4850 VS 4870 VS 9800GTX+

[Chilli911]

hey all,

trying to decide between these video cards leaning towards 4850 but is it the best for the price or is it worth the extra to get a 4870.

Also out of Saphhire Gigabyte and asus who is the best ATI manufacturer in australlia im kinda limited with my options which sucks,

Thanks for your help guys

 

[apoppin]

Tell us about your PC and what resolution you game at.

i got a 4870 =P
i game at 19x12 so i need a faster card and i expect to add a 4870x2 for an X3 solution.

i'd suggest that you get the cheapest, keeping in mind the warranty [and remember that Sapphire adds and extra $15 for an "application fee" for USA customers that need a RMA]

 

[Chilli911]

whoah totally forgot to add specs,

well it would get a p5q-e mother, 4gig ddr2 6400 ram, q9450 cpu, corsair 620hx PSU

I have a samsung 2493hm montitor i think runs at 1900*1200 res native.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: Chilli911
hey all,

trying to decide between these video cards leaning towards 4850 but is it the best for the price or is it worth the extra to get a 4870.

Also out of Saphhire Gigabyte and asus who is the best ATI manufacturer in australlia im kinda limited with my options which sucks,

Thanks for your help guys

Where are you buying from in Oz? Theres plenty of options I have found Pccasegear and Umart to be some of the best stores downunder. It largely does not matter which manufacturer you buy since they are usually all the same in terms of warranty and cards (reference design). Although if you want to narrow it down I have had good experiences with HIS and Gecube cards in the past that have both taken a beating so you might want to try them .

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Chilli911
whoah totally forgot to add specs,

well it would get a p5q-e mother, 4gig ddr2 6400 ram, q9450 cpu, corsair 620hx PSU

I have a samsung 2493hm montitor i think runs at 1900*1200 res native.

4870 is going to give you the best chance to run with everything maxed; the others fall short. Even 1-4870 is not enough for me

 

[octopus41092]

4870 > 4850 > 9800+. Get VisionTek if possible for the HD4870

 

[Chilli911]

well i would either buy from MSY and CPL, i reckon both in melbounre and i dont wanna buy online

 

[Wreckage]

Why not get a GTX260? Performs about the same as a 4870 plus you get Physx support which is looking really impressive lately.

 

[JPB]

Yea, you do get Physx. But you dont get HDMI and audio that the 4870 has.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: JPB
Yea, you do get Physx. But you dont get HDMI and audio that the 4870 has.

Is he building an HTPC and has a HDMI capable receiver? Otherwise that function is useless.

 

[Chilli911]

HDMI would be cool coz the monitor does support it.

It seems in Aus the gtx260 is about $350 with the 4870 about $320

so it is tempting to go gtx260

but i think i might be spending too much

 

[Sylvanas]

The 4870 still outperforms the GTX260 in the majority of cases anyway so it is still a better buy. For your resolution it is the best choice- out of Sapphire, Giga and Asus they are all reference design and it doesn't matter which you pick, just get the cheapest.

 

[bryanW1995]

get gigabyte or asus, sapphire rma sucks as mentioned, plus their mir's suck, too. I would pay $5-$10 more for anything OTHER THAN sapphire. unfortunately for me, the 4850 sapphire was $15 cheaper than all the others when I bought :|

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: octopus41092
4870 > 4850 > 9800+. Get VisionTek if possible for the HD4870

Just remember Visiontek is not available in a lot of countries,yes the lifetime warranty is nice on the Visiontek if you can get it ,depending where he lives choices might be limited.


I had choices between Asus,MSI,Gigabyte,GeCube,PowerColor,Sapphire,Gainward,Connect3D,in the end I went with Gigabyte 4870 card ,mainly because it had decent warranty and also had a very competitive price(plus I like to try different brands now and then).

The Asus model has a nice fan speed adustment software included.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Why not get a GTX260? Performs about the same as a 4870 plus you get Physx support which is looking really impressive lately.

The 4870's overall performance is much closer to a GTX280 than a GTX260. I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince people otherwise. And widespread adoption of PhysX is a LONG way off, if it's going to happen at all.

As far as the OP's question, the 4870 will probably serve your needs best at 1920x1200.

 

[Hidden Hippo]

If the Australian market is anything like the UK one - the XFX GTX260 XXX can be had for £215 and according to reviews performs a little better than the HD4870, even though that is still a very good bang for buck card. For a 10% clockspeed incrase (on average) there is a 5% price increase over the EVGA stock version of the card. However, it does cost around £30 more than the HD4870 (about 16% increase) but only gets an extra couple of FPS over the stock speed HD4870.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Why not get a GTX260? Performs about the same as a 4870 plus you get Physx support which is looking really impressive lately.

The 4870's overall performance is much closer to a GTX280 than a GTX260. I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince people otherwise. And widespread adoption of PhysX is a LONG way off, if it's going to happen at all.

As far as the OP's question, the 4870 will probably serve your needs best at 1920x1200.

Two FUD statements in a single post. Why?

The GTX260 and HD4870 are overall dead even with each other. Some games favor the 4870 (Assassins Creed, Bioshock, CoD4) and some favor the GTX260 (Oblivion, Witcher, Crysis) and some games they are dead even giving one or the other 1 or 2 fps.
These two cards are very comparable with each other, and the GTX260 can often be found cheaper. But both, are very good cards.

Next

There will be 10 Physx title releases before years end, and about 50 titles supporting Physx over the course of 2009.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Hidden Hippo
If the Australian arket is anything like the UK one - the XFX GTX260 XXX can be had for £215 and according toreview performs noticably better than the HD4870, even though that is still a very good bang for buck card. For a 10% clockspeed incrase (on average) there is a 5% price increase over the EVGA stock version of the card.

Prices vary between countries as always,however when I got my 4870 card local in the UK back in June it was £172,thats was even before the GTX 260 price drops,now you can get 1GB 4870 card for £210 with free delivery, The PowerColor 512mb 4870 overclocked version is only 194 quid link.
So 260 is still not a great buy,its decent however,I guess it depends on what you are looking for.
Average price for 4870 in UK is about 175 -180 quid now .


One important thing make sure the 260 will fit on your motherboard,in my case it won't ,it blocks one of my IDE cables that I use for my DVD drives due to its length,thankfully the 4870 was just about ok.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Why not get a GTX260? Performs about the same as a 4870 plus you get Physx support which is looking really impressive lately.

The 4870's overall performance is much closer to a GTX280 than a GTX260. I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince people otherwise. And widespread adoption of PhysX is a LONG way off, if it's going to happen at all.

As far as the OP's question, the 4870 will probably serve your needs best at 1920x1200.

Two FUD statements in a single post. Why?

The GTX260 and HD4870 are overall dead even with each other. Some games favor the 4870 (Assassins Creed, Bioshock, CoD4) and some favor the GTX260 (Oblivion, Witcher, Crysis) and some games they are dead even giving one or the other 1 or 2 fps.
These two cards are very comparable with each other, and the GTX260 can often be found cheaper. But both, are very good cards.

Next

There will be 10 Physx title releases before years end, and about 50 titles supporting Physx over the course of 2009.

i didn't see the OP mention Nvidia as a choice anywhere



4850 VS 4870 VS 9800GTX+

in his case, 4870 is the choice

gt260 would be an alternative he did not ask about until Wreckage tried to sell one to him

 

[MarcVenice]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Why not get a GTX260? Performs about the same as a 4870 plus you get Physx support which is looking really impressive lately.

The 4870's overall performance is much closer to a GTX280 than a GTX260. I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince people otherwise. And widespread adoption of PhysX is a LONG way off, if it's going to happen at all.

As far as the OP's question, the 4870 will probably serve your needs best at 1920x1200.

Two FUD statements in a single post. Why?

The GTX260 and HD4870 are overall dead even with each other. Some games favor the 4870 (Assassins Creed, Bioshock, CoD4) and some favor the GTX260 (Oblivion, Witcher, Crysis) and some games they are dead even giving one or the other 1 or 2 fps.
These two cards are very comparable with each other, and the GTX260 can often be found cheaper. But both, are very good cards.

Next

There will be 10 Physx title releases before years end, and about 50 titles supporting Physx over the course of 2009.

Keys keys keys, don't respond to FUD with more FUD. The GTX260 and HD4870 are NOT dead even. Out of AT's benchmarking I made this list:

Crysis, 4870 > gtx260

CoD4, 4870 > gtx260 equal at 2560*1600 though !!!

Et: QW, 4870 > gtx260 equal at 2560*1600 though !!!

AC, 4870 > gtx260

Witcher 4870 = gtx260

BS 4870 >> gtx260 LOTS faster

Oblivion 4870 =< GTX260 Only at 2560*1600 does the gtx260 become noticably faster

AoC 4870 > GTX260

GRID 4870 > GTX260

So in Crysis, the HD4870 is faster. In the Witcher they are pretty much dead even, and in Oblivion the GTX260 pulls ahead only at 2560*1600. In all other games the HD4870 is SIGNIFICANTLY faster, and not dead even. In his country the HD4870 is cheaper by what it looks to be roughly 10%. That makes a HD4870 the better choice, by far.

AND, define physx titles? Titles with singleplayer in it that will have groundbreaking physics, which won't run on ati cards because it will be to slow? Or just a nifty level here and there, just like in UT3? NAME any tripple A title that will REQUIRE nvidia's physx to be run on the videocard, or the game will run like crap. Not just any title that uses physx, like WiC uses physx, but software emulated, and still runs fine on any videocard.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Why not get a GTX260? Performs about the same as a 4870 plus you get Physx support which is looking really impressive lately.

The 4870's overall performance is much closer to a GTX280 than a GTX260. I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince people otherwise. And widespread adoption of PhysX is a LONG way off, if it's going to happen at all.

As far as the OP's question, the 4870 will probably serve your needs best at 1920x1200.

Two FUD statements in a single post. Why?

The GTX260 and HD4870 are overall dead even with each other. Some games favor the 4870 (Assassins Creed, Bioshock, CoD4) and some favor the GTX260 (Oblivion, Witcher, Crysis) and some games they are dead even giving one or the other 1 or 2 fps.
These two cards are very comparable with each other, and the GTX260 can often be found cheaper. But both, are very good cards.

Next

There will be 10 Physx title releases before years end, and about 50 titles supporting Physx over the course of 2009.

i didn't see the OP mention Nvidia as a choice anywhere



4850 VS 4870 VS 9800GTX+ <---------- Looks like he did mention Nvidia.

in his case, 4870 is the choice

gt260 would be an alternative he did not ask about until Wreckage tried to sell one to him

Oh, I see. Forget what I said then, and pretend the GTX260 doesn't exist. My bad.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin

i didn't see the OP mention Nvidia as a choice anywhere


4850 VS 4870 VS 9800GTX+

in his case, 4870 is the choice

gt260 would be an alternative he did not ask about until Wreckage tried to sell one to him

Poppy you been away too long the 9800GTX+ is made by NVIDIA. :laugh:

That's why I mentioned the GTX260. Similar performance as the 4870 but with PhysX on top.

Plus he could get a nice EVGA one with HDMI and overclock the crap outta it without voiding the warranty.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: apoppin

i didn't see the OP mention Nvidia as a choice anywhere


4850 VS 4870 VS 9800GTX+

in his case, 4870 is the choice

gt260 would be an alternative he did not ask about until Wreckage tried to sell one to him

Poppy you been away too long the 9800GTX+ is made by NVIDIA. :laugh:

That's why I mentioned the GTX260. Similar performance as the 4870 but with PhysX on top.

Plus he could get a nice EVGA one with HDMI and overclock the crap outta it without voiding the warranty.

i have been working on my own Tech site .. it is up next month
:heart:

9800GTX is a FarCry from GT260

You can also buy a Sapphire HD4870 and O/C the crap outta it without voiding ANY warranty
-They encourage it now ,,, right on the box

Nvidia needs to pay some of you a commission ... a highly O/C'd GT260 IS a nice card ..
:laugh:

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Why not get a GTX260? Performs about the same as a 4870 plus you get Physx support which is looking really impressive lately.

The 4870's overall performance is much closer to a GTX280 than a GTX260. I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince people otherwise. And widespread adoption of PhysX is a LONG way off, if it's going to happen at all.

As far as the OP's question, the 4870 will probably serve your needs best at 1920x1200.

Two FUD statements in a single post. Why?

The GTX260 and HD4870 are overall dead even with each other. Some games favor the 4870 (Assassins Creed, Bioshock, CoD4) and some favor the GTX260 (Oblivion, Witcher, Crysis) and some games they are dead even giving one or the other 1 or 2 fps.
These two cards are very comparable with each other, and the GTX260 can often be found cheaper. But both, are very good cards.

Next

There will be 10 Physx title releases before years end, and about 50 titles supporting Physx over the course of 2009.

FUD? Excuse me? I could ask you why you are spreading FUD about the 4870.

At 1920x1200, the 4870 performs right around GTX280 levels. So unless a 260 is somehow just as fast as a 280, then the 4870 is a better choice.

http://www.overclockersclub.co...ews/powercolor_hd4870/

Crysis
4870 - 41 fps
GTX280 - 39 fps

Knights of the Sea
4870 - 41 fps
GTX280 - 39 fps

BioShock
4870 - 102 fps
GTX280 - 104 fps

Call of Duty 4
4870 - 79 fps
GTX280 - 109 fps

World in Conflict
4870 - 34 fps
GTX280 - 38 fps

Call of Juarez
4870 - 34 fps
GTX280 - 31 fps

Company of Heroes : Opposing Fronts
4870 - 36 fps
GTX280 - 49 fps


So with the exception of CoH and CoD, a stock 4870 performed nearly identical to the GTX280. Sometimes a few frames faster, sometimes a few slower. But damn close.

As far as the PhysX thing goes, it's a neat idea and I do hope that physics processing does become popular. I would greatly enjoy to see more realism in games. But as of right now, Nvidia PhysX is nothing but a tech demo. There is no guarantee that Nvidia PhysX is going to be any more popular than Ageia PhysX was. There MIGHT be 10 titles by the end of the year and there MIGHT be 50 titles by the end of 2009. You can hardly use PhysX as a rock-solid reason to purchase an Nvidia card over an ATI card when it hasn't even been released yet.

Fact is, for PhysX to succeed the software industry will need to see broad support spread out over all vendors. In roughly 18 months DirectX 11 will be released. And that's where everything will change for sure as it'll introduce a new shader; Compute Shaders. Can you already guess what that is? Until that time-frame, game developers who will support GeForce PhysX will likely do this in a very limited quantity. Hey -- additional programming eats up resources, and since developing a good game these days already can cost 40 million USD, it will be a challenge for NVIDIA to get that message across.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/physx-by-nvidia-review/8

 

[apoppin]

Oh, I see. Forget what I said then, and pretend the GTX260 doesn't exist. My bad.

RotFL

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