 slots apart so even if i go CF i have room for a BIG cooler with 120mm fans.

 

[Rifter]

NinjaJedi

that AC unit looks nice, mated with a 60-80CFM fan i think it would provide great cooling to noise ratio. Might go buy one on the weekend.

I dont really care if it dumps heat into my case thats what case fans are for, those blow out the back designs are highly overrated IMO.

 

[*kjm]

Rifterut cant you just run it at 40%? I have my XFX 4890 @ 975/1015 and in Windows it's running around 38C and gaming it runs around 68C with the fan set at 40%.

 

[error8]

There are no aftermarket coolers for 4890, now. Even if the mounting holes for the GPU, are the same as for 4870, you have nothing to install on the VRMs and don't think about putting just some crappy little ram heatsinks on them, because it's not gonna work.

And I don't understand what you are saying. The fan profiles that comes with the card, implies the fan to spin at 70-100%, or you're forcing the fan to spin that fast? I know someone who has a Powercolor 4890 and the fan never gets over 38% under load.

 

[Rifter]

so the 4870 coolers will not work on the 4890? Yeah the fan will keep it under 75c at 35-40% but i would like to keep it cooler, it will keep it under 55C if you run it at 60-70%, i want something to keep it that cool but not sound like a jet engine. The stock fan profile sucks it doesnt turn it up fast enough, i have seen the card hit 87c with the stock fan profile so right now i have it manually set to 50%, keeps it under 65c but is still loud.

 

[betasub]

The GPU is fine at 87C or even 90C, and the fan profile has been written allow the GPU to operate at safe temperatures without the fan speed/noise ramping up unnecessarily. The GPU temp might seem very hot to those of us used to other designs and their different thermal envelopes, and we'd all like our hardware to run cooler, but choosing to keep it under 65C seems fairly arbitary unless you have inside AMD information.

 

[error8]

And let me guess, it reaches 87 C in Furmark?

The fan profile doesn't suck, it was made in such a way that it will cool the card enough, without making it sound like a jet engine. Who in their right mind would have bought a 4890 with the fan spinning at 60-70%?
Use ATi tray tools ( I guess it supports the 4890 ? ) and set the fan profiles according to temperatures thresholds. I heard that this card overclocks fine even at high temperatures, not like 4870 that needs to be under 60C to squeeze a frickin 30mhz out of it. So as long as you can overclock it, I don't think it matters what temperature it has, as long as it doesn't cross 90 C. And reapply tim as well. There might be a pool of goo onto the gpu, worsening the heat transfer.

 

[NinjaJedi]

Originally posted by: error8
There are no aftermarket coolers for 4890, now. Even if the mounting holes for the GPU, are the same as for 4870, you have nothing to install on the VRMs and don't think about putting just some crappy little ram heatsinks on them, because it's not gonna work.

And I don't understand what you are saying. The fan profiles that comes with the card, implies the fan to spin at 70-100%, or you're forcing the fan to spin that fast? I know someone who has a Powercolor 4890 and the fan never gets over 38% under load.

pffft... slapping as you say "crappy little heat sinks on them" will work just fine as long as the case has good air flow. That AC cooler with a good (120mm) fan and sinks on the VRMs will probably keep the VRMs a lot cooler than the stock sink would. Most aftermarket coolers only cool the GPU and use "crappy little heat sinks" to cool the RAM and VRMs. With the 4870 and 4890 being so alike I'm sure using a cooler compatible with the 4870 on a 4890 would work just fine. Both of the coolers I listed were out long before the 4870 was ever on the market and it is compatible with it so it's not like they were made for the 4870. They just made sure it fits and cooled well enough to call it compatible. I don't know about the AC cooler but that zalman does come with it's own RAM sinks and I use them to cool VRMs on a 8800gt and they work just fine.

I have never used these but it looks like a good deal

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835185083

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rifterut
so the 4870 coolers will not work on the 4890? Yeah the fan will keep it under 75c at 35-40% but i would like to keep it cooler, it will keep it under 55C if you run it at 60-70%, i want something to keep it that cool but not sound like a jet engine. The stock fan profile sucks it doesnt turn it up fast enough, i have seen the card hit 87c with the stock fan profile so right now i have it manually set to 50%, keeps it under 65c but is still loud.

Unless you're running into stability issues, why are you so concerned with keeping your GPU under 55C? GPUs are designed to handle much higher temps than that. Even 87C peak is nothing compared to the temps some previous generation cards were running.

My recommendation is that unless it starts hitting 90C+, just let it do its thing. Or if you prefer, set the fan to the fastest speed that's acceptable audibly and then forget about it.

 

[Munky]

There's no reason why you should have to keep it under 55C, gpu's typically run with temps in the 70's and 80's. My 4890 OC runs just fine with the stock cooler and default fan profile.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: error8
There are no aftermarket coolers for 4890, now. Even if the mounting holes for the GPU, are the same as for 4870, you have nothing to install on the VRMs and don't think about putting just some crappy little ram heatsinks on them, because it's not gonna work.

And I don't understand what you are saying. The fan profiles that comes with the card, implies the fan to spin at 70-100%, or you're forcing the fan to spin that fast? I know someone who has a Powercolor 4890 and the fan never gets over 38% under load.

pffft... slapping as you say "crappy little heat sinks on them" will work just fine as long as the case has good air flow. That AC cooler with a good (120mm) fan and sinks on the VRMs will probably keep the VRMs a lot cooler than the stock sink would. Most aftermarket coolers only cool the GPU and use "crappy little heat sinks" to cool the RAM and VRMs. With the 4870 and 4890 being so alike I'm sure using a cooler compatible with the 4870 on a 4890 would work just fine. Both of the coolers I listed were out long before the 4870 was ever on the market and it is compatible with it so it's not like they were made for the 4870. They just made sure it fits and cooled well enough to call it compatible. I don't know about the AC cooler but that zalman does come with it's own RAM sinks and I use them to cool VRMs on a 8800gt and they work just fine.

I have never used these but it looks like a good deal

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835185083

The sad thing is that you have no idea about what you are talking about. Please , make a large google search about people that used the Accelero S1 with the crappy little heatsinks onto the vrms, on a 4870 and see what are they reporting: VRM temps in excess of 120 C. And it's not a problem of airflow, it's a problem of large heat exchange surface, something that the crappy little heatsinks lack. It has been discussed here on these forums 1000 times already about this problem and yet you never heard of it and you want to sound as a big aftermarket cooler expert. Next time, search more about the things you believe are facts, before putting them onto a forum and giving someone a very bad advice about hardware modifications.

.I can give you a lot of examples like this if you like - 4870 water cooled reaching 126 C on vrms with "crappy little heatsinks on them".

I also have a thread on these forums, where I got 95 C VRM in ATi tool, after just a couple of seconds, with the S1 with 2X120 fans onto it and some of those fantastic little heatsinks,on a 4870.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rifterut
so the 4870 coolers will not work on the 4890? Yeah the fan will keep it under 75c at 35-40% but i would like to keep it cooler, it will keep it under 55C if you run it at 60-70%, i want something to keep it that cool but not sound like a jet engine. The stock fan profile sucks it doesnt turn it up fast enough, i have seen the card hit 87c with the stock fan profile so right now i have it manually set to 50%, keeps it under 65c but is still loud.

i'd like to also add that that is *ridiculous*
-- 87C is FINE .. unless you plan to keep the card for ten years

the stock cooler is fine .. you have no worries running it [mostly] under 50% - even overclocked

 

[Rifter]

i guess we will see how it goes when i start to OC it, 90c just seems really high to me, and even at 40% its still loud, 120mm fan would help, but i guess ill have to wait untill someone releases a cooler for the 4890 specifically.

 

[NinjaJedi]

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: error8
There are no aftermarket coolers for 4890, now. Even if the mounting holes for the GPU, are the same as for 4870, you have nothing to install on the VRMs and don't think about putting just some crappy little ram heatsinks on them, because it's not gonna work.

And I don't understand what you are saying. The fan profiles that comes with the card, implies the fan to spin at 70-100%, or you're forcing the fan to spin that fast? I know someone who has a Powercolor 4890 and the fan never gets over 38% under load.

pffft... slapping as you say "crappy little heat sinks on them" will work just fine as long as the case has good air flow. That AC cooler with a good (120mm) fan and sinks on the VRMs will probably keep the VRMs a lot cooler than the stock sink would. Most aftermarket coolers only cool the GPU and use "crappy little heat sinks" to cool the RAM and VRMs. With the 4870 and 4890 being so alike I'm sure using a cooler compatible with the 4870 on a 4890 would work just fine. Both of the coolers I listed were out long before the 4870 was ever on the market and it is compatible with it so it's not like they were made for the 4870. They just made sure it fits and cooled well enough to call it compatible. I don't know about the AC cooler but that zalman does come with it's own RAM sinks and I use them to cool VRMs on a 8800gt and they work just fine. 4th I'm done so save your breath.

I have never used these but it looks like a good deal

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835185083

The sad thing is that you have no idea about what you are talking about. Please , make a large google search about people that used the Accelero S1 with the crappy little heatsinks onto the vrms, on a 4870 and see what are they reporting: VRM temps in excess of 120 C. And it's not a problem of airflow, it's a problem of large heat exchange surface, something that the crappy little heatsinks lack. It has been discussed here on these forums 1000 times already about this problem and yet you never heard of it and you want to sound as a big aftermarket cooler expert. Next time, search more about the things you believe are facts, before putting them onto a forum and giving someone a very bad advice about hardware modifications.

.I can give you a lot of examples like this if you like - 4870 water cooled reaching 126 C on vrms with "crappy little heatsinks on them".

I also have a thread on these forums, where I got 95 C VRM in ATi tool, after just a couple of seconds, with the S1 with 2X120 fans onto it and some of those fantastic little heatsinks,on a 4870.

1st calm down! 2nd I do not claim to be anything. 3rd I didn't see anything on that XS link you gave saying anyone was crashing or having instability issues do to VRM temps around 120ish. All they said was temps on some were getting to 126c and one poster even said it could be a miss read because it was not hot to the touch. There are plenty of RAM/VRM sink kits out there some beefier than others. Either moving the 120mm fan a bit off center towards the VRMs would help get more airflow on them or strapping 2 fans on there if possible. Either way IMO it will work fine.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi


1st calm down! 2nd I do not claim to be anything. 3rd I didn't see anything on that XS link you gave saying anyone was crashing or having instability issues do to VRM temps around 120ish. All they said was temps on some were getting to 126c and one poster even said it could be a miss read because it was not hot to the touch. There are plenty of RAM/VRM sink kits out there some beefier than others. Either moving the 120mm fan a bit off center towards the VRMs would help get more airflow on them or strapping 2 fans on there if possible. Either way IMO it will work fine.

That link was just to give you an idea, it was a first find in the google search I did. 4870 VRMs are rated for 120 C and that is the absolute maximum you might touch with them and no way on earth you should keep them at that value or above.
Check this link here to further enlighten yourself

"Everything could have been really great, if it hadn?t been for the VRM components cooling. Look at the second group of results on the first diagram. It appears that none of the alternative solutions can cool these components properly in quiet mode. This is why we only tested the coolers on a graphics cards working at its nominal frequencies and didn?t overclock it: even when we increased the GPU frequency only to 800MHz the card would hang during the test cycle, which didn?t occur with a reference cooler. Even the aluminum heatsinks on these components didn?t help improve the card?s overclocking potential, unfortunately. I believe that cooling solution makers should really consider offering larger aluminum or even copper heatsinks with proper retention for these components on graphics cards like Radeon HD 4870."

Extra air flow doesn't help. You need larger heatsinks for the extremely hot VRMs. And I don't want to imagine how hot the 4890 vrms get, with that extra gpu voltage increased to 1.31V from the 1.26v that 4870 had. It's a different power design though, but still , they should heat up like crazy.

And I am calming down, but your "pfft" attitude agravatted me.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: error8
There are no aftermarket coolers for 4890, now. Even if the mounting holes for the GPU, are the same as for 4870, you have nothing to install on the VRMs and don't think about putting just some crappy little ram heatsinks on them, because it's not gonna work.

And I don't understand what you are saying. The fan profiles that comes with the card, implies the fan to spin at 70-100%, or you're forcing the fan to spin that fast? I know someone who has a Powercolor 4890 and the fan never gets over 38% under load.

pffft... slapping as you say "crappy little heat sinks on them" will work just fine as long as the case has good air flow. That AC cooler with a good (120mm) fan and sinks on the VRMs will probably keep the VRMs a lot cooler than the stock sink would. Most aftermarket coolers only cool the GPU and use "crappy little heat sinks" to cool the RAM and VRMs. With the 4870 and 4890 being so alike I'm sure using a cooler compatible with the 4870 on a 4890 would work just fine. Both of the coolers I listed were out long before the 4870 was ever on the market and it is compatible with it so it's not like they were made for the 4870. They just made sure it fits and cooled well enough to call it compatible. I don't know about the AC cooler but that zalman does come with it's own RAM sinks and I use them to cool VRMs on a 8800gt and they work just fine. 4th I'm done so save your breath.

I have never used these but it looks like a good deal

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835185083

The sad thing is that you have no idea about what you are talking about. Please , make a large google search about people that used the Accelero S1 with the crappy little heatsinks onto the vrms, on a 4870 and see what are they reporting: VRM temps in excess of 120 C. And it's not a problem of airflow, it's a problem of large heat exchange surface, something that the crappy little heatsinks lack. It has been discussed here on these forums 1000 times already about this problem and yet you never heard of it and you want to sound as a big aftermarket cooler expert. Next time, search more about the things you believe are facts, before putting them onto a forum and giving someone a very bad advice about hardware modifications.

.I can give you a lot of examples like this if you like - 4870 water cooled reaching 126 C on vrms with "crappy little heatsinks on them".

I also have a thread on these forums, where I got 95 C VRM in ATi tool, after just a couple of seconds, with the S1 with 2X120 fans onto it and some of those fantastic little heatsinks,on a 4870.

1st calm down! 2nd I do not claim to be anything. 3rd I didn't see anything on that XS link you gave saying anyone was crashing or having instability issues do to VRM temps around 120ish. All they said was temps on some were getting to 126c and one poster even said it could be a miss read because it was not hot to the touch. There are plenty of RAM/VRM sink kits out there some beefier than others. Either moving the 120mm fan a bit off center towards the VRMs would help get more airflow on them or strapping 2 fans on there if possible. Either way IMO it will work fine.

If it's not hot to the touch that means it's not getting doing a good job cooling.